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help: a odd one here..any ideas?

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Hi guys- Im new and ive been reading the website through interest of late as I consider myself a bit of a player as I enjoying meeting /dating lots of women...

However one girl i met over the summer through a street approach has turned odd/sour.

She's simply a stunning tall blonde i just had to approach and used a direct line and she agreed that we could meet up.

First meet she was all over me, it was kinda unexpected (usually girls are more standoffish than this) kino'ing me at every point, admiring the fact i know other women (she asked plenty of questions like 'when was the last time i had sex/had a date') etc..i was kinda open. We had lots of french kissing and stuff, on the way back home (i walked her half way as she didnt seem to want me to walk her al the way).

Since then she flaked out the very last minutes on a number of arranged meets. always left a message 'dont be angry blah blah but *add any bull excuse you like* came up etc..i thought i'd play it cool and say, 'no worries, im off to meet a 'friend' instead', that i thought had the right attitude.

Eventually meet two, she validates herself alot by saying guys hit on her left right and centre in clubs and stuff (this is true, im sure some group of people hit on her whilst i went to the gents also) and says crazy stuff like 'am i boring you?' 'do you like me?' 'would you be possesive in a relationship with me'?constantly..very odd i thought for a babe validating herself, but i enjoyed it anyway. The way back home again i only walk her so far but this time no french kidding only lips so i get upse and leave i dont say anything about a future meet..again all seems to be going ok.

Pattern continues with flakes on further meets, then eventually i see a string of other girls so dont contact her for a week.and when i finally do the troubles happen.....

-she put the phone down on me-

I dont think of it much but call her the next day, 2 missed calls and no return call by her (usually she was good at getting back to me and stuff, this is different) Still no reply, and i keep calling over the next few days (ok maybe bad move and I am losing my cool i know) I even left a message saying i dont tolerate this crap and goodbye..no reply to that..

eventually when i get through she acts kinda nice..says 'something terrible has happened, cant speak to you about it', when i probe her she doesnt answer, she then says i'll call you next day and stuff..she doesnt

i again call her, and again she either doesnt pick it up or cuts me off (getting bad eh guys?)

when i get through next time she still has the same excuse, so i finally say 'listen do you want to meet up again or not?' she says 'yes!' quite enthusiastically, but then says she'll call me sometime, and that ive called too much of late (true)

this was a few days ago, any ideas how to proceed? I'm not used to this really since i played it pretty well early on and the signals seemed to be good. yes i might have to move on, but i'd like to continue it if possible without resorting to turning into a chump.

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i keep calling over the next few days (ok maybe bad move and I am losing my cool i know) I even left a message saying i dont tolerate this crap and goodbye..no reply to that..

eventually when i get through she acts kinda nice..
Which means you kept calling even after you set your foot down. If you really thought about it, you know that the very next time you called, you blew yourself out of the water.

Hate to say it bud, but Next. You already screwed the pooch.
 

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Yup, i knew i made that mistake, but that wasnt the turning point really. She acted funny a few days before with putting the phone down on me out of the blue.

1 week she wanted to meet up and called, the next she hangs up , hehe.

Just wondering if i can salvage anything from this situation. I do like her. Perhaps I dont expect her to call (has anyone been flaked like this and she comes good?) and give her a final call in a week or so?
 

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there are probably ways to salvage the situation, but if she's giving you this much s.hit now, then imagine the kind she has in store for the future...

i have a friend like this, i just stopped calling her and get on with my life, and then she ends up calling me. you know the advice... GFTOW (go f.uck ten other women) and see if you feel the same about her...

i know it's really hard to break away when a girl that hot shows interest, but trust me, there will be more, who don't give you crap. for all the time you spend trying to salvage something with her (you've had two dates, not a relationship even), you could be meeting someone hotter, who's really into you, and who won't play games.

think on it.
 

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Yes, thing is, I've spent all week with other women. I guess you can call it oneitis though :)

Why the overwhelming interest then this ****? is what bugs me. Maybe being a DJ has its negative aspects or perhaps it was a big test/game test I didnt pass.

Anyway I'll her her a call in the future and see whats what.
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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You HAVE called too much of late.

You panicked, dude. Maybe she DID have a legitimate reason for not answering/calling back.

She was WAY into you. The qualifying (talking about her other boys), the "do you like me" stuff...and you dumped it by becoming desperate when she didn't pick up the phone. You blew your cover. :p

Shoulda been just like, "let's hang out again. Call me when you get this." And left it at that. Maybe call back again in a week.

At least she told you what you were doing wrong and didn't just give you a BS excuse. ;)
 

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if a girl flakes on you so much it is a fact she does not like you, yet when you describe your dates she seems really in to you. The questions she asked, trying to validate her self and all that shows she is really in to it, as for the flaking on you, although that would genrally mena she does not like you could it be she has a very busy life, because going by the dates i would say she is really in to you!
 

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Yes, thats the way i see it.

Reading through the post entititled 'Way of the Attention Seekers' is quite interesting. It seems to fit her. The fact she was very receptive for a babe then suddenly acted indifferent. Could she be one?

I'll give her a call in the weekend, we'll see if she is still has the same avoiding me pattern.

The reason this has interested me, as I mentioned in my first post was she thinks/knows I'm a player and this interested her. And she claimed to be dating other guys aswell. So why the change of attitude, or is it advanced minds games by her to really test me I wonder.
 

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yeah man
u called her way too much

oh well, next her and go on
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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