"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Girl with Boyfriend Showed Serious Interest, Hooked Up, But Now Keeps Doubting

MrNiceGuy23

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Alright this may be long I'm not sure yet I'll try to keep it as short as possible.

I'm a college sophomore to start, as is this girl. So I've known this girl for over 1.5 years now. We were friends but during the past 6 months we've become really close and we consider each other our best friend. We always had a flirty friendship but I kept my distance knowing she had a boyfriend of 2 years now.

About 6 weeks ago though things started getting way more physical (we'd wrestle a lot, constantly have our hands on each other, etc) and I ended up staying over her place twice (we slept together but we didn't do anything besides cuddle, hold hands etc). We actually didn't really sleep either time we just stayed up talking to each other.

I asked her what was going on and she said she wanted to stay with her boyfriend etc but I kept pushing the limit. I kissed her one night and we ended up hooking up for a few minutes but she stopped herself. She again said she wanted her boyfriend (he goes to school about 6 hours away). We proceeded to hook up again for the entire night (she was topless) and kept telling me she wanted me she wish she met me first etc, but the next day she again said she wanted her boyfriend.

So I told her off we didn't talk for a week until she came to me and said she wasn't sure what she wanted. She eventually admitted she wanted to date me and told me she'd tell her boyfriend she wanted to break up or at the very least wanted a break. We hooked up again that night. The next few days were awkward and it turns out she told him everything but he must have said something (I'm guessing he badmouthed me) and she told me she wanted him and was staying with him.

We didn't talk for a week again and it was very awkward but we're back to flirting with each other again (she tells me I'm one of the sexiest men she knows, I'm charming, funny, etc) and we've talked about what happened between us and I can feel tension there.

I really like her but I'm not sure where to go from here. She said she didn't want to put me through this anymore but it seems like it's happening. Her boyfriend comes home in about a week so I don't have much time. Any thoughts?
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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What a princess you got there, NOT. You are enabling this chick, cut it out.
 

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^^^Who of course is in another castle.

Judge nismo on the case.

MrNiceGuy23 said:
Alright this may be long I'm not sure yet I'll try to keep it as short as possible.

I'm reviewing this case with the evidence provided and from what I see.

I'm a college sophomore to start, as is this girl. So I've known this girl for over 1.5 years now. We were friends but during the past 6 months we've become really close and we consider each other our best friend. We always had a flirty friendship but I kept my distance knowing she had a boyfriend of 2 years now.

Were you spinning more plates in this time frame? Were you being sexual? If not, you need to do so. Don't accept friendship from a woman. Don't be a woman with a penis.

About 6 weeks ago though things started getting way more physical (we'd wrestle a lot, constantly have our hands on each other, etc) and I ended up staying over her place twice (we slept together but we didn't do anything besides cuddle, hold hands etc). We actually didn't really sleep either time we just stayed up talking to each other.

Why didn't you bone her? You had a chance!

I asked her what was going on and she said she wanted to stay with her boyfriend etc but I kept pushing the limit. I kissed her one night and we ended up hooking up for a few minutes but she stopped herself. She again said she wanted her boyfriend (he goes to school about 6 hours away). We proceeded to hook up again for the entire night (she was topless) and kept telling me she wanted me she wish she met me first etc, but the next day she again said she wanted her boyfriend.

She doesn't see you as a lover.

So I told her off we didn't talk for a week until she came to me and said she wasn't sure what she wanted. She eventually admitted she wanted to date me and told me she'd tell her boyfriend she wanted to break up or at the very least wanted a break. We hooked up again that night. The next few days were awkward and it turns out she told him everything but he must have said something (I'm guessing he badmouthed me) and she told me she wanted him and was staying with him.

He was in the picture longer than you. He saw the girl start getting distant. So he stepped up his game. Remember that all women have another man in the picture somewhere. You always need to keep attraction up.

We didn't talk for a week again and it was very awkward but we're back to flirting with each other again (she tells me I'm one of the sexiest men she knows, I'm charming, funny, etc) and we've talked about what happened between us and I can feel tension there.

Don't feed this attention wh0re. What women say and do are lightyears apart. Always judge by actions. I've done it. They all show no good that is for you. Don't be so available. Don't let a woman think she can have you.

I really like her but I'm not sure where to go from here. She said she didn't want to put me through this anymore but it seems like it's happening. Her boyfriend comes home in about a week so I don't have much time. Any thoughts?

You should have been sexual when you slept with her and because you was a wuss, your princess is in another castle. If this girl wanted you, she would have found a way to get you. Didn't happen. Sorry. :(
Read between the lines.

You are guilty of failure to be sexual, failure to spin plates, overanalyzation, and hanging on a string. The fine is 2 blue balls, 1 stressed mind, and a trip to Friendsonly River, Mississippi. Spinning more plates, letting this girl go, and upgrading yourself is the best thing right now that is for you. :yes: So ordered.

Case closed.
 

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Sounds similar to one of my situations, except I banged this girl and told her not to leave her boyfriend for me, cause I would never be hers so she'd be wasting her time. Ironically she left her bf for me, but I didn't want any part of that anymore, cause for one she'd make a lousy girlfriend (banging me while in a LTR.. major red flag), I'm not looking for a LTR at the moment, and frankly the chick wasn't all that great in bed.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Duly noted, I didn't bang her because my moral conscience stepped in and I didn't want to be a bigger **** than I was already being. Whenever I ignore her and stop talking to her she ends up admitting she's more confused about what she wants and she misses me.
 

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The problem is, she's every man's worst nightmare, and you're every man's worst nightmare. You two are so alike, you'll never pvssy hike.
 

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MrNiceGuy23 said:
Alright this may be long I'm not sure yet I'll try to keep it as short as possible.

I'm a college sophomore to start, as is this girl. So I've known this girl for over 1.5 years now. We were friends but during the past 6 months we've become really close and we consider each other our best friend. We always had a flirty friendship but I kept my distance knowing she had a boyfriend of 2 years now.

About 6 weeks ago though things started getting way more physical (we'd wrestle a lot, constantly have our hands on each other, etc) and I ended up staying over her place twice (we slept together but we didn't do anything besides cuddle, hold hands etc). We actually didn't really sleep either time we just stayed up talking to each other.

I asked her what was going on and she said she wanted to stay with her boyfriend etc but I kept pushing the limit. I kissed her one night and we ended up hooking up for a few minutes but she stopped herself. She again said she wanted her boyfriend (he goes to school about 6 hours away). We proceeded to hook up again for the entire night (she was topless) and kept telling me she wanted me she wish she met me first etc, but the next day she again said she wanted her boyfriend.

So I told her off we didn't talk for a week until she came to me and said she wasn't sure what she wanted. She eventually admitted she wanted to date me and told me she'd tell her boyfriend she wanted to break up or at the very least wanted a break. We hooked up again that night. The next few days were awkward and it turns out she told him everything but he must have said something (I'm guessing he badmouthed me) and she told me she wanted him and was staying with him.

We didn't talk for a week again and it was very awkward but we're back to flirting with each other again (she tells me I'm one of the sexiest men she knows, I'm charming, funny, etc) and we've talked about what happened between us and I can feel tension there.

I really like her but I'm not sure where to go from here. She said she didn't want to put me through this anymore but it seems like it's happening. Her boyfriend comes home in about a week so I don't have much time. Any thoughts?

Ok. So basically you want this girl and decided to go the 'Bestestest Friend Forever' route to try to get some even though you know she has a boyfriend. Then held hands in bed while she let you get a little feel to hook you.

Then you got all emotional like a 'bff' girlfriend and not eluding an in control confident air about yourself by 'going off' on her and throwing an obvious desperate for sex tantrum signal to her in an effort to pressure her like typical "Mrniceguy BFF's" do.

Three choices.

Either A) Keep yourself, ego, and 'B.F.F' emotions in check at ALL times (girls can pick up on body language and tiny signals) while subtly giving off sexual innuendo/vibes while meeting more girls and living your life for you and becoming seen as a good candidate for a DL fvck buddy (as you are seen as an in control of his thoughts and emotions type of guy who is a natural at this).

B) Continue doing as your doing and then complain about it on here.

or C) Forget the 'BFF' crap period and move on to single girls and forget playing imaginary boyfriend girlfriend with your 'BFF'.
 
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Bumsniff said:
Ok. So basically you want this girl and decided to go the 'Bestestest Friend Forever' route to try to get some even though you know she has a boyfriend. Then held hands in bed while she let you get a little feel to hook you.

Then you got all emotional like a 'bff' girlfriend and not eluding an in control confident air about yourself by 'going off' on her and throwing an obvious desperate for sex tantrum signal to her in an effort to pressure her like typical "Mrniceguy BFF's" do.

Three choices.

Either A) Keep yourself, ego, and 'B.F.F' emotions in check at ALL times (girls can pick up on body language and tiny signals) while subtly giving off sexual innuendo/vibes while meeting more girls and living your life for you and becoming seen as a good candidate for a DL fvck buddy (as you are seen as an in control of his thoughts and emotions type of guy who is a natural at this).

B) Continue doing as your doing and then complain about it on here.

or C) Forget the 'BFF' crap period and move on to single girls and forget playing imaginary boyfriend girlfriend with your 'BFF'.
It's too late. First impressions last.

It's game over for him.

This is why it's imperative to spin more plates.
 

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What is spinning plates?

Just as an update she's been very sexual with me lately and may end her relationship. I don't see myself as his worst nightmare. She flirted with me for over a year but I was seeing someone and knew it was wrong, it's his fault for not keeping his game up which let her wander.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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If she resisted and is now putting herself back in the picture then it seems the BF's revival was short lived and she realises it's you. Just do yourself a favour and step in and whisk her away, that's probably what she's waiting for, a little aggression on your behalf to close the deal. Don't make the same mistake twice be a little forceful this time as Nismo said.
 

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Yeah she said she thought not talking to me would help her forget her feelings but everything came rushing back once we talked the past 2 days.

I think I'll try to hang out with her later in the week and just go for the endgame. She keeps dodging my questions about if she thinks I'm better for her so I think she's afraid to admit her 2 year relationship wasn't as special as she thought.

Thanks for your help everybody, again, what is spinning plates?
 
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