Dating women vs going clubbing with women (older vs younger women)....Discuss.

[WillieSacks]

Over the past few months since I've lived on my own I've gotten a lot of phone numbers of girls ranging from 18-31. Now I've noticed that the girls under 21 play a lot of games and I noticed that they are more open to going out on a casual date to a place like the movies, to get something to eat, or just hanging out. Probably b/c they are new to the whole dating scene and just want to see how it works. I even had one chick tell me that I was the first guy to take her out on a date.

Now the chicks that are 20 and up, when I get their numbers, I have a problem setting up formal date with them. I've been invited a few times to go clubbing with them, to meet them at a club, or to meet up with them at a bar or some $Hit. I've even met them at bars or clubs and made out with them on the first night but for the life of me I can't set up a date with them. Now it's not b/c they don't like me, it has to be something else. One chick who I met (21) invited me out to go to the bar with her, I ended up making out with her that night at an after party. Well I never called her after that until I ran into her at a restuarant and she asked why I never called her and told me it was ok if I called her.

So I call her up and I ask her if she wants to get something to eat. She has other plans and says she'll call back. She never does, I call and ask if she wants to go watch a movie or whatever, she had other plans and said she'll call back. She never did.

I met anther chick a couple of weeks back (21 year old also). I ask if she wants to get something to eat, she says she's free and to call her on Monday, I call she doesn't answer. Later on a Friday night she calls and says 'Sorry I missed your call, bla bla, but I may be going to Club Rio tonight, do you want to meet up with me there? I had other plans and had to decline. One time I call her up on a Friday night and she picks up telling me to meet her at a bar but I had other plans. I call her to set up a date for Yesterday, I called, she flaked and said she was going to the club. I told her to call me if she wanted to kick it.

Now it's a whole different story if you end up having sex on the first night. They don't mind going out with you on a date. It just seems to me that the older chicks would much rather go out and drink and have fun at the club with their girls and meet up at clubs than go out on a date b/c it seems like they're b/f & g/f>

I talked to one of my boys about this and he told me that the girls just want to show you off at the club. Basically he was saying that girls just want to see you at the club and see how much attention you get or how you do compared to others or just to have someone to kick it with at the club so it won't seem as if they aren't getting attention or some b/s. He also said that some girls want to see how you act if/when they get hit on and how you respond to that.

I thought it was funny and was surprised at the answer but he said that girls are immature like that and do stuff like that just for attention. He was even talking about how some girls dance with guys on wheelchairs, b/c they think it's 'cute'


I don't like taking to girls to clubs on dates b/c I'm trying to hook up with other women. I took one out last week to this club (CBNC for anyone in AZ reading this) and I wa drunk and was trying my hardest not to talk to other girls since I was with her. Of course people were looking at her and she got hit on as soon as I left but since I already banged her, there was no need for her to front on me.

Who has had success by taking girls out on club dates and is this true..that these older girls would rather go clubbing and such than go on formal dates? What do you guys think?

 

[DJnomore]

Older women understand the game better...

The whole DJ attitude for most guys at the club is how to have sex. When women are at the club and their hormones are all geared up they are thinking the same thing. But make no mistake they usually know what is going on.

But the day after the more experienced woman realizes you are just looking to score only. She has gone out with many guys in the past very similiar to you. Girls you want to ask out have the benifit of more experience than you. They have gone out with enough guys to know that basically you are looking for sex before serious relationship. Girls usually favor AFC/winner guys over DJ/winner guys from relationship then DJ/loser type then AFC/loser type when it comes to relationships.

So you have to pick your poison. DJ gets you laid the night of the club meet but isn't as good getting the date/relationship. AFC only gets you laid if you get the relationship.

 

[PuertoRican_Lover]

First of all, throw your friends reasoning out the window. Make sure you open the window beforehand, so that you don't break ant glass!!

Never allow a girl telll you where to go or where you can find her or I'll be with my friends and you can tag along like a good puppy.
These girls you are talking to are hos - club hos to be exact! They like to be seen and chased and they want others (expecially their friends) to see that they are being chased and receiving attention! You are playing right into their hands like a good lap dog b/c they know you want their tw@t and you'll follow them around and take their instruction. Men don't do this!!!

Women follow men and the man dictates the when, the how, the where, and the woman accepts or she declines - don't beg. If she declines, move on to the next victim. You are dealing with the worst kind of hos (club hos) - because she is a beautiful poison butterfly. These hos are loyal to no one - this is why she goes out with others and not you - she is trying to tell you that you don't control her b/c she came with others she leaves herself open to leave with others and thus shows you that she is a 'liberated' hor and answers to no one.

But hey she says,,"if no one else i like is there, then i'll be with you that night" - you are her reserve!!!
You already got their divine essence, so that you are too willing to comply, b/c you are expecting to receive the worm hole again - and this, my fellow DJ is their control mechanism over you - your desire for their pvssy!!!

Don't be a chump, let these hors know that you are the man and take the leadership role!!!

 

[squirrels]

Yeah, there are lots of possibilities...

-She wants to be at the club in case you fail to impress her, so she can jump on someone else...or she wants you as a backup guy, so if she can't attract someone better, she won't be that girl going home alone.

-She wants to show you off to her friends, along with the 20 other guys who she told to "meet her" there tonight. Think about it, if you were out with your "boys" and you had 20 girls come up to you out of nowhere in the club saying, "Hey Willie, what's up?", wouldn't you feel like the mack?

-Then there are the girls who invite you to the club because they wanna dance/grind/party with you and possibly hook up.

I would not recommend clubbing as a FIRST date, but once you've made at least SOME progress with a girl, then you can safely take her to the club.

Don't let the girl suggest the date in the first place. If you call, have a definite place and time when/where you wanna go with her.

If you DO end up going to a club with a girl, remember, she is not the ONLY piece of ass in demand...YOU are a Don Juan, and you can easily shrug her off and pick up another girl in there, maybe even MORE easily than she can find someone else SHE would want to hook up with.

What works well is if she suggests you meet her at the club, go with a bunch of friends and just do what you would do any other time in the club (drink, dance, mack girls) and let HER be the one to come up to YOU and say, "Hey, here I am" as if she wants you to care.

Life's too short to hinge the success of your night on how much love she shows you. If you go to a club, enjoy the experience!

 

[elvis aint dead yet]

There are many people in their twenties(early, mid, and late) who basically live for the clubs. There are even thirty year olds who do. BUt that's another story.

The thing is, go out and have fun if that's what you want. When I was in my early twenties, I knew so many people, male and female, whom I saw on a regular basis and many whom I considered my "friends.

However as I got older, I started to realize, most of these "friends," male and female, I never actually hung out with, outside of these clubs and/or bars.

It's just the way it is. There are many people who graduate college or don't and at 21,22,23, and 24 spend the majority of their time at clubs.

I remember going to clubs until 4am, then going over to after hours bars until around 6am, then I went off to work the next day.

ANd I wasn't the only person who did this. I had many male and female friends who were the same as me. We really didn't live outside of the clubs. So if you wanted to hang with any of us, you'd have to go to one of the clubs or bars we frequented.

it wasn't anything, bad, it just was who we were and where we spent the majority of our time.

So if you don't like that atmosphere, I'd go find another girl.

The girl will probably change as time goes on, because the CLUBBING night after night scene gets old after awhile.

But again, if you hate that lifestyle, I'd find another girl.

 

[DankNuggs]

I think its more the fact that 21+ girls meet guys in bar scenes, and to spend a sober night with some guy when you were both hammered is a little much. Its alot easier to just go out for drinks and dancing, and if it doesn't work, at least your hammered.

The potential for awkwardness goes down in proportion to the amount of alcohol involved....

 

[Sexy_Malibu]

I think it's less about age than you think (although Dank and elvis definitely are right about what they said)...

First of all you didn't mention WHERE you met these girls in the first place... if you met them at a club/bar... then you're meeting girls who like to go to clubs/bars...

But here's something you guys missed...

I'm relatively low maintenance, so usually I'm down with whatever a guy suggests for a first date (dinner, movie, bar, etc) as long as it doesn't sound totally unappealing... BUT... it can depend on your first interaction with a girl what she's willing to do as a first date.

Like Dank said, if she met you drunk at a noisy bar... you might not have actually had any meaningful conversations enough for her to know if she's going to be bored stiff in a quiet restaurant with you (or maybe she just doesn't know how she really feels about you yet).

The club/bar "date" (it's really not a "date" if she goes with her friends and you meet her there with your friends) is a safety-net date. If it turns out to be totally horrible (read: if you turn out to be totally horrible) she still has her friends (and you have yours) to keep her entertained... and she still has alcohol to keep her entertained (and possibly you to buy it for her). Everyone wins. If it (and you) don't turn out horrible... and in fact, turn out great... then her friends and your friends can occupy each other, while you two are hitting it off.

If she met you in a situation where she was able to get a better feeling about how the first date would go (or if she was able to get that "feeling" in a poor situation, or she just doesn't care because you are soooo good looking and charming, ha ha), then she's more likely to be willing to do a one-on-one actual DATE, where you (and her meal) will be her only source of "entertainment". She's assuming (or hoping) that you will be entertaining enough...

I'd say it really doesn't have much to do with age, except for the fact that the girls under 21 normally can't go to bars or most clubs. In fact, I'd say that it's been my observation that younger girls are more likely to "safety-date" (in groups, etc) than older women... but then again, it does crack me up to hear 21 year olds referred to as "older women" ha ha.

Maybe it's just that the younger girls are less experienced with "dating" (their entire dating experience quite possibly limited to high school dating, which isn't dating at all) so they're willing to go on any kind of date, just to date. Maybe once these women reach a certain age, they've been through enough dates-from-hell to realize that sometimes they should try the "Safety-Net" date.

I'm almost 25 and I only do the "safety-net" date when I feel it's necessary... (it used to be more frequently when I was a little younger, but that just might be because I'm growing tired of the clubs and all that crap). I think you're creating a "theory" based on age, when really (no offense) I think it's more based on your initial interactions with these girls and how they feel about spending an evening alone with you just yet.

 

[elvis aint dead yet]

I agree with many things Malibu said, however I disagree with the Age Theory.

For the most part, people from 20(fake IDS) to around 24 or 25 spend a lot of time partying and going to bars and clubs. Not everybody does this, but if you live near a major city, you'll know this to be true.

its the first time many people have a decent job, it's the first time many people are away from home and college, and it's the first time many people can actually go out legally to bars and drink.

Friends get together and meet other friends and the whole circle of people is extended. Most of these new "friends" are just bar and club buddies, but it's something most younger people look forward to doing. Whether it's every night of the week or just on weekends, it's a constant party atmosphere.

And it's a place to meet tons of people, hook up with tons of people and just plain out have fun.

You can not do this forever, so as the saying goes, you might as well enjoy it while your young.

Because, believe me, as you get older, You will not be able to go out to clubs every night of the week until 4,5, 6 am and then go to work at 7am. Your body starts to, well, get older and things effect you more.

ANd after some time, for me anyways, it gets boring. You might travel to different bars and clubs to change up the pace, but what you realize is, it's all the same. "HEY THAT looks like so and so from the other club and so on and so forth."

While your young it's cool, but as you grow older, for most people, it's gets really boring.

Put it this way, Most people (21-25)that go to clubs on a consistent basis, male or female, are looking forward to getting drunk (or high, etc) and hooking up with a hot person. It's all about fun and partying. Yes people do meet others in these situations, but normally, it's all about FUN.

And if you can't accept this fact, as i said earlier, you should find another girl.