"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
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"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
Johnny Wolf
Don Juan
2. Playfully ask her to "kiss it" it won't make her feel like a slut, like asking her for a *******, suck your di*k, give you head, would.
squirrels
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I've used that line before...it's never really worked, but she's never gotten offended, and she's always at least stroked me off.Johnny Wolf said:
Once she's in heat, she's not going to get offended if you ask her to go down on it. Just act like she wants it anyway and you're "offering her the opportunity" instead of begging for it yourself. It's a privelege for her to suck you off.
mani99
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"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
squirrels
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Selfish. But I love going down on chicks, so I'd probably do that first without any expectation of reciprocation. Sometimes she gets so hot from that that she'll either reciprocate or let you hit it outright.mani99 said:
Vulpine
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Myself, if things are at that point and she's not initiating on her own, I usually say something like "Erhem... you'd be better off to do your thing first, trust me." along with a little nudge, nod, or look south. Usually you'll get a "Huh?" look, followed by the "ooOOhhh" look, then instant compliance, without anything else said. But, I make sure to do this the first or second time I sex a chick. The reason is, they'll be left with: "Wow! He was right! I'm going to remember that for next time!" And, that sets the standard right from the start.
However, some chicks are just shy to initiate like you mentioned, Amoka. In those cases, what I do is go about business without making any big deal of it. If I get through the whole thing without her reciprocating at some point, then I know that for next time. From then on, (or after 2 or three times to demonstrate that the prowess isn't a fluke, or her lack of receprocation is the norm) I don't go down on her anymore (Why bother?). If it turns out that she brings it up ("Why don't you go down on me? Do I smell funny?"), I'll explain to her: "Reciprocation is important to me. It demonstrates equal efforts and involvement. You scratch my back, I scratch yours: fair is fair. You, Missy, have yet to reciprocate, so I've reduced my efforts to equal yours."
Of course, you get the "but I don't do that" bvllsh!t sometimes. In which case, you've already set yourself up for the: "Well then, neither will I: it's not fair. Those chicks aren't worth staying with for any period time. I call it a huge red flag: it demonstrates that she's incompatable because she is selfish, sucks in the sack, and unrealistic.
I have a hard enough time staying with "spitters" just because of their unrealistic views. Be it that they spit because of the texture or the taste, it doesn't make ANY sense to get up (and fux up the flow and mood of the scene) and go to the bathroom (or wherever) to spit. Why would you keep a load in your mouth for LONGER? It doesn't make sense. Gulp it down, I'll hand you the water, and we can get back to the business at hand. As for the chicks that spit that sh!t on your stomach, they get handed the spuzz rag and told: "What the fux? Clean that sh!t up."
Handle it based on how important it is to you.
Bible_Belt
Master Don Juan
To each his own, but imo, no way. Giving oral is submissive behavior. That does not make it a bad idea altogether, but I insist that a woman give it a lot more than she gets it, and do the deed the right way. Complainers get no reciprocation from me. That is my view of the dominant role in the relationship - insisting that your needs be met as a prerequisite for meeting her needs. It's not that difficult to turn a woman on without doing that one act. When she's hot and bothered, she will do what you tell her. Most women are submissive by nature.
Vulpine
Master Don Juan
I'm fully and completely in control of a woman when I'm down there. You did know that all the controls are located there, didn't you? Steering wheel, gas, clutch, brake, dimmer switch, volume control... they're all located right there in a woman's crotch.
My favorite control is the "eject" function. Where you get a woman just about to "O" and hold her at the brink there for about 10-15 minutes, then...
get up and leave.
:crackup:
Talk about a mind job.
“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”
You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.
I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.
Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.
These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.
Rollo Tomassi
Master Don Juan
Vulpine
Master Don Juan
Amen.Rollo Tomassi said:
This is the "hope" or "fantasy" method.Rollo Tomassi said:
"Oh, I do hope this knight in shining armor knows how to work my controls. I'd do anything just to know, like, go down on him."
EDIT: I just re-read that. RT means "at the time of asking", not "over time".
I practice a different method: the take away. (EDIT: best over time)
She got off.
Yep, she got off again.
Oh look, she got off. Surprised?
Ooops. Dang. She got off. Did you need to guess?
She didn't get off.
She didn't get off.
She didn't get off.
She didn't get off.
She didn't get off.
V: "Start suckin'."
HB: "Mmm, Hmm."
SoCalMike
Senior Don Juan
Yes yes yes. This is spot on. I'd add though that you can go down on her, just not too long and like you said don't make her cvm.Rollo Tomassi said:
After you've got her horny, lie on your back and put her on top of you and make out. Take off your shirt and she'll kiss your chest and usually it progresses down south.
kingwilliam
Senior Don Juan
What I have always done is get the girl really turned on, and while yer making out with her, slowly look up at the ceiling (or if you're on your back look "up" at the headboard area. This will guide her lips lower, to your neck. After doing this she will naturally start kissing on your neck area......let out a heavy breath to let her think she's really driving you crazy, and then stretch your neck even farther which puts her mouth on your chest area......add a few more heavy breaths to build her confidence, and then gently guide her head down your stomach and around your belly button area.....let her kiss there for a few seconds and then lean back....which will give her the hint.
Put yourself in her position, is she was nudging your head toward her happy spot you'd be licking like a freakin dog....
women are usually just as eager to get freaky as we are.
This is a technique that I have used successfully many, many times over the years. I would say there is about a 75-80% success rate with this technique.
P.S. One thing I've always noticed is that if you really, really want her to go downstairs, she usually will.....there's some kind of body language or something that communicates this to the woman subconsciously..............
my .02
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"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Bible_Belt
Master Don Juan
Wow, shame on the men of the world who put up with that bs.
edger
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Exactly!Old Buck said:
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.