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Do you bring girls you like around your friends?

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This is a LTR type thing.

I am not talking about a girl you just got number of a week ago or girl you been on 2 dates with. Lets say you been seeing a girl for a month and you like her. Do you bring her and invite her to the stuff you and your friends do? Like going out for drinks....going to club....etc.....


Reason I ask is I NEVER do this. I like to keep the 2 separate. I prefer to go with my friends by myself and have her go with her friends and then have our alone time away from our friends...

Reason I ask is I just randomly remembered but a girl I used to go out with, I never took her around my friends. She eventually dumped me. I saw her tonight for like the 2nd time this month and she was with her new dude. I noticed that the new dude had all his friends there....just like last time. He apparently likes taking a girl he likes out and about with his social circle because like I said this is the 2nd time this month I seen that.

It does not bother me at all I seen her(been over her for a while) but it got me thinking....when you really like a chick do you have to start bringing her out with you and your friends?

What is everyone's thoughts on this?
 

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Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

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She dumped you because she thought you and her are not seroius enough to intoduce her to your friends.
 

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El Suave said:
She dumped you because she thought you and her are not seroius enough to intoduce her to your friends.
Well...maybe.

But this thread is not "why did I get dumped" I just want to know what people do in this situation. Just used her as an example.
 

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I'm the same way, TC. I prefer to keep the two separate. Probably due to some deep seated insecurity somewhere within me. Friends have always been better with the ladies.

The introduction is inevitable in LTR though dude.
 

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I live with one of my best friends and there are usually mutual friends hanging out here, so yeah... Anyone I sleep with usually meets a friend.

I won't bring one along on nights out or anything like that unless there's definite LTR potential though.
 

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I believe this:

Never introduce to your friend or social circle a girl which you are not sexual enough yet cause there is the serious risk she could find someone she likes more than you especially if you're not in the highest rank in the group.

Once you get sexual enough with a girl and you have a decent number of fvcking sessions not only you can introduce her to your social circle but its also a good idea to enrich your evenings and make her feel closer to you, while its fine for most of us to spend evening with a girl and be fine as long as we bang, girls need people and socializing much more than us.

What you should not do is keep the two sepraters when you're serious with the girl therefore frustrating her, that was a stupid move....even more stupid was mine to introduce to my social circle a girl which I didnt bang yet to have her dropping me and going after an other guy which was taller and more good looking.
 

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Once in a while doesn't hurt, but never ever allow your girlfriend - or any girl you're not strictly platonic with - to mix into your social circle enough that she becomes a building block or an autonomous part of it. If (or when) things go sour you don't want her to be around.

Trust me, I know what I'm talking about. What sucks even more is when your "friends" don't have the decency to give her the cold shoulder after the breakup. At least it shows you who's really on your side.

But really, don't exceed like once a month for "big" events.
 

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Everything WDW said. Pretty much read my mind.

The only thing I would add is she might have thought you were ashamed to introduce her to your friends. At some point, she wants you to introduce her and sort of show her off. She doesn't want to be the fat chick you secretly b a n g but can't introduce her to anyone lol.
 

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Thanks for all the advice...good replies.

I honestly keep the two separate because its an insecurity thing. About 3/4th of my inner circle is all players...and girls know this within minutes of being around them. Last girl I took around them made this an issue and assumed I am like them(even thought I am not).
 

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Don't do it. There's no real reason to do so.

Your friends and you probably make fun of each other and shoot the ****. Do you really want your girlfriend to see you getting AMOG'd by your friends every day? Besides, thoughts become things and something can happen, especially if your friends are players/more alpha than you.

Keep the two separate.
 

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That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

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Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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It sounds like you guys are talking like women should be hidden away from your friends. If your friends are able to convert your attempted lays that easily, you have bigger problems, and maybe losing a few to them will spur on your self-improvement.
 

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rhythmic said:
It sounds like you guys are talking like women should be hidden away from your friends. If your friends are able to convert your attempted lays that easily, you have bigger problems, and maybe losing a few to them will spur on your self-improvement.
So its again our fault right? I mean it seems as a man you're supposed to deal with sh1t and dont even try to save yourself some.

So why not let your wive go with her friend on a single cruise around south europe? after all if she cheats its your fault and it means you've bigger problems that keeping them, better yet would help you to self-improve?

What kind of message is that, some kind of shaming others through indirect bragging?
 

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So why not let your wive go with her friend on a single cruise around south europe? after all if she cheats its your fault and it means you've bigger problems that keeping them, better yet would help you to self-improve?
I think the point would be don't marry a chick like that. Don't even date a chick like that.

I'm down with her meeting my friends, especially since I tend to naturally dominate a scene, or with some friends, I'm on the same level at least. There's very little AMOG'ing - I'm either alpha, or we're all alpha.

In this way, it's an immediate boost. Sure, some of them may be higher than me in social value - I'm not a rich guy. But, I'll hold frame and that's what matters.

That said, I wouldn't do it too early, and I wouldn't let her become part of the social group. Just let her join in occasionally, on the fun events especially. If you really want to play it right, make sure she's there to see all the good sides, and avoid having her around for the more negative aspects, or aspects she wouldn't like or that may not reflect well on you.
 

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If I brought a girl around my friends I would make sure she was really into me first. I'd definitely want to have hit it before bringing her around them that's for sure. I have my good friends I trust, and I have friends I don't trust at all.
 

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Look at it the other way around: if she didn't seem to want you to meet her friends then wouldn't you think that there's something wrong? When a woman is in to you she wants to show you off and well she expects you to do the same otherwise she'll take it as a sign that you don't plan on keeping her around for long.
 

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Who Dares Win said:
I believe this:

Never introduce to your friend or social circle a girl which you are not sexual enough yet cause there is the serious risk she could find someone she likes more than you especially if you're not in the highest rank in the group.

Once you get sexual enough with a girl and you have a decent number of fvcking sessions not only you can introduce her to your social circle but its also a good idea to enrich your evenings and make her feel closer to you, while its fine for most of us to spend evening with a girl and be fine as long as we bang, girls need people and socializing much more than us.

What you should not do is keep the two sepraters when you're serious with the girl therefore frustrating her, that was a stupid move....even more stupid was mine to introduce to my social circle a girl which I didnt bang yet to have her dropping me and going after an other guy which was taller and more good looking.

HAHA YES! I have an example of this.

I was at a party last Friday and there were two girls there that were scoping me out. This one girl, we will call her Jen, was all over me giving me signals but I was trying to talk to a couple buddies of mine instead of looking at her signals. Her friend, lets call her Kate, didn't really seem into me.

So if we rewind a bit, my friend whose party it was, was telling me how Jen asked if I was single and thought I was cute. She wanted to hookup with me and wanted to make sure I didnt have a girlfriend.

Fast forward to where we were, my usual wingman walks in. Hes a really good friend of mine, the only one who is not in a relationship and is a born natural. So he walks in and Jen's interest shifted towards me to him, very quickly. He ends up hooking up with her and I grab her friend Kate who didn't even seem into me from the start but we ended up hooking up.

That goes to show that if you and the other person don't have a strong sexual desire towards each other and then you go and introduce her to your friends, she may find one of them more appealing than you and switch her gears. Hence my example.

My example also signifies that not every girl will like you, but some will. Just a side note :rock:
 
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