"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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29 year guy, dating 38 yr old, No touching going on

MinusoneAFC

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Okay so here is the deal. Is a woman not touching you within in the first two dates a bad thing, is she shy or just f#cK$dup

A little history on the situation. I get this girls number call her 5 days later and ask her out. We go out Wed, have margaritas and good time, 80% her talking me 20% and she is really giving up personal info about herslef. She doesn't touch me once throughout the entire date but at the end we kissed long and hard (5-10 minutes).

I call her two days later from our 1st date and ask her out next Monday night. We go on our 2nd date for some mexican food and maragaritas and then go to a movie. I think the date was good but she didn't touch me once while we were at dinner or at the movie but then we mugg down in the parking lot at her apartement to drop him off.

Oh and on both dates she didn't say Thank you, she said she had a good time, does she not have class?

I know I can ask this chick out again but I am starting to sense some red flags, I think she is taker and might have a bad attitude. (I know her past history her father was verbally abusive to her mother and her.) The only reason I am contemplating this she is hot bod and I really want to Bang her.

Should I invite her to my place for dinner to see if she offers to bring anything to test if she is a giver?

Thanks for the response from a once DJ that felt back to his old AFC way's and is trying to find is way back to the DJ path.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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DJDamage

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I think you are worried too much way too early on. I mean why do you need her to touch you? you are the one that should initiate Kino and be C&F through out the date. Beside you got the makeout session both times and that was the whole purpose. I think its better to get the kiss then the actual touching. Its nice to have both but making out is always a good sign.

To early to tell if the chick has some serious problems. Keep doing what you are doing and keep watching for the red flags.
 

dietzcoi

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I agree it is still too early to tell but keep a watchful eye.

Personally I think touching is an indicator of high interest... if she is not touching, could be a problem..

She could be dating you because she has nothing better to do, and maybe thinks making out is the price she has to pay at the end.

Who knows? But if it starts to bother you, then you will have to take a hard look at it.

Just because she has a good body doesn't mean she will be a good lay.

Dietzcoi
 

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You could initiate the kino a couple times . She sounds like oushing sh!t uphill tho'
 

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You need to seal the deal. She's 38, they usually don't play games. You're 29. There should be no problem here. Take the bull by the horns man! I just landed a 40 year old and they appreciate upfrontness, believe me, and the rewards are nothing short of unbelievable.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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NewMan

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Read the bible.

You how old and asking these questions?

Stop worrying about it so much. I'm wondering if this is transferring over when you interact with her. More confidence, act like you have many other options.
 

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kino doesn't matter if you're macking on her already. that's in large part what kino is for isn't it? to see if she's interested. well, you bypassed all that.

time to bang her. 38 years old? she's probably DYING for dvck.
 

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INITIATE some kino and I bet you anything she will be all over you. Some women just need some kino priming. You are holding back here and that's the ONLY thing preventing you from bagging this 38yo chick in a new york minute!

Mike
 

Don Juanabbe

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Originally posted by TooColdUlrick
kino doesn't matter if you're macking on her already. that's in large part what kino is for isn't it? to see if she's interested. well, you bypassed all that.

time to bang her. 38 years old? she's probably DYING for dvck.
Damn right she is and by 38 most of the b*llsh*t games go right out the window.
 

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MinusoneAFC, I'm moving this to the main forum and let me explain why.

A woman is a woman is woman. Depending on her level of attraction to you, she will either respond favorably to your physical advances or not. Your actions and her responses will override any reservations she may have or any games she may be playing. Such is true of any woman at any age.

Guys who are hesitant about expressing their sexuality is not a topic unique to mature men.

All that matters is that she's hot and that you want to get with her.

Cut the psychoanalytical bs and mack on.

Moved to Don Juan Discussion.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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She's shy and you're overanalyzing. Be patient.
 

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His girl may very well be shy. But that's not an excuse to not get physical. He just needs to adjust accordingly, making sure he doesn't come on too strong. It doesn't matter if the woman was 38, 18, or 68. The nature of attraction remains relatively the same. Its only when we enter the world of relationships that age and maturity become a factor.
 

TooColdUlrick

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Originally posted by Survivor
His girl may very well be shy. But that's not an excuse to not get physical. He just needs to adjust accordingly, making sure he doesn't come on too strong. It doesn't matter if the woman was 38, 18, or 68. The nature of attraction remains relatively the same. Its only when we enter the world of relationships that age and maturity become a factor.
i totally disagree. your typical 38 year old single chick is so fvkking horny it boggles the mind sometimes. the dynamic in picking up a mid thirties chick is totally different than one in her 60's, or 20's.

these chicks want dvck, they want to be pounded hours on end, they want to be tied up, they want pleasure pain, they want to get nasty as fukk (okay, generalizing here, but...)

got an online chick i'm playing with right now. she's 34 with two small kids and a full time job. hasn't had sex in 18 months. i believe it. she told me flat out "i want to suck c@ck and swallow a load so bad it's killing me". but she really can't! the kids!

20 year olds that say that are slvts. 35 year old mommies say that because they aint getting any, in their sexual prime!

a 21 year old on the main board doesn't understand this. no one can unless it's experienced.
 

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Originally posted by MinusoneAFC
Okay so here is the deal. Is a woman not touching you within in the first two dates a bad thing, is she shy or just f#cK$dup...

...Oh and on both dates she didn't say Thank you, she said she had a good time, does she not have class?

...The only reason I am contemplating this she is hot bod and I really want to Bang her.

Should I invite her to my place for dinner to see if she offers to bring anything to test if she is a giver?

Thanks for the response from a once DJ that felt back to his old AFC way's and is trying to find is way back to the DJ path.
hell no, don't invite her for dinner just because she has a "hot bod", ask her if she has a brother and invite him instead. Maybe he'll "touch" you.

And the nerve of her not saying thank you after she had the unique experience of a date with you. All she said was that she had a good time. Tell her your fragile little ego needs much more stroking than that.

Here's a tip, if you bend her over from behind and hold her securely by the waist, you can slam her ass into your balls on every downstroke... how's that for "touching"?
 
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