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Day Game: Direct VS Indirect

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Night game/Club game, no problem, I do great in that atmosphere. With day game its a bit different for me. I usually go through out my day then go pick up girls at night. Ive approached only for normal conversation(Indirect), and gotten there number if i was interested. For people who have experience with day game do you usually go direct or indirect with your approach?
 

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real2 said:
Day game

High energy, I would say, go direct

Low energy, try indirect

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Achieving a high energy would minimize time taken per set.

Low energy would indicate slow and steady.

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I like that idea. Thanks bro
 
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real2's response is a pretty good rule.

As far as pickup goes, day game is my venue. I just started working on my night/club/bar game 2 weeks ago.

I've found what works best for me is what I'm going to call a "hard indirect". I got this idea from Adam Lyons and that's not what he calls it, but let me try and explain what I mean. I think one of the biggest mistakes guys generally make when they approach a woman is thinking that there's some problem with the fact that they're attracted to her and if they let her know that, it's going to be really awkward, dangerous, or something else. I've been approaching women during the day for 2 years now and have never had anything bizarre happen to me, except the time I number closed a girl who looked much older than 16 :eek: People tend to define indirect as approaching without any initial conveyed attraction to the girl (a la Mystery). People tend to define direct at approaching with clear conveyed attraction to the girl (a la, Zan).

What's your objective here bro? I'm presuming you're sexually attracted to the girl and want to sleep with her. If that's the case, direct/indirect definitions are based on your objective. If you're sexually attracted to the girl, direct would be walking straight up and propositioning her. I've legit had a fair amount of success walking up to a girl on my way from wherever I was to wherever I'm going and stopping her to say something like:

"There's something about you that made me notice you and I'm really interested to find out what it is. I don't have time to talk to you right now, so give me your number and I'll make arrangements for us to share some coffee"

That's what I call hard indirect. It's directly indicating that something about the girl attracted you to her, but not propositioning her. Frankly, I tend not to use the indirect method very much unless I go out specifically to practice day game. If you can deliver a line like what I wrote above from a confidently congruent frame, the girl may be taken aback some, but that will probably also facilitate your success. Guys say girls get "hit on", "opened", w/e all the time. They really don't. They get cat called a lot and have their attention buttons pressed, but that's about it. I think it's important to compliment a girl selectively during your cold approach, but not to mention her beauty. That's all she ever hears. From reading your other posts, I know you watch Deangelo, remember what he said about Broca's region in the brain in his advanced series? Anything that is predictable is automatically discounted. So telling a girl she's freakishly beautiful is going to be old hat.

I like making my locus of attraction rather ambiguous, because firstly, if you're honest with yourself, you don't know the girl at all and your locus of attraction should be vague. Secondly, it will make her wonder what it is.

So while women may be "cat called" a lot, especially during the day, women are not actually legitimately "opened" very often at all. In a lot of ways, I don't think it matters what you say as long as you say it confidently and congruently, and aren't afraid of the fact that you are a man and are sexually attracted to this woman. It's a shame that as guys, we can't get that out of our system sometime in middle school! You will be differentiating yourself from every other guy out there who has either made a crass sexual comment about her body or tried to talk to her but either didn't convey any masculinity about him at all or was not confident and congruent and thus, did not inspire attraction.

This is what has worked well for me. I use the line I gave you a lot because while I'm out during the day, it's usually true. And that might not be my exact opening statement, but it's usually the meat and potatoes of what I have to say. Example:

In august, I saw a beautiful girl walk past me going very quickly, so I did not hesitate and started walking next to her... and she was really walking fast! So I looked over at her and said "Hey, who are we racing against?" with a slight smile on my face. She just laughed a little bit and asked me what I meant. And I said something about how she was walking very quickly and was disappointed that we weren't actually acing someone. Then, I inserted the above line.

She was not a flake.

Another example:

I was at Borders during their "we'll pay you to buy the last of our books" sale right before they went out of business. I noticed a girl looking through the travel books so I walked up next to her, quickly noticed what she was looking at and picked up general travel book. I asked her if she knew anything about China and spent about 20 seconds telling her about my Chinese history class and how adamant my professor is that we should all visit China. She said she had no idea about China, so I asked her what she was looking for. Stuff about habitat for humanity and travels with that organization she's made to South America. I said something about how it's unusual to meet a woman who's interest is displaced enough from herself that she's willing to travel across the world to help another person. She looked at me a little funny and said something about how that was a bold statement to make or something like that. It doesn't really matter. Without breaking stride I said "Beauty is common and but value is not, and I'm not interested in meeting beautiful women without value." I went on to say something like you know how women generally behave, and I'm intrigued with you because you may be different. When you're done looking through your book, let's go to the coffee shop next door and find out a little bit about who we are.

And she did.

I have done similar approaches where the woman has not been able to because she has been busy. That's fine. I am a busy man too. So I tell the girl to give me her number so I can find a time that we are both free to have a cup of coffee together.

To give you some encouragement: I said I've been doing day game for about 2 years. I am still not what I would call a "Master Don Juan", but I'm much better than I was. The first time I ever tried to number close a girl and it didn't work was last week. Every other girl I've asked for a number has given it to me, even when I was a total AFC. Granted, I had a higher percentage of flakes then, but they still gave me their number. I think rejection is much more of a mindset than it is a fact of reality.

Finally, most of us would agree that women are attention wh%res, and those that are not are very close. If this is true, why would a woman be upset with you for approaching her our of an interest in her? The worst thing that will happen is that she will not be interested in you, but will be flattered that you were interested in her. What you would consider a "failure" may be something that gives cause to another human being to feel good about themselves and possibly even smile. As someone seeking to become a real "man", I don't think I can consider making someone else feel good a failure. Would it make you feel good if you found out someone else liked you?

It doesn't matter much what you say, I don't think. I like my line(s) and style, but that's my line and style and it may not be yours. The only way to find out is to go out and do it. I would say the following are universal, however:

-Be confident
-Be congruent
-Do not be afraid of or apologetic for your masculinity
-Likewise, your sexual desire
-If you go indirect, do not be so indirect that you fail to convey interest.
-And above all - have fun and enjoy yourself. A man having legitimate fun is the most attractive man there is.

I hope this has helped.
 
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