Another AFC askmen.com article....

[speed dawg]

http://www.askmen.com/dating/curtsmith_150/166_dating_advice.html

Where do they come up with this sh1t? If this isn't pedestal thumping, I don't know what is. Then they resort to acting straight up AFC in order to be "friends" and break up a couple. Pretty sadistic.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Sweet Mother Mary, this reads like a textbook for becoming an AFC.

 

[edmond]

That is one of the worst sites ever.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Alright for the benefit of TEFLON:

Knowing all the dating and seduction skills in the world is useless if someone else beats you to the girl. If she already has a boyfriend, no amount of pickup lines or first-date ideas will make her yours. Accepted wisdom says that you should give up.

Wrong. Accepted wisdom should be Spin More Plates. The whole premise of this ridiculous article is flawed. All this mindset does is encourage ONEitis and sets identifying with a single, solitary woman's personality as the goal. I can't think of a better recipe for ONEitis.

However, sometimes you just can’t walk away.

Um,..yes you can, assuming you can break yourself from thinking like a teenage girl.

Become her confidant
One of the first things you need to do is make a place for yourself her life; you can’t just be the guy she works with or her neighbor. Find common ground and establish some flirtation without directly coming on to her.

Without being too obvious, steer the conversation toward problems in her relationship. But bear in mind that you can only chip at cracks that are already there -- get her to reveal their problems rather than listing what you think are his major flaws.

Women have girlfriends and boyfriends, if you're not fukking her you're her girlfriend.

Be the man she wants
By now, you know the kind of guy she wants to be with, and you have planted doubts in her mind that her boyfriend is that man. It is time to step into the void that has been created.

Gradually start acting like her ideal boyfriend. If she craves attention from him, drop casual lines like, “I was watching this show and I thought of you...” If he's not the giving type, pick up thoughtful yet non-threatening gifts for her. As for sexual problems, increasing flirtation will get her pulse and mind racing over you.

So lets see, I should "become the kind of boyfriend she wants?" Well gee, up till now I've been such a good surrogate BF why would she want to reciprocate any intimacy with me? The BF gets to fukk her and I get to be the one she cries to. What the article presupposes is that she blindly fukks the BF without any reason to do so. She picked this other guy for a reason and it had little to do with him making himself her perfect BF. Remember a woman may not be fukking you, she may not be fukking me, but she is fukking somebody.

 

[speed dawg]

I just scanned through it but it seemed good for what it was.

I don't really see how it is afc.
Manipulating someone sometimes requires such subtlety.

Why should you manipulate anyone? If you hadn't caught on after Rollo's post, God help you.

Whoever makes the girl's puzzy the wettest will take her home. No amount of manipulating will change who she's attracted to. That's an AFC way of thinking. A c0ckblock if you will.

 

[squirrels]

Given the forum, it doesn't surprise me. Any medium that has to be "politically correct" must maintain the perspective that women and men are on equal footing/equal potential in all things. They couldn't DARE say that women are emotional creatures who do things according to their feelings rather than rational thought without receiving a tirade of angry E-mails from female readers. (That's weird, isn't it? Women read our periodicals and websites? When was the last time you read "Cosmo"?)

Also bear in mind that they have this mentality that the best way to get advice on women is to ask a woman, which is fatally flawed. Not so much because women WANT to mislead you, but because they really don't KNOW what they're attracted to...or rather they can't put it into words without losing something in the translation. They know the FEELING, for sure, but when they try to describe it, the description breaks down.

When a man seduces them, they get this warm, fuzzy, self-absorbed feeling down inside. Then when asked to put it into words, they say, "I want a man who's kind, gentle, treats me well, takes care of me, etc, etc..." when they're really not describing the man at all, but the FEELING that she gets when she's into a man. She's not lying...she's just CLUELESS because what the man does to elicit those feelings happens without her even SEEING it.

And of course she can't talk about the OTHER feelings she's feeling at the same time...i.e. her pvssy dripping and tingling, etc...because that would just be "slutty", right?

 

[CoolRunning]

"Become her confidant"!??! lol, has that ever got any guy in the history of the universe laid?

 

[resilient]

Yeah, they spew out a lot of half-truths.

I'm wary of any of the mass media's propaganda since they write to please both males and females and not upset anyone with the truth and reality of real world dating.

I think AskAFCs.com is a more appropriate url.

You know what's great though? Without sosuave and our knowledge of ********, we might have actually taken ALL the advice seriously.
:crackup:

 

[Latinoman]

I agree...but...what if you are spinning plates and still desire a particular girl?
Are you saying there is no girl of such quality you would not attempt to pursue even when circumstances are against you? What about manuevering yourself in position just because?

Sure...but why "manipulate" (e.g. lie) if she is of such "quality"?

It doens't mean she is your ONLY option, or even your best option. Granted, typically I would say what is the point in going after this particular women when there are millions out there. But to each is own.

Once again...comes down to manipulating and acting like a girlfriend.

WRONG!! If she does not DESIRE you then you are her girlfriend. Do you know how many girls have literally cried when I let them know I wasn't interested in them when I did no physical escalation to lead them on in the first place?

It's called being desireable. If they truly see you as a prize then they will want you weather you are fvcking them or not.

So...why manipulate? I rather influence.

But once again, I would typically agree. The best way to pull a girl from her boyfriend is to isolate and seduce. However, higher quality girls (they do exist) will avoid these situations as much as possible in direct proportion to how much they want you.

The best is a combination of two things: your ability to become "best alternative" and timing. Timing is everything. If she is in a blitz state with her man...there is NOTHING you can do about it.

In theory this is true. Once again it comes down to be desiarable. I GUARANTEE I could put my self into place with most any woman make her see me as a better choice WITHOUT any physical escalation.

Unless she is in a blitz state. You see? There men out there that know how to phuck their women very well and are as good or even greater than many PUAs out there. Men that are DJs.

Life *is* manipulation. And manipulation is not inherantly bad or evil or selfish. The word itself sounds negative. If you are not manipulating the situation then you are just along for the ride.

You certainly have lack of comprehension...because what you wrote above contradicts what you wrote as a definition (below). Make no mistake about this...manipulation is BAD and/or SELFISH. I know...I have manipulated people.

Manipulate:
–verb (used with object), -lat‧ed, -lat‧ing. 1. to manage or influence skillfully, esp. in an unfair manner: to manipulate people's feelings.

Well, I rather, influence. Because that's what LIFE is all about. Influence.

Influence: n., v., 1. the capacity or power to produce effects on others by intangible or indirect means. 2. the action or process of producing effects on others by intangible or indirect means. 3. a person or things and exerts influence.

 

[squirrels]

The reason it seems "manipulative" is because you still draw a distinction between yourself and the rest of the universe.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

The entire operative of this whole juvenile article is based on ONE woman. If you are spinning plates as you should you don't waste effort on ONE woman, particularly if she's involved with another guy. You apply effort across a broad spectrum of women and filter the ones worth spinning from those who are not. If you are spinning plates there is no need to focus on a single target when you've got more than one opportunity.

I'll agree that desirability is an imperative, but if it was such an imperative with ONE single woman, she'd pursue you, not the other way around, and you'd have no need to come up with half-baked psychological ploys to convince yourself you can trick her into desiring you. It's there or it's not. Spinng your wheels playing 'confidant' is time that is much better spent with women who will show a return on your investment.