Experiment, sturn signs V approach approach.

[CLOONEY]

Ok guys, so lately I have been out in the field, probably WAY too much, conducting my own little experience with woman.

My usual approach is simple, I wait for eye contact, look away after a couple of seconds, wait for it again, then approach. Or I simply stand around at bars talking to mates not caring about approaching (IMHO, woman somehow see this as you being not interested, and makes them more interested in you), if you simply approach approach and woman see this, it can turn them off to some extent (as I will talk about in a minute). Sometimes just standing around, a girl will send her friend to talk to me for her, or sometimes one wil come by and ask "why arent you dancing" etc. With this I instantly strike up conversation (always small talk at first with a few neg-hits), I never use kino much with girls I first meet. I then get the number and get out of there. These simple strategies are my basic ones and have worked a charm.

Anyways, over the past few months, I have had two friends come up single, both not looking for a relationship, and both extremelly good looking guys. One inparticular would probably be one of the most handsome men you will see anywhere in the world.

Ok, so over the past few months we are been hitting clubs around 4 times a week (disrupting my university work to the extreme). We have taken a new approach and have been talking to numerous woman every single night, probably around 15 girls each a night. This is a LOT of woman, if you add that over 4 nights a week for a few months. Ok, so the results. I have found that my rejection ratio has gone up beyond comprehension. So too, has the rejection ratio of my mates. We have managed to get the occassional date, a lot of numbers, and a hell of a lot of blatant shutdowns!

Overall, I have found that I have had just as many pickups using both approaches, one however involves little effort on my behalf, and hardly any rejections. Both are fun in their own way. Just thought I would share this with the board.

Note

* (the girls we were approaching however, were only 7+).
* (Amongst all 3 of us, the rejection ratio was about the same, of which leads me to the conclusion that as long as you are good looking, you dont need to be extremelly or insanely attractive, simply good looking to acheive the same results).

 

[CLOONEY]

Any of you guys experimented with this yourselves over any time time period?

My usual approach was used over about 4-5 years. The experiment of approach approach approach, was only used over around 4 months.

Just thought it was interesting to point out and discuss and something I wondered about a lot, considering sosuave preaches its ALL a numbers game. But then again, if you are not good enough looking to gain attention, you probably need to approach approach. Different horses for different courses? maybe!

 

[Broham]

Ok so what is this "new" approach technique? Am I missing something here?

 

[JackPrescott]

Originally posted by CLOONEY
Ok guys, so lately I have been out in the field, probably WAY too much, conducting my own little experience with woman.

My usual approach is simple, I wait for eye contact, look away after a couple of seconds, wait for it again, then approach. Or I simply stand around at bars talking to mates not caring about approaching (IMHO, woman somehow see this as you being not interested, and makes them more interested in you), if you simply approach approach and woman see this, it can turn them off to some extent (as I will talk about in a minute). Sometimes just standing around, a girl will send her friend to talk to me for her, or sometimes one wil come by and ask "why arent you dancing" etc. With this I instantly strike up conversation (always small talk at first with a few neg-hits), I never use kino much with girls I first meet. I then get the number and get out of there. These simple strategies are my basic ones and have worked a charm.

Anyways, over the past few months, I have had two friends come up single, both not looking for a relationship, and both extremelly good looking guys. One inparticular would probably be one of the most handsome men you will see anywhere in the world.

Ok, so over the past few months we are been hitting clubs around 4 times a week (disrupting my university work to the extreme). We have taken a new approach and have been talking to numerous woman every single night, probably around 15 girls each a night. This is a LOT of woman, if you add that over 4 nights a week for a few months. Ok, so the results. I have found that my rejection ratio has gone up beyond comprehension. So too, has the rejection ratio of my mates. We have managed to get the occassional date, a lot of numbers, and a hell of a lot of blatant shutdowns!

Overall, I have found that I have had just as many pickups using both approaches, one however involves little effort on my behalf, and hardly any rejections. Both are fun in their own way. Just thought I would share this with the board.

Note

* (the girls we were approaching however, were only 7+).
* (Amongst all 3 of us, the rejection ratio was about the same, of which leads me to the conclusion that as long as you are good looking, you dont need to be extremelly or insanely attractive, simply good looking to acheive the same results).

This is absolutley SURREAL and "Twilight Zone" Do a survey at a gay bar, with three good looking men, wearing leather and spandex, and the results would be a "Gone with the Wind" novel of epic proportions and graphic sexual details/escapades, same with the lesbian world, get 3 sexy women and send them on missions to pick up women and you have a novel full of sexy stories.

Now send out three handsome men to a straight bar, and have them attempt to hook up, and you have a pathetic story of more Strike Outs than a blindfolded Canseco.

 

[CLOONEY]

Originally posted by Broham
Ok so what is this "new" approach technique? Am I missing something here?

One is approaching after getting the signs. Approaching less woman, but gaining a higher hit ratio, leading to the same number of dates.

One is approaching whoever, whenever, as long as they are hot. Although the hit ratio is far lower, both end up with just the same results.

Meh, forget about it. Guess no-one here experiments over time and tries both PU styles.

 

[prosemont]

Hey Clooney. I agree.

If you cold approach, you will have a far less success ratio than if you approach after you receive indicators of interest.

This is the case with ANY level of looks ... a 10 dude will have less success with cold approaches than if that same dude approached after getting signs of interest. That dude may get TONS more chicks than the 5 dude, but the level of success for each guy will be less than with signs of interest.

This is because you may be getting rejected for a variety of reasons beyond your control and that have nothing to do with YOU with the cold approaches: she may be involved with someone already, she may have issues, she may have particular like/dislikes, etc.

Also, an approach in and of itself sends a signal on some level that you are available and therefore your value is decreased because you are approaching.

 

[tmpgstx]

Oh yeah, you want visual confirmation first. A positive non-verbal signal before approaching. I thought this was 'unspoken' rule for most guys. It's only going to increase your chances by going after someone with some interest vs. no interest or little interest at all.

Looks or intelligence (especailly the latter) don't have a whole helluva alot to do with the bar scene for guys. It's how much of a flaming idiot you can be for most girls that frequent the scene.

 

[FollowTheWhiteRabbit]

It's how much of a flaming idiot you can be for most girls that frequent the scene.

Can you elaborate on this?

 

[TonyTheTigerOI]

Hey Clooney! Although I dont have near as many years under my belt as you Id like to offer some insight:

When you just stand around enjoying yourself you are in the WHITE. You arent with ANY girls so they all wonder about you and youre taste. You have a high value ... When you approach every girl in sight you are in the BLACK. You are ALWAYS with girls so they all want to compete. You have a high value.

HOWEVER!!! 15 approaches in a 3-4 hour night is NOTHING. Ive made that many approaches in an hour. That puts you into the nasty grey area where - just like every other guy - youre there for girls, but maybe "disguising" youreself by relaxing inbetween sets with youre wings. Sure, you do BETTER than the other guys in the grey, but that is because of youre looks and interpersonal skills.

BREAK THE MOLD. BE WHITE or BLACK.

In my experience, the nights I would go out alone and make 30+ approaches I would both, get the most #s and get the most dates. When I made 10-15 approaches I might not get any #s or dates. But, when I was just out with friends and I would only make 1-3 approaches to girls who REALLY caught my eye, I would usually get 1-2 #s and a kiss/head. Some good examples of what Im talking about are in the thread "clubbing alone... a FR" If youd like to check it out.

"FLAMING IDIOT AT THE BAR" - is a reference to social proof, I believe. When you walk in a bar, look around, there is bound to be a guy/group that 'runs' the place. They have all the connections with staff, the social scene revolves around them, basically they have instant high-value the girls. BUT!!! If they are cool guys you can usually buddy up to them and use their social proof for yourself.

 

[Reyaj]

Clooney,

I read through this fast, but what point are you making? That its better to get some feedback first? Or that its better to just approach a high number of chicks cold?

More importantly,

Does Winky have a shot against Tito?

 

[david90]

what's your point clooney

 

[belividere]

I think like prosemont stated that the more cold approaches you make the more outside variables are going to come into play regardless of yourself. I would also think that is partly due to the fact that you spent years perfecting the moves that you were doing up until a couple of months ago. Trying to transition from reading interest and approaching to just cold approaching requires different skills.

Maybe feeling out your approaches to realize some interest level before initiating gives us the extra confidence needed. I do go for cold approaches and have had success similar to yours but usually not at bars or clubs. From my experiences cold approaches are most successful when you can both mentally and physically win over a girl. If I'm standing at a bar and am getting looked over by woman, it is obvious that physically they are attracted and if I can maintain attraction verbally than I'm in. In the opposite case when you cold approach a woman, assuming she is single to begin with, you have both to physically and mentally attract her.

JackPrescott,
What the hell are you talking about? I've read a couple of your replies and they have all been regarding how easy homosexuals can hook up. What is the point of these posts? What is the basis of these posts anyways? You are living in fantasy land with this ****. If a straight guy wants to get laid than a straight guy will find a hor. If a gay guy/girl wants to get laid than he/she will find a hor as well. A hor is a hor be them straight or gay. What are you bringing to this board with that attitude? Yeah every lesbian on earth right now is participating in a cinemax like orgy just because they are gay. If you want to get laid every night as either a straight or a gay male it isn't all that hard. You need to target hors. Simple as that. Any self respecting person will not do that every night though regardless of the fact that they can.

 

[CLOONEY]

Thanks guys, finally some constructive points.

Prosemont, I think the big one you said is very very true, when you approach everyone you automatically make yourself available, loosing their interest straight away. When you lay back more, you gain their interest. Also, your other points are valid. One more thing however, I think that when a girl knows you are approaching and is hoping for it, the hit rate is much higher, than one who you take by surprise.

Tony, interesting way of putting it. Yes we do have a bit of a break between sets, otherwise if a woman sees you talking to one, get shut down, move to the next and the next and the next you might look like ur trying too hard. That is what I thought anyways.

belividere, great point!! Maybe I am so used to my natural style now, that my cold approach is not perfected. Although one of the guys I go out with is an expert at cold approaches, and hit hit ratio is not that high either!

Jayer, my point is, both seem to get the same amount of girls in total. Pretty simply, haha, sorry I was just in a rush and didnt write it very well. Oh yeah, and Winky has no chance against Tito, haha, or at least I think very little! (but then again, I have got my last 3 predictions wrong!!)

 

[Oxide]

Even though checking her IL is good and all, i think it is more of a waste of time than anything. It is something that gives the guy reasurrance, where he should have gone for it by now!

I mix them, depending where i am. When i go to house parties, i look around and check out who is checking me out. Then i go for it. I have a buddy who just simply cold approaches every girl.. which looks rushed to me becuase he isnt trying to necessarly establish any rapport, he just VERY quickly sees their response.

If i look for her IL, i will assume she is interested when i go to talk to her. Sometimes this does wonders becuase both of you connect instantly.

If i cold approach the same girl without checking her out. i could have blown it by going too fast..


You know, we are way overthinking this. At house parties everyone is drinking anyway..


Just approach them all, who gives a sh1t

 

[TonyTheTigerOI]

<shrug> I totally agree with you guys... but I feel youre negitive sentiments are more applicable to "grey" approaching, as I described in my above post. I usually dont feel rushed when I pull tons of approaches? I think its a reflection of youre mood/style:

I will make tons of approaches... but I try to keep the convo as FUN and WILD as I can, then jump to the next set as soon as I run out of material. I RARELY close during the first 'round' of approaching. Ill do two or three laps over the course of one two hours and THEN close on the girls who continually show interest. I have had girls APPROACH ME while I am in MID APPROACH and just say things like, "Jesus, honey, do you know EVERYONE here?" to which I respond, "Everyone but you - howd that happen?"

I think its important to mention that I am very high energy and I have been cold approaching like this ^^ for about a year straight. Buliv makes a great point - CLOONEY youre cold approach probably isnt as smooth as youre 'warm approach (w/ yecontact/smile).'

However, again, I dont think mass approaching this is lowering my value? Has anyone had experience approaching large #s of girls at a time... I feel like it helps me get noticed?