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Even let's say that they are treated unfair and immoral you still have to deal with one fact of life:

Life is not fair. You can not force a dominant group your will if you don't have the power. You can escalate and have the risk that the dominant group uses extreme measures. The question is is it worth to take the risk?

Examples in history: India. Turkey. Greece. Balkans. In many countries large parts of the people had to leave the country because the hate was too big.
Very good. How do you get the power if you aren't in the position?
 

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Very good. How do you get the power if you aren't in the position?
I guess it's a balance. Fighting for it peacefully can help. Being violent can help to some extent till it does not. Then it is a gamble. If you go to far it's hard to get back. You might treated much worse and unfair than before.
 

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I guess it's a balance. Fighting for it peacefully can help. Being violent can help to some extent till it does not. Then it is a gamble. If you go to far it's hard to get back. You might treated much worse and unfair than before.
What going far in power then having to back up will get you treated bad?
 

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What going far in power then having to back up will get you treated bad?
I guess what I wanted to say is that it might be like in Thailand with Muslims, Philippines with Muslims, Colombia with Communists where you have "freedom fighters". That lifestyle becomes normalized. You are in constant fight with the government. It's hard to get back to non violent lifestyle.
 

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I guess it's a balance. Fighting for it peacefully can help. Being violent can help to some extent till it does not. Then it is a gamble. If you go to far it's hard to get back. You might treated much worse and unfair than before.
Black people are not in danger of making their situation worse through peaceful protesting. Because first off, the US does not deny them civil rights, and people here want them to be equal (except for the left). People here will not retaliate against black people for peaceful protesting because the US is not racist, overall, despite what some want us to believe. Racism exists, yes, but the vast, vast majority is not racist.

Violence, on the other hand, is always dangerous. It's a shame there isn't a great leader like Martin Luther King these days who would not tolerate the violence, but he was rare and that's why he was such a remarkable person. Many of the violent protesters (as has been said) are white. BLM may or may not be allied with Antifa, but Antifa most definitely is allied with BLM. If nothing else, they are using them for cover. Unfortunately, too many protesters are willing to go along with or cheer on the violence. The Marxists are happy as long as they are disrupting, whatever form that might take.

@Kotaix The posts follow up is not about me but about a cause and because I feel this thread is losing some good intellectual momentum.
Kataix is blunt, but he does make a good point. If you think you are a victim, you surely will be. You can sit around and think you're oppressed, but successful people will rise above every situation. We all have disadvantages to overcome. Unfortunately the Smithsonian sees hard work, planning, and ambition as "white traits", and therefore a bad thing. This kind of thinking is absolute poison, and what concerns me is that this sort of thinking is rapidly becoming the mainstream view, and that I find highly disturbing.
 

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I guess what I wanted to say is that it might be like in Thailand with Muslims, Philippines with Muslims, Colombia with Communists where you have "freedom fighters". That lifestyle becomes normalized. You are in constant fight with the government. It's hard to get back to non violent lifestyle.
The Muslims in either Thailand or the PH are fighting an ideological war, in that they want Islamic laws to prevail, as in with Mindanao and Southern Thailand bordering Malaysia.

But then Muslims are fighting in almost every country because of this ideology - so called God's law, with chopping off hands and feets for thefts, stoning for adultery, etc.

America should enact laws that's similar to Singapore's, in that, any inflammatory speech that is used towards any races will receive jail time - perhaps one of the reasons why the many races in Singapore can live in peace with one another despite them being so small.
 

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The Muslims in either Thailand or the PH are fighting an ideological war, in that they want Islamic laws to prevail, as in with Mindanao and Southern Thailand bordering Malaysia.

But then Muslims are fighting in almost every country because of this ideology - so called God's law, with chopping off hands and feets for thefts, stoning for adultery, etc.

America should enact laws that's similar to Singapore's, in that, any inflammatory speech that is used towards any races will receive jail time - perhaps one of the reasons why the many races in Singapore can live in peace with one another despite them being so small.
I guess I agree it seem the Singapore system is the only way it can work properly at least in theory regarding the US. The culture of the US goes against this kind of "restriction". Actually the left tries to push this into politics but people are used to their freedom.

Regarding muslims I do agree though in the US ideology plays are role too. Even racism is kind of an ideology you could say.
 

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I guess I agree it seem the Singapore system is the only way it can work properly at least in theory regarding the US. The culture of the US goes against this kind of "restriction". Actually the left tries to push this into politics but people are used to their freedom.

Regarding muslims I do agree though in the US ideology plays are role too. Even racism is kind of an ideology you could say.
Racism is purely rooted in fear and then repackaged into something else, one of them is as you said.

All these white pride or black pride or whatever pride, despite their constant and continuous roarings, are just cowards who cleverly masks their deep seated insecurities.

If a man is capable, efficient and highly successful, there is little for him to fear from another man, the only "fear" he might feel is when there's no one better then him, because he doesn't have a benchmark to surpass.
 

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Kataix is blunt, but he does make a good point. If you think you are a victim, you surely will be. You can sit around and think you're oppressed, but successful people will rise above every situation. We all have disadvantages to overcome. Unfortunately the Smithsonian sees hard work, planning, and ambition as "white traits", and therefore a bad thing. This kind of thinking is absolute poison, and what concerns me is that this sort of thinking is rapidly becoming the mainstream view, and that I find highly disturbing.
If you intend to vouch for @Kotaix intent then I can unignore him. But first please read what I'm about to say, and re-confirm if you feel that I've mis-interpreted @Koitaix's post. First of all, he raised the issue of incel and for an issue like that which is not part of this discussion and is not constructive and sounds more like a personal attack. Secondly, he did not phrase his position in the same way you are bringing this new point up here. I've actually being doing some research on further incel terminology and you have a sizable NEET (Not in Education, Employment or Training), and I'll provide the link to this: https://incels.wiki/w/NEET .

As you said we all have disadvantages, however, @Kotaix does not know my own circumstances, if I'm a true NEET/incel, and either way the way it's phrased sounds like I'm complaining about my life and blaming white society for everything. That to me sounds very offensive.
What you write is not offensive, it is valid discussion, and a point I would even hit the like button too because it could be plausible that black ghetto-culture and thug-life may have youth people thinking that way and send a message that they don't really have a chance anyway.

However, don't you think that it is the police are treating Blacks, with the prison to pipeline? Remember rap music with songs like "Fvck the Police" by NWA existed because you didn't have smartphones in the 80s recording and exposing what police are doing today? In some way art is creative social commentary on things that are happening in society. But lets be honest, there is employment discrimination? Did I experience some types of discrimination? Of course, I was jerked around by my Aunt on my dad's side of the family and she wasted both my dad's time and my time with respect to making a Real-Estate deal. They use other white Real-Estate agents and that has touched a nerve with me against her. I know of a Black girl who is a friend of the family who went to Ryerson, got a degree, and up to today, still can not get a proper job. I have a Black female cousin who took out three University degrees, went to Law School in Britain and successfully graduated. Her racist law firm lied to her about giving her the documentation she needed to stay in England, treated her badly in the job, and she is now collecting welfare at home because she's unable to find suitable employment back in Canada, despite having a British law degree and three other degrees. I have a Black male cousin who had a good job as a computer technician, but he got laid off because his company was downsizing. Up to today he was unable to find any other employment and had complained that as soon as the interviewer heard his Caribbean accent, or found out he was Black, he didn't get the employment. Out of all these stories, my cousin who went to Britain is the most heart-breaking of them all. My Uncle was treated very badly in his employment life that he ended up having a heart-attack and a stroke and is now in no medical condition to work. I have cousins in the States who put up a new water company and allegedly spread false news to spike-up the stock-price. They ended up going to jail for 5 years, where white people who wrecked the economy in 2008 didn't spend a day in jail. My challenge to you is how do you explain your position out of these cases I've mentioned from my own personal life so say there is no employment discrimination/racism? Do you think blacks are welcomed or just barely tolerated (and even at that one has to worry about Karens), even if you feel it's not a racist country? At some point you have to take the blinders off.

Studies have found that in Quebec, an uneducated white person has better employment prospects than a college educated black person.
I've also read other articles that show that a white felon has better job prospects in the States then an college educated black person with no criminal record.

So, these are very loaded issues for people like @Kotaix to be posting like that without coming across as extremely offensive. For every personal example I've raised, that I can vouch for, there is a zillion more documented cases and statistics that more than corroborate that blacks keep getting the short end of the stick. We have to be 10 times more qualified and are treated like garbage on the job compared to their white colleagues, and are made to feel that they the employer is doing them a favour by hiring them in the first place. Other times, even here in Toronto, there are racist incidents in construction sites where nooses are left around and racist workers intimidate their black colleagues. When people complain then nothing usually happens to the perpetrators and the complainers are more at risk of losing their jobs! We can go on and on with this, but you can't fault youth or people in black-ghetto culture for feeling the way they do if law-abiding or great black citizens are made to feel they are doomed from the get-go.

Look at this promising Black student whose life was wrecked by a false rape lie by a white woman:

12 years in jail for kissing a white woman who voluntarily went to his house. Again you can't make this stuff up. What does his investment in college education mean if society keeps treating black people badly?
 
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Black people are not in danger of making their situation worse through peaceful protesting. Because first off, the US does not deny them civil rights, and people here want them to be equal (except for the left). People here will not retaliate against black people for peaceful protesting because the US is not racist, overall, despite what some want us to believe. Racism exists, yes, but the vast, vast majority is not racist.
White men are not subject to racial discrimination in the United States. Therefore, they do not get declare if the United States is racist or not. The truth is in the lived experience of the US minority populations; black people, Native Americans, Asians, and non-white latinos.

Violence, on the other hand, is always dangerous. It's a shame there isn't a great leader like Martin Luther King these days who would not tolerate the violence, but he was rare and that's why he was such a remarkable person. Many of the violent protesters (as has been said) are white. BLM may or may not be allied with Antifa, but Antifa most definitely is allied with BLM. If nothing else, they are using them for cover. Unfortunately, too many protesters are willing to go along with or cheer on the violence. The Marxists are happy as long as they are disrupting, whatever form that might take.
Martin Luther King had a 75% disapproval rating on the day of his assassination. The attempt to whitewash his legacy is amusing. MLK would be considered a communist, BLM, Antifa radical in today’s society.
 

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White men are not subject to racial discrimination in the United States. Therefore, they do not get declare if the United States is racist or not. The truth is in the lived experience of the US minority populations; black people, Native Americans, Asians, and non-white latinos.
Why did you include Asians on that list?
 

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We are supposed to make more intelligent posts then they are. Not sink to their level of ignorance. We should set an example for them not post like them.
could you start to make intelligent posts then i'm still waiting for those.

No. That’s incorrect. Police are sworn to serve and protect. If a government gives unlawful orders, the police are not obligated to follow it. Furthermore, unjust laws are not laws.
no, is not unfortunally you belive in that tale, police force was made to enforce laws, the same way you belive they protect you, they will toss you ass in jail if the goverment said so, don't matter if was unlawfull, mean, or a lie, you WILL be tossed and sacrified if that is the will of your overlords, and said overlords don't care about your well being, only you follow they rule, the simple fact you belive police is there for population means you already fall for the lie and worse can't see over it.

understand people in power will keep they power, and make tools for keeping it, be it by using the police, army, politicians, laws, underground rules
 

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Asian-Americans have been and still are subjected to racial discrimination in the United States.
I agree with have been. But what about today? I thought there was more sexual racism against Asian men because of the amount WMAF couples the sexual stereotypes of Asian men. Do you think sexual discrimination, including discrimination from escort services from Black men should be part of the BLM conversation, or would that belong on another discussion elsewhere? Are you talking about a different type of discrimination today? Reparations were paid to Japanese prisoners of war but never to slavery, so do really think they have it as bad as the rest of us? What about how Blacks are treated in China? Did you ever get laid or in a relationship with an Asian women yourself before or do you feel discriminated against them?
 

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no, is not unfortunally you belive in that tale, police force was made to enforce laws, the same way you belive they protect you, they will toss you ass in jail if the goverment said so, don't matter if was unlawfull, mean, or a lie, you WILL be tossed and sacrified if that is the will of your overlords, and said overlords don't care about your well being, only you follow they rule, the simple fact you belive police is there for population means you already fall for the lie and worse can't see over it.

understand people in power will keep they power, and make tools for keeping it, be it by using the police, army, politicians, laws, underground rules
Morality supersedes any written law. Unjust laws are not laws. As you guys love to bring up MLK... how many times was he arrested?
 

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Morality supersedes any written law. Unjust laws are not laws. As you guys love to bring up MLK... how many times was he arrested?
define morality, morality is relative the same way your religion, is based on where and when you are birthed

morality is a old discussion on phylosofical ground, you should read it, what is moral to one person is not for another, same for civilization and groups, its a moral thing to stone to dead someone for adultery and cut they hand if they steal? some people belive it is.

laws define how police will work, laws are made be politicians who want to keep they power and you working, goverments love to be inn control, hence everytime we made something new, eventually goverment want to put they little paw on it to control it, and more importantly tax it, laws don't care about morality, they care about you following then, and police enforce then.

how you know? lot of people in jail for false crimes, or because you pissed the wrong cop or person
 

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I agree with have been. But what about today?
Lol. Bro we’re in the middle of a pandemic with origins in China. Is this even a question?

I thought there was more sexual racism against Asian men because of the amount WMAF couples the sexual stereotypes of Asian men. Do you think sexual discrimination, including discrimination from escort services from Black men should be part of the BLM conversation, or would that belong on another discussion elsewhere?
Different topic. We’re more concerned with institutional racism than who (still illegal) sex workers choose to service.

Are you talking about a different type of discrimination today? Reparations were paid to Japanese prisoners of war but never to slavery, so do really think they have it as bad as the rest of us?
It doesn’t matter who has it the worst. Asian Americans say they experience discrimination. Their experience doesn’t have to be compared to other minority groups to be credible.

What about how Blacks are treated in China?
Racism is all over the globe. However, my experience is in the US, so I only speak to what I know.

Did you ever get laid or in a relationship with an Asian women yourself before or do you feel discriminated against them?
Racism in dating is rampant but it is irrelevant to this conversation. I don’t care if a woman refuses to fvck black men. That is her prerogative.

This fight is against institutional racism; the state violating the human rights of black people.
 
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