"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Confused about this broad (before, during, and after hookup)

LostAndConfused

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Hey brothers, recently I hooked up with this girl I had gone on a date with before, and I'm left with alot of questions. I started by picking her up and taking her to Caribou for coffee, then we chilled at my house for a little while when the parents were out. Heres how it went down, I'll keep it short and simple:

Before hookup:
We were sitting there on a couch talking for a good while flirting, and we talk for awhile, and the subject of relationships come up. She talks about this other guy who I'm pretty sure has been gaming her, and from what she told me, I've established that he's been doing a good job at it. She mentioned how he "sometimes flirts and sometimes says 'mean' things" to her among other things. :nervous: It kinda throws me for a loop but I stick to my guns, play it cool and keep up flirting.

During hookup:
So after a while I went in for the kiss, without tongue at first just to warm her up a bit. she was extremely nervous, but when she got more comfortable things progressed and soon we were fully making out. This part went really well and she complimented me later for my "skills" :crackup:

After hookup:
Because of her being really inexperienced and nervous I didn't bother escalating much past kissing her body, and I think she was fine with that. She mentioned being interested in going out on another date, but recently she hasn't initiated any conversating. Maybe a loss of interest?


So what are your reactions? I bolded the parts that really stuck out to me, but if anythings unclear just tell me :cool:
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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SinJester

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I think your overthinking all of it and that you are fine. She might have been talking about the other guy to get you jealous, perhaps not initiating is trying to do the same thing.

Anyway just keep doing what your doing, it's fine, your just analyzing it too much.
 

L B

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When you get a chance to escalate, do it. Never waste a perfect opportunity. If she wants you to stop, she will let you know.
 
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