"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Do people ever change?

b305d

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I have to tell someone this story and this seems like a good place,

The final semester of college, I invited this Japanese girl to a party. She's a solid 8 by actual asian standard, very pretty face but a bit short.

We met and talked briefly the semester before. I could tell right away this girl was a badass from the lust in her eyes, the outgoingness (she flipped me off playfully at one of my joke), weird friends on fb, etc.

We hooked up after the party and it is at this point that I found out she has a bf. I also learned that she is a serial cheater with a history of casual sex.

I kept going because it was a break from a year long drought. I'm asian, and being in a small city in the south with very few asian girls, and having high standard, I rarely come across girls that are good-looking enough to interest me.
What's worse is, the asians all know each other so it's difficult to cold approach without giving yourself a bad name. Imagine all the luck in the world working against your game.

I never pushed for a relationship and played it cool, treating her like a **** buddy initially. Sometimes her Japanese bf would even call coincidentally right after we just had sex. I actually felt bad for the dude because I know she has cheated on him before.

From what I can tell given what she's told me, he's a typical beta, short and not very good-looking. The joke is she actually thinks that she loves this guy and initially planned on getting back with him after she goes back to Japan.

I think around the 2nd time we had sex, she decided that she loves me instead lol. I don't blame her because it felt incredible, best sex of my life, no kama sutra bs, just raw emotion.

At this point I started developing feelings for her, so I pushed her to break up with her bf. Also partially because I felt bad for the guy even though I didn't know him, I didn't want her to get back with him for his own sake.

Now, I had my preconceptions about these type of girls but the big mind**** is a lot of it turns out to be false.

She's quite smart and gets most of my jokes even with the language barrier. She treats me well, cooks and pays her share of the tab. Always txt me first and writes more than me, always on time and never flake. She waits for me after my classes, just clingy and jealous enough but never too much. She always begs and chase after me when we argue. She shows me 10x the affection that I show her and treats me like a king. I maintain my frame and pull back hard whenever I notice any slight change for the worst.

But I know the good times don't always last and the more I love her, the more her past bothers me.

She knows that I don't trust her and begs for the chance to win my love. I questioned the reason for her past and she admits that she was immature and doesn't want to be lonely. She claims that she is a changed girl because I taught her how to love.

Now, my history isn't exactly clean either and I know I would cheat in a heartbeat if the girl was better looking. At this point, my head is a big bloated mess of confusion. Some day I chuckle and think of her as my **** buddy. Another day, I played kiss the rain on the piano and remembered the one occasion I took her to the drive-through carwash, this same song was playing in the car and we kissed. That was one of the most beautiful moment in my life. I know it's just fleeting neurochemistry, blah blah, but still it tears me apart that she's going back to her country soon.

She wants me to follow her there and live together, ignoring the money problem for a moment because I will find a way to solve that. I'm planning on moving there eventually anyways because most part of america is hell for an asian guy in terms of finding *****.

I'm asking sosuave because I don't have enough life experience with relationship. I know what you're going to say but a part of me wants to see the ending of this story instead of wondering what-if for the rest of my life. I understand the high certainty that her IL will eventually lower and everything will blow up in my face, but at least then we'll have a proper ending.

On the other hand, a new girl has shown up. She is casual friend with the current girl, and more of the gentler kind, an solid 9 with fantastic body and face, what some men would consider trophy material. I think she also has a bf but there might be a bit of attraction toward me, it's hard to tell with these girls especially when you're dating their friend.

I've been thinking about this second girl more and more lately. A part of me wants to wait for my main girl to leave and try my luck with this one.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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VladPatton

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Let her leave. Too many BAD red flags:

-Cheater
-History of sex partners
-Long Distance Relationship



Start focusing on the new girl and forget about any remote future with a wacky chick that you yourself cheated with. She'll do it again 100%, and you'll be away in a foreign land to top it all off. Get your head back, man.
 

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VladPatton said:
Let her leave. Too many BAD red flags:

-Cheater
-History of sex partners
-Long Distance Relationship



Start focusing on the new girl and forget about any remote future with a wacky chick that you yourself cheated with. She'll do it again 100%, and you'll be away in a foreign land to top it all off. Get your head back, man.
I definitely don't like being at her mercy in a foreign land. The games we play to prolong infatuation aren't so easy when living with them.

So far she's been treating me good and dying to get married lol. I think every girl has these fantasies in the early stage.

This is the first girl to treat me this good, too bad about her past or I would really love her. She does everything in bed and cooks me great bacon and egg. I still haven't been with any girl long enough to see things turn upside down and ugly.

I think what I'll do when she leaves is tell her to do whatever the **** she wants when she goes back and if she's still wants me to move in with her by the time I have enough money, then rock & roll. Meanwhile, I'll be in America focusing on the 2nd girl, who seems like a much better catch.

But I think this girl has a bf too, it's sad when your own success means never being able to trust the girl lol.
 

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I did not read all of that post but yes people do change, they learn they grow. But sometimes cheaters are always cheaters. They either learn how bad it makes them feel and never do it again, or it gets easier and easier for them. I have been cheated on and cheated on a girl once, because she cheated on me. And never will I do it again after knowing what it feels like.
 
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