They say that kino escalation is the key to avoid friends zone and sparkle the attraction and sexuality, but sometimes it just feels phony/weird, to touch a girls hair out of the blue, or to touch her leg, out of the blue. They say that I should touch women to emphasize a point, but that would only work with like, maybe touching her arm. It's weird to touch a girls leg to emphasize a point, at least I feel awkward when i do it. It just doesn't feel natural.
The only way I wouldn't feel weird touching a girls leg is if we're alone and it's obvious that we're gonna kiss and we're turning each other on (those moments almost never happen in my life). When I've tried doing more intimate kino, I always get "what the hell are you doing?" looks, or usually they tell me that. It has happened to me millions of times, and it just feels awkward after that. A big DLV. Everytime I try more intimate kino that happens. Last time i was with this girl and we were sitting and talking and crap, and I grabed her hand and she was like that!
I can pass by by a very confident guy, but deep inside I feel i dont know anything about women, and that makes me very desperate, sad, angry and dissapointed. I dont know exactly what Im doing wrong. When I meet a new woman, she always thinks good things about me, she laughs at my jokes, etc. but deep inside I think like "if only she'd know, that i have no idea how to escalate to the next level, or that I dont really know ANYTHING about women, or that my sex/love life is a complete failure....".
I guess I just dont know the "rules" about Kino. I just don't understand the philosophy behind Kino....! Is it being very affectionate? Is it being a horny guy and turning her on? Is it being random? I dont know.. i have no idea, but I think that if I handle the kino part down, I will be able to get
women.

That's the problem with Kino and the lack of understanding. Who says you need to touch a woman out of the blue? Who says you need to be a creep?

You build up to it. Escalate. You touch subtly, then more deliverately, you set up situations where she's the one initiating, etc.

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Anyway, sometimes it is better to not touch a woman.

There are some women you don't want to touch. Stop having too many "rules" of what you do and can't/shouldn't do. Look to create opportunities, then apply when aplicable/appropiate.

I've tried building it up. I've tried escalating. I've tried all that, and I just don't get very far.... Isn't it weird to touch a woman's leg suddenly?

here is a story of how i got out of LJBF zone. each step is 5 min, what you are doing is transitioning them to the next step, if you transition too quick you might get a negative reaction. what you are doing is warming them up to the next step. girls constantly test to see your reaction so if at first, she says stop touching me, take it as a playful thing and then back off and after like 2 min, do it again. you can tell if the "dont touch me" is playful thing or if they are being serious. you just have to gauge her thru out the night. if she is having a laugh with you and things look good before all this, most likely a "dont touch me" comment is just a test to see how you react, just keep cool and do it again after 2 min.:

1. start poking and poking like tickling. make them laugh and tickle them. if they say stop and they hit you in the shoulder, its a good sign. keep doing it. and if she touches back its a pre-emptive action to go to the next step (which is a good sign). touch playfully how you would touch punch your homies back in junior high, high school.

2. start fidgeting with her hair after getting a good signal from #1, if she doesn't resist, then you are good.

3. then if #2 is all good, go this, say "hey you look up tight, tell me what you think about this:" then start massaging her shoulders, if no resistance, you are good.

4. then start massaging her arms, if she doesnt resist, its a good sign.

5. then put your hands on her leg and massage it, if she resists, go back to step $4 and pretend you never touched her leg. do this for 5 min, then try again and massage her leg.

6. then massage her hands and arms again, then start applying some light kissing on her hand and her arms. if no resist, go to #7.

7. while you are doing #6, continue massaging her leg. i repeat, do not try to put your hand down her pvssy, you might get a negative reaction.

8. then start kissing her neck, if no resistance, you are on the way to home run (inside her panties).

9. start kissing her lips, and mack out with her. touch her all over.

10. pull her clothes off, lick her arms, breasts, legs, feet, ears, etc etc etc.

11. eat her out for a good 10 min till she orgams.

12. then fvk her, get your nut out, done..and then bounce!

this is what i would do.

take note that each step you are in, if she says "no", go back to what you are doing the previous step, she's just basically telling you that she's not ready and she need more warming up.

I can only do step 1. The rest is too scary for me.. I'm scared as hell of doing kino

Gangster Of Love said:

you set up situations where she's the one initiating, etc.

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I LIKE this piece of advice. Get creative. We could give some ideas about How to make Her initiate (i.e. Playfulness, being playful, using props), but it's better for a man to *think* for himself, in the moment, to use whatever comes to your mind to "get her to initiate" touching.

I've had a girl in high school, grab my hand while at a table of 10 or so people drinking and drag me back to a bedroom in the house and start french kissing me and fvcking. I have no idea what spurred her to do it, I was drunk and not even talking to her, maybe hadn't said one word to her the whole night. Who knows wtf happened?

Oh yeah, Now I remember: a few nights before, I had laid on the couch with her and massaged her feet, plus she'd had a crush on me since grade school.

lokariototal said:

I can only do step 1. The rest is too scary for me.. I'm scared as hell of doing kino

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if you can't go past step 1, your in trouble dude for the rest of your life. you wont be able to find a girl because KINO is basically foreplay and many girls like this!

Poonani Maker said:

I LIKE this piece of advice. Get creative. We could give some ideas about How to make Her initiate (i.e. Playfulness, being playful, using props), but it's better for a man to *think* for himself, in the moment, to use whatever comes to your mind to "get her to initiate" touching.

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making a stupid or dumb funny comment about them will cause them to initiate the touching, if they like you. just keep joking them and see if they react by punching you!

with me, im a muay thai amateur fighter so if a girl punches me, i would reach with a round house (a light one) and then come in for a clinch and throw a knee (but of course im really not hurting them, all im doing is using it as a KINO on them). one time, i did a clinch on a girl, then instead of throwing knees, i gave her a kiss on the cheek!

Negs also allow them to initiate kino sometimes. Try them out too.