i read and hear so much debate on this one. on various dates ive mixed it up and dont believe for it to be a big deal either way. one specific date i was playing it safe and went for the kiss but not french, but she did go for the french, and after that never heard from her again and wonder if she might have felt like a slut doing so, and maybe i should have went for the french, though her going for the french could be totaly irrelevant about not talking to me anymore. these days im kinda feeling if the chemistry is there be a man and make the romance follow through and go for the french, were men and spose to be bit more on the agrresive side and shouldnt worry about being slightly over aggresive atleast in this scenerio. your thoughts?
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
going for a french kiss on 1st date?
- Thread starter whosthat
- Start date
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
With some women the French kiss is the most intimate of all, so there is no timetable for when they give up the tongue. Never force it. Just non-French kiss and go as slowly as possible. If either party jams their tongue in the others throat it's a total turn-off. You're not Gene Simmons. People want a French kiss, not the band Kiss.
Naughty Ninja
Banned
Like Bigneil said you want to go slow.
Make sure your breath is fresh. If you're out and drinking/eating make sure you drink a glass of ice water last to cleanse the palate as well as keeping some good mints or gum handy.
Start by kissing her softly and teasingly and keep your hand on the small of her back, you can lightly caress her back up and down but keeping your hand open and firm. (Chicks like feeling a strong hand gently caress their back while being kissed if you're not sitting in a car.)
Gently run your fingers through her hair and tell her how good it smells. Then GENTLY but firmly on the nape of her neck grab a fistfull of her hair (gently) and hold it while controlling her head and lightly and teasingly using your tounge on hers. Try not to get sloppy or too wet where you have to wipe your mouth or her hers. Always finish the kiss first teasingly and look into her eyes. Chicks love it.
Make sure your breath is fresh. If you're out and drinking/eating make sure you drink a glass of ice water last to cleanse the palate as well as keeping some good mints or gum handy.
Start by kissing her softly and teasingly and keep your hand on the small of her back, you can lightly caress her back up and down but keeping your hand open and firm. (Chicks like feeling a strong hand gently caress their back while being kissed if you're not sitting in a car.)
Gently run your fingers through her hair and tell her how good it smells. Then GENTLY but firmly on the nape of her neck grab a fistfull of her hair (gently) and hold it while controlling her head and lightly and teasingly using your tounge on hers. Try not to get sloppy or too wet where you have to wipe your mouth or her hers. Always finish the kiss first teasingly and look into her eyes. Chicks love it.