Hello Friend,

If this is your first visit to SoSuave, I would advise you to START HERE.

It will be the most efficient use of your time.

And you will learn everything you need to know to become a huge success with women.

Thank you for visiting and have a great day!

ex is back...

tryin 2 play

Senior Don Juan
Joined
Sep 18, 2005
Messages
245
Reaction score
3
Oh God you guys will love this haha...

I was with this girl for 3 yrs, all through highschool and a little after. Ended up breaking up for a few reasons. A big part of it was that I was extremely jealous, I would question her all the time about guys, it hurt us bad. She was also extremely immature, we both were. I took her virginity. We broke up about year ago. I slept with one chick, and hooked up with a bunch. She only kissed one guy, she swears thats all and I realy do believe her. She is very sexually inexperienced.

We had talked here and there during the year breakup, and i pretty much wrote her off, and was trying to get other girls. Our only contact was when she msm'd me. She just recently did, and we basically agreed to start talking slowly, to see where it lead. If it was good, we would talk more and eventually hang out. There are still feelings for both of us(she has more though I know that)

Basically, how shold I go about this. She does not want to rush AT ALL. She is taking this almost too slow (only wants to tlak on msm for now) I just need advice on how to handle this, because we were gona do this before but suddenly she said no, I think i was "pushing" her too much. She says she matured now though.

P.S. Please no comments like dont take her back for whatever reasons. I know all the consequences but this deserve another shot. I just need to know basically how not to screw this up...thanks
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

backbreaker

Master Don Juan
Joined
Apr 24, 2002
Messages
11,562
Reaction score
571
Location
monrovia, CA
Control the Options: Get Others to Play with the Cards you Deal

The best deceptions are the ones that seem to give the other person a choice: Your victims feel they are in control, but are actually your puppets. Give people options that come out in your favor whichever one they choose. Force them to make choices between the lesser of two evils, both of which serve your purpose. Put them on the horns of a dilemma: They are gored wherever they turn.



I stole that from the 48 laws of power... It either has to be on your terms, or not at all. It's that simple. If it's you that wants to take it slow, then that's cool.. If she gave you a call, only to tell you that SHE wants to take it slow and isn't willing to do what you want, which is I persume be with her, then tell her it's best you get back to doing whatever you were doing, becase in the long run it probably is anyway
 

tryin 2 play

Senior Don Juan
Joined
Sep 18, 2005
Messages
245
Reaction score
3
Thanks for the advice, you are right. For now, she basically only wants to talk online, not even on the phone! She "doesn't want either of us to get hurt". I told her that it should progress naturally, that I won't talk online forever. She agreed, but I really feel it will take a while to even go to the phone, as she does get kind of nervous in these situations, its weird. Maybe she hasn't matured as much as she claims. We are 19 yrs old.

So any advice on how to actually get this to work out how I want it? If I force it, I know it will "scare her away", as it happened about 6 months ago. When we were together, I was kind of AFC, so she had a lot of power then. If somethign does happen this time, it will be much different. I do not plan to take it fast, as I am still skeptical, but I refuse to act like a 12 yr old in this situation.

Thanks for any more advice...
 

backbreaker

Master Don Juan
Joined
Apr 24, 2002
Messages
11,562
Reaction score
571
Location
monrovia, CA
If I force it, I know it will "scare her away", as it happened about 6 months ago. When we were together, I was kind of AFC, so she had a lot of power then.

Well, looking at everything, still seems like you are an AFC, or at least an RAFC.

Look, theres a reason why the things that are in the DJ Bible are in the DJ Bible. There is a reason the 48 laws of power is a national best seller and has been for at least since I was a teenager.

What you are going though is nothing that everyone here hasn't experinced.

Look... here's the thing. And It took me forever to realize this too. The trick isn't to get the girl. God no. If you did whatever it took to get any girl that you had "that connection" with, lord knows what you might end up doing one day.

The thing is to get the girl under YOUR TERMS and that is the most compatable with YOU

You don't do that by changing who you are, or what you want to fit her needs.

In other words, your problem is that you see the end game as this one particular girl. What I am trying to tell you, and what everyone else here is trying to tell you is that, hey, if she doesn't fit what you are looking for and asks you to make changes for her, maybe she isn't the one for you in the first place.

The problem isn't her being "immature" it's you giving in to her demands because she's "cute".. hell I would be immature to if I knew all I had to do is show some emotions everyonce in a while and I would have chicks chanigng everything about them.

Another thing, if she really liked you, really wanted to be with you, you think she would be giving you this crap about taking time? She would be afraid to loose you and would soop you up th esecond she had the chance.

The best advice I can give, ,even though I have no dobut in my mind you aren't going to listen, but I will say it anyway just so I can say I told you so... Let her go.

First of all, she has your number. she gets under your skin. It's ovbious to anyone who knows anything about women.

You are a MAN... Look down.. do you still have nuts? I am not trying to break balls (no pun intended) but my gosh, at some point, you gotta man up. Even at my worst AFC point I wasn't that bad.

SHE leaves you

SHE comes back

SHE decides you two need to take it slow

SHE decideds you are going to talk ON THE FREAKIN INTERNET

:crackup:

She is probably giving another dude a ******* while tying

Probably not, but damn man.

In the original post, you advoided it, or worded it to where it sounded like a mutal breakup, but she left you. It's ovbious by what you said and the way you are acting now.

Then you try to justify why she left you..

A big part of it was that I was extremely jealous, I would question her all the time about guys, it hurt us bad. She was also extremely immature, we both were

She only kissed one guy, she swears thats all and I realy do believe her. She is very sexually inexperienced.

Why do you care? You weren't together. It doesn't even matter how many guys (opps) I mean girls you slept with in that time... in all honestly it's none of her business... The fact that you are quick to say that is like you are getting with these women just to spite her, or to vendicate yourself in her eyes.

we basically agreed to start talking slowly

No, SHE agreed to start talking to you, or better yet, she finally allowed you to talk to her on a regular basis.

Don't lie to yourself

I don't like the guys that go over every post and point out stuff, so I won't.. but dude... you are blind.

I have read 5 paragraphs of your relationship and I know what's going on, and you have been in it for 4 years and you don't.

She doesn't like YOU

She likes the security of a nice guy that you provide.

You to her, are like what I did to my last GF before I decided to give her a fair shake.. she was my backup plan... As good lookin gas she was.. I just couldn't take her very seriously, but she was so sweet, she would jump off a bridge if I told her to.. One night I was drunk.. or at least tipsy, and I was hungry and happened to be passing by her house.. I showed up at 4 in the morning (just got done banging someone else) and not only did she let me in, she made me pancakes and eggs... I would always have two sets of plans.. one with the girl I actually wanted to go out with, ,and then her. I would cancel at least 2 dates a week for her, she would whine but I knew she wasn't going anywhere because I knew I had her in my back pocket.

I am not a female, and like I said, ,funny thing is she looked better than all the other girls I was talking to, so I decided to give her a fair chance without cheating on her.. Things didn't work out, but that's not the point. I gave her a fair shake. She isn't giving you one. And frankly, a man should never be put in a position to where he should be "given a fair shake" by a woman anyway.


Your GF was probably cheating on you the entire time you were with her... She was what.. 16/18?

Why were you jealous?

What prpbably happened is she probably got a better "offer" from someone else, gave them a chance (I only kissed one guy my ass, she's 19 and attractive, do the math, she just doesn't want to hurt your feelings) it didn't work out, and now she wants the security of you back.. but under her terms.

That's not what you want, you deserve better than that.

What you decide to do with her is your decsion.. I have been down that road.. the only reason I still come here in all honesty is I personally know how painful it can be to be disrespected by a woman when all you want is a fair chance.. you do everything you can to be "nice" to her, help out, be there when she needs it, and you get treated like **** for no apparent reason... and I don't want anyone else to go thought it if they have to, ,because in all honesty, ONE girl set me back a couple of years... she had my self esteem so low I couldn't even look people in the face for a while.

That's not a situtation you need to be in.. consider it a scared straight program.
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

The Juan and only

Master Don Juan
Joined
Dec 4, 2005
Messages
805
Reaction score
8
Age
37
Location
United Kingdom
backbreaker knows what he's talking about dude. let her go...or if you really can't bring yourself to do that then at least get some ****ing control of the situation - show her that you won't put up with her crap.


"I just need to know basically how not to screw this up...thanks"

Read the DJ bible, twice.
 

backbreaker

Master Don Juan
Joined
Apr 24, 2002
Messages
11,562
Reaction score
571
Location
monrovia, CA
I was going to let that post be that, and hope that it got though to you, but your situtation is too similar to what I went though a couple of years back (ironically at 19) and JUST NOW getting ahold of the situtation, mainly because the entire time even though I knew better, I tried to get her back, or better yet.. get her, and even when I wasn't trying to get her, my entire self worth was in her fate.

I cannot stress how much you don't want to be in that position.. and that's real.

And I'm pretty good looking. I never had a problem dating women, I wanted HER,

the only way you can totally control the situtation right now is to control yourself.

The only way you can control yourself is to get ahold of the situtation.

Let me share something with you that I haven't shared with too many people, none here as a matter of fact.

Most people here know I started and earlier this year, sold my own company. I don't want for money... As a matter of fact I'm pretty set to be quite honest with you. I have a nice house.. mainly because real estate down here is mexican dirt cheap, but that's beside the point.. I have a nice car. I'm considered good looking...

In other words, I'm a catch in my own right.

However, although all this is true, this one, although georgous, but nevertheless one girl, this one girl not calling me, or not wanting to date me always kept me with a low self esteem.

I ACTUALLY HAD TO GO SEE A FREAKIN SHRINK!!!! It took 2 months of me seeing a shrink for her to get it though my head that hey...you control if you are happy or not, not her.

That's how much control this one girl had over me.. And she knew it, and used it.

That's what "taking it slow" or going the "friends route" can do for you. It can **** you up in the head like I was.

And what's even worse, is that the whole time, I was coming here. Not only was I coming here, I KNEW what i was doing wrong when i was doing it, I just couldn't stop it. She was like a freakin parasite.. calling and calling and taking up my time like a freakin leech. One day while at work, I couldn't get payroll done in time, meaning people didn't get paid on time, because she was having "BF problems" and "had to talk to me" all freakin day.. and my dumbass sat there and talked her "though her problems".. only to have her get in the same **** the next week. I had never been so embarrased as when I had to make an excuse to my employees to why they wren't paid on time.. I stayed there all night on a friday and personally delivered each check to my employees the next morning, because they earned it.

And what's so sad now.. I'm the farthest thing from an AFC as could be now... I don't even act like that towards her.. haven't for a while... Now.. she has REAL issues, which is part of the reason my head was so ****ed up.. nothing I could do was ever good enough in her eyes, she couldn't leave her coke head BF... How would you feel if you made something out of yourself, ,at a young age, have all of the things that young people want, and this girl looks at you and says "humm.. that's nice and all, but I still like my coke head BF, who I admit isn't that attractive, ,better than you"

It took me years to realize that hey, she's the one with the problem. Not me

She had started toc ome around. The ironic thing is, by the time she started to come around, being with her was the equivlant to being with injected with ebola.. I might as well kill myself now to get it over with.. her BF tired.. twice.. I used to laugh at him... she's that bad, and I'll leave it at that.

Just to give you a sample of a normal ass day dealing with this girl.. One day, close to when we stopped talking for good.. I get a call on a Thursday night, which is party night for me. I was playing my cousin in a football game, and I get a call. She is "scared" because her dad is passed out drunk on the couch, and.. they have.... problems with each other, and I'll just leave it at that.

Mind you, she knows I go out on thursdays, so she calls and keeps dropping hints like "I really don't want to be here by myself" and "I wish I had somewhere to go"..

Mind you, I know what she is doing, but I'll be damned.. I was going out that night, she has other friends, she can call them.

But she kept going, so I eventually said "look babe, come over here, I was going out, but of course I don't want to see you get hurt or be scared for your life if you don't need to be" (her mom was out of town)

So she calls me and says she is on her way over my house... I don't get a call back.

A couple of hours past.. by now, I"m pissed because not only did she not come, I didn't go out. I make a sacrifice, mind you that I didn't want to make, because I know her, and I know what was goign to happen, but friend or not, I'm not going to let her be at home with her dad, I couldn't live with myself, even if she was crying wolf.

So I get a call about 4 in the morning, telling me she is over this guys house she is talking to, and about how he was all over her and all of this stuff..

Now.. the other guy I don't mind, like I said, by this point, actually dating her was out of the question... But.. the least this girl could have done was to call me and say "hey, I found somewhere else to go, you can go out".. you think I would have given a damn? And when I call her on it, she starts going in this whining routine about how "she is so confused" and she "doesn't know why she does the stuff she does"... That was one of the last times we had a real conversation, because she had went above and beyond on that one.. i slowly started distancing myself from her, a nd this is after she started coming around.

But let me stop about her.

This isnt' about her

This is about you.

I don't want you to go though what I had to go though, because reading the materials here is only half of it.

You think people who smoke don't think smoking is bad for them? Yet they do it anyway. same as drug users, people who j ackoff too much.. etc..

Alot has to do with will power, and with her I had none. The best thing I coudl have did was move on. I feel so much more rejuvinated, I only have to deal with my crap, not hers.

Same with you... Just move on.. it will hurt at first, but trust me, just let it go
 

tryin 2 play

Senior Don Juan
Joined
Sep 18, 2005
Messages
245
Reaction score
3
Backbreaker,

Well I should thank you for that kick in the a$$. I really needed it, as you know. You were correct in about 95% of your post. A little off on some small stuff about her, but you wouldn't have known that. All the important stuff you were spot on though.

It pisses me off, when we broke up a year ago I was cool, no big deal. I hooked up with other girls(I only mentioned that to you guys in the first post to show that I wasn't waiting around for her. The only reason she knew about it was cause she kept asking, I did not do it to spite her.)

I actually had barely even talked to her before this, except for the bullsh!t 6 months ago. Our only contact was when she contacted me, I had no intentions of speaking to her. You were right about the comfort part, I think it is a comfort thing for both of us. To be honest, I have been with better looking chics, and know I can do better. I probably would not even consider taking her back, but at this time I haven't been gettin much a$$ elsewhere. I basically just needed to get laid again!

You may not believe me, but I am going to take all of your advice, and forget her. If I try, I will get laid more. I haven't been trying AT ALL.

So thanks again, man, point well taken...
 

Blatant truth

Don Juan
Joined
Aug 24, 2005
Messages
85
Reaction score
0
Location
CT
I swear the 48 laws of power is an excellent book. It's knowledge that you can apply to any type of relationship, highly recommended.
 

backbreaker

Master Don Juan
Joined
Apr 24, 2002
Messages
11,562
Reaction score
571
Location
monrovia, CA
The 48 laws of power can pretty much answer any question on this forum if applied in the right way.

The times you are successful with women are usually times you are implimenting these things into your life without even knowing it.
 

tryin 2 play

Senior Don Juan
Joined
Sep 18, 2005
Messages
245
Reaction score
3
I have that book. I bought it a while ago but have not really read it. Time to start!!
 

SeldomSeen

Senior Don Juan
Joined
Jun 27, 2002
Messages
354
Reaction score
7
Location
Midwest
RE:

Originally posted by Blatant truth
I swear the 48 laws of power is an excellent book. It's knowledge that you can apply to any type of relationship, highly recommended.
Supplement it with the Art of Seduction and you can work miracles. :)
 
Top