Get off the Dating Apps Now

[CornbreadFed]

There might be enough desperate men but they just can't get a high enough standard of women on to entertain them ( which ironically is what the OP is about )

The men killing it on OLD are pretty boy fvck boys dipping their tails 2-3 smv points below them.

 

[SW15]

The men killing it on OLD are pretty boy fvck boys dipping their tails 2-3 smv points below them.

The precedent of dipping 2-3 SMV points is a dangerous one.

There are many men in the 5.5-7 range on dating apps. If the precedent has been set that women can get around 2 SMV points higher on dating apps, what happens with these men? These 5.5 - 7 range men are less likely to be F boys. Many of them would like a longer term committed relationship, often with the potential of marriage.

Women in the 5.5 -7 range who have used swipe apps for any extended period often become accustomed to having interactions with men 2+ SMV points higher. They don't tend to enjoy being with men near their own SMV. That's why Rollo has said numerous times that average tier women aren't interested in average tier men.

Online dating websites and dating apps are a major contributing factor to why Rollo has made the observation that he has made.

 

[CornbreadFed]

The precedent of dipping 2-3 SMV points is a dangerous one.

There are many men in the 5.5-7 range on dating apps. If the precedent has been set that women can get around 2 SMV points higher on dating apps, what happens with these men? These 5.5 - 7 range men are less likely to be F boys. Many of them would like a longer term committed relationship, often with the potential of marriage.

Women in the 5.5 -7 range who have used swipe apps for any extended period often become accustomed to having interactions with men 2+ SMV points higher. They don't tend to enjoy being with men near their own SMV. That's why Rollo has said numerous times that average tier women aren't interested in average tier men.

Online dating websites and dating apps are a major contributing factor to why Rollo has made the observation that he has made.

My friend is an introvert hopeless romantic gym thic extreme homebody (lives with parents) asian girl and she shows and tells me the guys that she is messaging and actually meeting up with. The average man doesn't stand a chance.

 

[SW15]

My friend is an introvert hopeless romantic gym thic extreme homebody (lives with parents) asian girl and she shows and tells me the guys that she is messaging and actually meeting up with. The average man doesn't stand a chance.

Is she messaging with top guys? Is she going over to their place for casual sex and then it is over?

 

[CornbreadFed]

Is she messaging with top guys? Is she going over to their place for casual sex and then it is over?

Both, she is only meeting up anomaly pretty boy men and obvious Chadwicks/one athlete that looks like Shemar Moore who alpha widowed her.

 

[SW15]

she is only meeting up anomaly pretty boy men and obvious Chadwicks/one athlete that looks like Shemar Moore who alpha widowed her.

She's overweight and lives with her parents. She likes doesn't have a good job either. Although jobs/income matter less for women than men, she doesn't even meet a minimal threshold.

Despite this, she has plenty of options from higher tier men.

My former female friend who was average looking (I rated her a 5) got limited attention in person. She wasn't reclusive. Her job was good enough to live alone. Her day-to-day routine was below average. If she only relied on real life approaches and her social circle to get dates, she might go on a few dates per year. However, with her app presence, she was able to ride the penis carousel. She was pumped and dumped by upper tier men and even a few short term sexual interactions with mid-tier men. She wasn't good in relationships either, as many of her committed relationships didn't last more than a year.

 

[CheekyMonkey101]

The precedent of dipping 2-3 SMV points is a dangerous one.

There are many men in the 5.5-7 range on dating apps. If the precedent has been set that women can get around 2 SMV points higher on dating apps, what happens with these men? These 5.5 - 7 range men are less likely to be F boys. Many of them would like a longer term committed relationship, often with the potential of marriage.

Women in the 5.5 -7 range who have used swipe apps for any extended period often become accustomed to having interactions with men 2+ SMV points higher. They don't tend to enjoy being with men near their own SMV. That's why Rollo has said numerous times that average tier women aren't interested in average tier men.

Online dating websites and dating apps are a major contributing factor to why Rollo has made the observation that he has made.

That's part of my issue, I often go out with women 2 or so points below me from apps. Particularly when I'm having a bit of a dry spell. Unfortunately some of these women even give their "too good for you."

It does mess up the dating dynamic and I have gotten much better in not being so thirsty. But that's the nature of the beast with apps I guess.

Based on my experiences, I'd say I have above average SMV (hundreds/over a thousand Tinder and Hinge matches and likes) but even then getting them to meet up or stand out on dates can be a bit of a challenge.

 

[SW15]

I often go out with women 2 or so points below me from apps. Particularly when I'm having a bit of a dry spell.

It does mess up the dating dynamic and I have gotten much better in not being so thirsty. But that's the nature of the beast with apps I guess.

It's common for men to drop standards to get matches and extended message interactions on dating apps.

It does mess with the dating dynamic.

One of the more difficult things about swipe apps is to have a "one date, no sex, no second date" interaction from them. When I first moved to my current city in the early 2010s, I had a number of those off of dating websites (the tail end of that era before apps launched) and some in the earlier years of apps. I used to get very bothered by them. I did learn how to avoid some of these interactions and even walk away from interactions on my own. I had too many "one date, no sex, no second date" interactions where I offered a 2nd date and my offer was ignored/rejected.

Some men have even had worse experiences on websites/apps than I did. They have struggled to even arrange first dates off of them.

I left apps behind a while ago. I had poor experiences on them and on the websites prior to the app era.

The apps do require a man to be higher tier SMV than I have ever been. It's a threshold that is difficult for most men to meet.

Being something like a 6-7 SMV man isn't that good in this market. The apps are where 6-7 SMV range men would have the worst experiences.

 

[CheekyMonkey101]

It's common for men to drop standards to get matches and extended message interactions on dating apps.

It does mess with the dating dynamic.

One of the more difficult things about swipe apps is to have a "one date, no sex, no second date" interaction from them. When I first moved to my current city in the early 2010s, I had a number of those off of dating websites (the tail end of that era before apps launched) and some in the earlier years of apps. I used to get very bothered by them. I did learn how to avoid some of these interactions and even walk away from interactions on my own. I had too many "one date, no sex, no second date" interactions where I offered a 2nd date and my offer was ignored/rejected.

Some men have even had worse experiences on websites/apps than I did. They have struggled to even arrange first dates off of them.

I left apps behind a while ago. I had poor experiences on them and on the websites prior to the app era.

The apps do require a man to be higher tier SMV than I have ever been.

How do you get over first date rejections or girls not responding? I do get success on them, but the failures seem to stick with me more.

 

[CornbreadFed]

She's overweight and lives with her parents. She likes doesn't have a good job either. Although jobs/income matter less for women than men, she doesn't even meet a minimal threshold.

Despite this, she has plenty of options from higher tier men.

My former female friend who was average looking (I rated her a 5) got limited attention in person. She wasn't reclusive. Her job was good enough to live alone. Her day-to-day routine was below average. If she only relied on real life approaches and her social circle to get dates, she might go on a few dates per year. However, with her app presence, she was able to ride the penis carousel. She was pumped and dumped by upper tier men and even a few short term sexual interactions with mid-tier men. She wasn't good in relationships either, as many of her committed relationships didn't last more than a year.

This sounds exactly like my friend lol, but she is a recluse with no solid friends. She has pair bonding issues, a job that allows her to work from home and not interact with many people, below average day-to-day routine, but is getting pumped and dumped by upper tier men on the apps. I even told her to ditch the apps because they are bad for women too.

 

[Clockwerk50]

That's a good data point.

Same night sex is good from a bar. For the man, he shows up, sees a woman in the flesh, approaches, things go well.

Swipe app arranged dates don't have the same dynamic. I find that more of them are weeknight dates with a 7-8 PM start time. First date sex off of a Tuesday-Wednesday night swipe app arranged date can be challenging.

I think the energy in a lot of venues differs on a Friday-Saturday night at 11:30 PM as compared to Tuesday-Wednesday night at 7:30 PM.

I find another key difference is that with apps, the first meet-up usually feels more like the initial approach, just a "check up" to see if there’s a spark. The second meet-up is where it starts to feel more like a proper first date, and so on and so forth.

Of course, if she invites you straight to her place, as @BPH 101 field report, that’s usually hook up time. For what it’s worth, I don’t really use swipe apps and don’t even have an account.

 

[SW15]

This sounds exactly like my friend lol, but she is a recluse with no solid friends. She has pair bonding issues, a job that allows her to work from home and not interact with many people, below average day-to-day routine, but is getting pumped and dumped by upper tier men on the apps. I even told her to ditch the apps because they are bad for women too.

There are definite similarities between your friend and my former friend.

Both possess pair bonding issues and day-to-day routine issues. My former friend was in a mostly work at home job at the end of our friendship.

My former friend had more married and LTR friends given that she is an earlier Millennial near my age.

Unattached people who are working at home are more likely to be reliant on apps. The best thing that in-person work can do is build real life social connections.

My co-workers were never responsible for introducing me to someone. Over the years, the majority of my female co-workers have been married. I have changed jobs regularly so I've seen multiple different workplaces.

I find another key difference is that with apps, the first meet-up usually feels more like the initial approach, just a "check up" to see if there’s a spark. The second meet-up is where it starts to feel more like a proper first date, and so on and so forth.

I don't want to send messages behind an electronic screen for a "check up". If app arranged first dates feel more like initial approaches, I'd rather just do something in-person first.

How do you get over first date rejections or girls not responding? I do get success on them, but the failures seem to stick with me more.

Increase your own standards and your own SMV. Enhance your own seduction abilities.

In the past, there were times I offered a lot of 2nd dates off of website/app dates when I should not have done that. I had too much of a scarcity mentality. I was taking too many no's. It's better to walk away yourself without even offering a 2nd date.

It can be difficult to screen well for first date prospects behind an electronic screen. I think apps is responsible for a lot of first dates that should never happen.

 

[BPH]

The men killing it on OLD are pretty boy fvck boys dipping their tails 2-3 smv points below them.

This is a pretty accurate statement on the current landscape.

I'm a good-looking guy, but my matches are few and far between, and lays even more so. I'll usually swipe on about 50 women daily on each of the big 3, and it's rare that I'll swipe right on more than 1 or 2 in each.

 

[Clockwerk50]

I don't want to send messages behind an electronic screen for a "check up". If app arranged first dates feel more like initial approaches, I'd rather just do something in-person first.

Just saying, it’s really a matter of perspective. Guys who aren’t into in-person approaches or don’t have a social circle or have a low LMSP rating might completely misread what these app meet-ups are actually like, and they’ll likely fail simply because they’re missing the right mindset and social calibration. Just throwing it out there; maybe someone with more experience can speak on this better.

 

[CheekyMonkey101]

Increase your own standards and your own SMV. Enhance your own seduction abilities.

In the past, there were times I offered a lot of 2nd dates off of website/app dates when I should not have done that. I had too much of a scarcity mentality. I was taking too many no's. It's better to walk away yourself without even offering a 2nd date.

It can be difficult to screen well for first date prospects behind an electronic screen. I think apps is responsible for a lot of first dates that should never happen.

Yeah I agree with this, I have actually increased my SMV quite a bit in terms of looks (just need teeth fully done). I've got a bit of a rut lately but I'm still getting lots of dates, likes and matches just quite a few lately haven't led to a lay. It happens.

But yeah you're right about many of them probably should never have happened. I've also become more picky at least.