"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Girl with boyfriend, woman logic?

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Was staying over at a female friends house the other night, her (more attractive) friend was there too who I hadn't seen for a couple of years. We chatted and she commented on my arms and how different I looked. I gradually increased kino and she did the same, we ended up under the covers with her wrapped around me and me tickling her back and hair, she gave me a massage with my t shirt off and told me how massive my back is after. Back in the bed and she talks about her small ass and didn't mind when i checked, she just said 'it is pretty small right?' so I escalated a little more and went from the back to her stomach and legs and finally the titties, after a couple minutes she said 'you're massaging my boobs now then?' I asked if thats a problem and she said 'well I have a boyfriend don't I?'. At this point im thinking, and everything prior to that was perfectly fine for a girl with a boyfriend to do? I dunno about you guys but I wouldn't have even wanted my girlfriend in the bed. She still initiated conversation with me a couple times when I stopped paying attention later and spoke to her friend instead, and came and lay next to me again, but before that it did seem like she was making it a point to lie on the other side of the bed from me for whatever reason. Seems like I have a lot to learn about woman logic :eek:
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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JimRustle said:
Was staying over at a female friends house the other night, her (more attractive) friend was there too who I hadn't seen for a couple of years. We chatted and she commented on my arms and how different I looked. I gradually increased kino and she did the same, we ended up under the covers with her wrapped around me and me tickling her back and hair, she gave me a massage with my t shirt off and told me how massive my back is after. Back in the bed and she talks about her small ass and didn't mind when i checked, she just said 'it is pretty small right?' so I escalated a little more and went from the back to her stomach and legs and finally the titties, after a couple minutes she said 'you're massaging my boobs now then?' I asked if thats a problem and she said 'well I have a boyfriend don't I?'. At this point im thinking, and everything prior to that was perfectly fine for a girl with a boyfriend to do? I dunno about you guys but I wouldn't have even wanted my girlfriend in the bed. She still initiated conversation with me a couple times when I stopped paying attention later and spoke to her friend instead, and came and lay next to me again, but before that it did seem like she was making it a point to lie on the other side of the bed from me for whatever reason. Seems like I have a lot to learn about woman logic :eek:
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yeh they dont have any logic - she's clearly quite a promiscuous girl - she only said that so she had plausible deniability - so that it would have been "your fault" for carrying on - since "you knew and didnt stop". It was her way of giving you some responsibility - she prob would have let you take it further - clearly what you did before that wasn't cool for her bf - if she was willing to do that she prob would have gone all the way despite bf - clearly not quality
 
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tomato said:
yeh they dont have any logic - she's clearly quite a promiscuous girl - she only said that so she had plausible deniability - so that it would have been "your fault" for carrying on - since "you knew and didnt stop". It was her way of giving you some responsibility - she prob would have let you take it further - clearly what you did before that wasn't cool for her bf - if she was willing to do that she prob would have gone all the way despite bf - clearly not quality
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I understand what you're saying, can you explain 'plausible deniability' though? What would you have suggested to do differently? She definitely isn't a quality girl but it wasn't quality that I was looking for that night lol. thanks
 
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didn't see the need to clutter up the forum with my next question

couple of days ago, a girl that has mutual friends with me but i've never spoken to started a chat on facebook with some random line about bringing her tea at 1am for a £1, i played along and said she has a deal for £1.50 blah blah everything ok, closed with a number and she asked me to text her the next morning, i didnt until the next evening. i noticed she mimicked how long i take to reply, if it was 10 minutes then she waited 10 minutes, if it was 30 minutes then she did too etc, she texted me last night asking when im free to come over and i didnt reply till today, 8 hours later and no replies. no big deal but im still interested in learning from different situations
 
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JimRustle said:
I understand what you're saying, can you explain 'plausible deniability' though? What would you have suggested to do differently? She definitely isn't a quality girl but it wasn't quality that I was looking for that night lol. thanks
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The only thing you had to do differently was keep escalating.

I mean, think about it, your hands are on her tits and she's cool with it. The word "boyfriend" didnt mean anything to her throughout this whole ordeal.

I've been in that situation before, and all I did was keep my mouth shut. I didn't ask questions about the boyfriend, I didnt ask "is this okay?", I just relied on the girl to tell me if it was REALLY going to far.....and of course it wasn't.

These girls want you to be the man. They want you to take what you want without asking. If anything is not okay, they'll let you know. Don't reject yourself. They'll do it for you.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Iceberg said:
The only thing you had to do differently was keep escalating.

I mean, think about it, your hands are on her tits and she's cool with it. The word "boyfriend" didnt mean anything to her throughout this whole ordeal.

I've been in that situation before, and all I did was keep my mouth shut. I didn't ask questions about the boyfriend, I didnt ask "is this okay?", I just relied on the girl to tell me if it was REALLY going to far.....and of course it wasn't.

These girls want you to be the man. They want you to take what you want without asking. If anything is not okay, they'll let you know. Don't reject yourself. They'll do it for you.
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the problem is in this day and age a girl can have a one night stand such as this, regret it the next morning, go to the local police station by lunchtime and cry "rape" and then the tables are turned from her being a hoe to some mean guy took advantage of her and now his life is ruined. it's one thing to be aggressive with women, but in the back of your mind you can't help but think about all the cases you've heard about women that cry rape, whether it's proven or not the damage to the man's rep is already done. so yeah, if girls want men to be "more aggressive and take what we want without asking" then quit crying rape all the time. can't have it both ways. I bet that's why the OP even asked her "if this was ok?" in the first place. at least he would have had SOMETHING to fall back on had this gal had a change of heart the next morning, or when her boyfriend found out.
 
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i have in the past like a lot of people had a fear about being perceived as a creep and that's something i'm shedding, but when i was massaging the teddies and she said so you're massaging by boobs now? it kinda threw me and i said is that a problem? thanks for your guys insight though, i couldn't edit my original post so any comments on the later one i wrote would be appreciated too
 
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