"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Climbing my way out of the friend zone or stuck?

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I met a girl 6 months ago in a club. We hit it off and at the end of the night she and her friend were dragging me and my friend back to the place she was staying at. Unfortunately, that place happened to be a friend's apartment and she was not about to have 2 strangers walk in, pound out her friends, and leave. So I got her number and accepted the setback. Later found out that she lives 2 hours away from where I live/work.

Two weeks later we met up and I ended up staying at her place and TOTALLY F*CKED UP. I was dropped to the lowest level of the friend zone and it sucked. Since then I have not gotten over it and have gone through a couple other girls but this one is the challenge I don't want to give up on. My state of mind is I want this girl and I am going to get her.

Since the "f*ck up", I have drastically improved my physique and altered the way I dress for the better.

One quick detail: I am in the military and will be going overseas sometime this year. I have told her that and she has expressed distress.

Last week me and the same buddy went up to her college town and I did not tell her I was there. At about midnight on Friday I texted her a picture of the bar she is in love with and she got mad. The next morning she texted me and wanted to hang out. So we went over and hung out with her for a few hours before she went to work. After she got off, we went out.

The night didn't end with sex as we were both drunk out of our minds. However, I believe I have made progress. She texted me a few hours after we got back to our place and asked me if I was mad at her. I jokingly responded with "Furious". She instantly called me and I told her I was joking. During that conversation she distinctively said "Me and Friend had fun, she wants you guys to come back".

This week she has been texting me uncharacteristically more often and asking me about my day etc. To clarify, SHE has been initiating most of the text conversations. Here is an example:


Her: How's work today

Me: Busy, you?

Her: Sucks man. Schools boring too

Me: In class now?

Her: Nah I'm done now. I skipped my last class. I'm in the dining hall waiting on my chicken philly

Me: Order me one. Extra chicken. Pepper jack cheese if they got it.

Her: Haha idk if they do or not. I always get provolone with green peppers and thousand island

Me: You'd best find out. Whoaaa, hold the thousand island on mine.

Her: Why does it matter? You're never coming back up here while I'm on the meal plan

Me: Eh? Esssplain.

Her: Ranger School. I'll graduate before you're done


The convo goes on, but basically what I got out of it was that she wants me to come visit her in the near future but isn't coming out and saying it.

Yesterday she asked me to call her after work because she had gotten in a fight with a friend. So I called her, listened to the blathering, played the role of the adult, and she promptly told me I made her feel better. Was that a mistake?

Anyway, long story. I left out a ton of details. Any advice?
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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I don't know if you're climbing your way out of the friend zone or not, but I know for certain that it doesn't take 6 months to get a girl into bed with you.

Basically, if you have to ask if you're in the friend zone, then you definitely are. Because when you're not in the friend zone, it's extremely obvious.

Right now, you have same questions you had 6 months ago....except with more texting.
 

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OK, she's just into you as a friend. Sorry.

The very fact that you asked this speaks volumes. This girl also knows she can have you. Women want what they can't have. :yes:

The best way to get out the friendzone is to not go your ass in it. Stop trying to climb out the friendzone. That's a snowball's chance in hell. :trouble:

Judge nismo has found you guilty of failure to spin plates. I'm just gonna fly you to Stressedmind, Maine. The very fact you're worrying about this one girl shows that you have little to no options. Women want a man who's wanted by many women. Get those plates spinning. So ordered. :rockon:

Case closed.
 

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Cashed said:
I met a girl 6 months ago in a club. We hit it off and at the end of the night she and her friend were dragging me and my friend back to the place she was staying at. Unfortunately, that place happened to be a friend's apartment and she was not about to have 2 strangers walk in, pound out her friends, and leave. So I got her number and accepted the setback. Later found out that she lives 2 hours away from where I live/work.

Two weeks later we met up and I ended up staying at her place and TOTALLY F*CKED UP. I was dropped to the lowest level of the friend zone and it sucked. Since then I have not gotten over it and have gone through a couple other girls but this one is the challenge I don't want to give up on. My state of mind is I want this girl and I am going to get her.

Since the "f*ck up", I have drastically improved my physique and altered the way I dress for the better.

One quick detail: I am in the military and will be going overseas sometime this year. I have told her that and she has expressed distress.

Last week me and the same buddy went up to her college town and I did not tell her I was there. At about midnight on Friday I texted her a picture of the bar she is in love with and she got mad. The next morning she texted me and wanted to hang out. So we went over and hung out with her for a few hours before she went to work. After she got off, we went out.

The night didn't end with sex as we were both drunk out of our minds. However, I believe I have made progress. She texted me a few hours after we got back to our place and asked me if I was mad at her. I jokingly responded with "Furious". She instantly called me and I told her I was joking. During that conversation she distinctively said "Me and Friend had fun, she wants you guys to come back".

This week she has been texting me uncharacteristically more often and asking me about my day etc. To clarify, SHE has been initiating most of the text conversations. Here is an example:


Her: How's work today

Me: Busy, you?

Her: Sucks man. Schools boring too

Me: In class now?

Her: Nah I'm done now. I skipped my last class. I'm in the dining hall waiting on my chicken philly

Me: Order me one. Extra chicken. Pepper jack cheese if they got it.

Her: Haha idk if they do or not. I always get provolone with green peppers and thousand island

Me: You'd best find out. Whoaaa, hold the thousand island on mine.

Her: Why does it matter? You're never coming back up here while I'm on the meal plan

Me: Eh? Esssplain.

Her: Ranger School. I'll graduate before you're done


The convo goes on, but basically what I got out of it was that she wants me to come visit her in the near future but isn't coming out and saying it.

Yesterday she asked me to call her after work because she had gotten in a fight with a friend. So I called her, listened to the blathering, played the role of the adult, and she promptly told me I made her feel better. Was that a mistake?

Anyway, long story. I left out a ton of details. Any advice?
First you should rid yourself of the "friend zone" mentality... ask yourself if it's doing you any good? Seems to me like it's not. Fact is girls fall for their male friends. Like all the time. But, you judging from your text convo with this girl, I think your convos with her are too friendly. Their playful, but their not sexual. You don't seem to be telling her "I want to F@%$# you", in the most subtle way possible ... through flirtation. You're being a pal and well, you reap with you sow. With that being said, why not be a bit sexual and flirtatious with her, lead her into that state -- and she'll follow. Change your "pal" approach and I think you'll be getting laid like a rock star pretty soon. Good luck player and all the best to you with this girl.
 

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you get out of the friend zone with simple flirting and slick physical contact designed to arouse her.. hugs hand holding kisses on cheeks wrestling and romping are all great tactics .. alittle buzz is also a great idea..

you will know very fast if its working.. if it is she will let you F close if its not she will express discomfort and pull away and say something negative..
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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