Isn’t this a rather narrow range of creativity? More or less you’re just putting on a show? Wouldn’t women find you more interesting if you had knowledge in a wide variety of subjects that you could carry on engaging conversations with?

potato said:

Isn’t this a rather narrow range of creativity? More or less you’re just putting on a show? Wouldn’t women find you more interesting if you had knowledge in a wide variety of subjects that you could carry on engaging conversations with?

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narrow? who cares? it's the exact range of creativity that gives me success with women.

sure, i'm putting on a show... but it's not just for her... i amuse myself in the process... and it's not a fake show... this is who i am. a non-boring person

and no! women would not find me more interesting if i became boring... ben stein might find me more interesting, but i'm not sure how good the head is he could give me.

i'm not trying to win jeopardy here... just some love and affection... and... filthy sex

engaging conversations aren't limited to suicidal seriousness... i can have an engaging... even deep conversation... and still keep my lil pop tart's smile warm

...

Thanks a lot for all the replies guys!

Now... I gotta admit something:


I WAS TOTALLY WRONG
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Not really... but... Frankly, I should have been a little bit more detailed.
See, I was afraid of letting this first post getting too long.

Now, let me explain myself - and Interceptor, you're no dummie
at all ;-)

What this thing is all about is really simple: Moving the line between
Theory and practice.

You see, lots of the new guys around here (and unfortunately the
old members as well) seems to suffer from some sort of information
overload.

BUT IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT
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Let me break it down for you - and I hope some of you can relate.

When I first got registered here I really needed help with women. Seriously,
I didn't really have any friends, no girls and uh... I almost forgot...
no confidence or belief at all. I didn't know how to kiss a girl, call her up
or even talk to her. Nothing at all!

I wanted the whole world to go **** itself! I didn't want anything to be
"my fault". Anyway....

I stumbled up a ebook by Derek Vitalio (I know, he's no famous around here at all... think I found it from google adsense) which was about... oh... can you guess?

How to get girls.

I pulled out my debit card and paid 50-something-dollars.


A NEW WORLD OPENED UP TO ME
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I locked myself in and stayed home for 4-5 days or something. And, I was
learning so much... (I guess you can relate) All these techniques and sequenses, lines theories, everything.

I gotta tell you it felt a little bit stupid to read a book about how to get confidence and women, but well... i've always been open minded.

I felt great! I'd never felt that confidence with women. I had figured it out!
I knew more than all my friends about dating and girls and how the female mind works.

I was reborn, this total new person!

OR WAS I?
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Everything felt great, it was just that... there was something missing:

I hadn't really tried anything out yet in the real world. I mean, of course
i knew everything but you know... I WOULD try it later.

It was just that... well... maybe I should learn a little bit more. This Derek
Vitalio guy couldn't possibly be the only guy in the world that knew about
this stuff. So, maybe I should learn some more from a different angle.

After all... if I could learn this much from this one book, imagine how
powerful my knowledge would be if I doubled it.

So, I went out online again, to google.com and started to type in
stuff like "how to meet women, how to get girls, how to get
confidence, Derek Vitalio," etc. etc. etc.


AND THERE IT WAS - SOSUAVE.NET
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Wow, a whole world of guys discussing this. They would post feedback
in real time and get instant feedback on issues like how to get phone numbers, call up, send text messages, dealing with objections, closing,
etc. etc. etc.

I would practice and learn it all. To perfection!

LETS STOP THERE FOR A SECOND
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See where I'm going with this? Well, seriously, it's the real story. If you
press my nickname you can go back to 2004 and look at my first posts.

I posted new topics and asked on detailed issues in order to know what
to do next. And I mean very detailed. Just watch em and you'll see. It's
kinda stupid but well... we've all been there.

And that's my point. Is that the way to go, or should we move the line
between theory and practice a little bit.

I'm not talking about giving up the theory to a 100%. No way! But, for the
most time, I think we - as humans and members of this board - are afraid
of what would happen when we have to deal with our own issues and
answer our own questions.

The way I did it was spending at least one hour a day studying theory at
this board. I would read everything. And then I would find topics about
how wrong it was to stay infront of the computer studying. That you
should go out for at least 1 hour a day instead and "field approach".

IS THAT THE WAY TO GO?
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Have you ever thought about how stupid that is? To go out and just walk
around for one hour, with a dedication to pick up women. Really guys, talk
about desperation... (?)

I mean, I used to do that aswell, until I found a job which required me to
approach people on the street (field sales) .

Ask a couple of friends who's not enlighted with this pick up industry and
they'll probably tell you the same thing.

Because.. if you think about it it's not a normal thing to do. It's okay
to talk to people you don't know - but walking up to them out of nowhere
when they're just minding their own business - and you're out there on
this one mission to pick them up? C'mon:

Go ahead and approach everyone you meet, but do it in your normal life:

When you're waiting on the buss.
Or having a coffee with your friends.
Or just chilling and hanging out in town or in a mall.


SO WHERE AM I GOING WITH THIS?
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My point to this long story is really really simple:

(And for those of you who scrolled down to get my final point - you're cool
too)

Instead of spending 80% of your time going back to this board and post
questions about issues and map our details on how to deal with this one
girl or this one problem) consider this:

What would you do if you didn't have the theories and methods around?

I mean ... it's nothing wrong or anything with learning how the system works
and the proccess of closing a deal - but really: Sometimes these guys that
makes these theories up ... well... they're making it TOO DAMN COMPLICATED.

It's not rocket science, and it shouldn't be either. Just because there's
theories around doesn't mean we have to use them. And if your role model
is guys like Neil Strauss, Mystery and other "Gurus" out there, consider this:

They're CHARACTERS. And they're created are created to sell a story. A story
about how you can do it too (the only thing you need to do is buy some stuff
from them). Yes there... I said it: They're not real!

They're cool guys and everything, but there's a slight problem with their
methods and theories:

It works for them! And that's it. Of course it work for other people
aswell, but never as good as it does for them. Why?

That's the way theories work. A theory is nothing but the practice mapped
out on a piece of paper. It's a detailed breakdown of something that works
for someone else.


HOW TO GET A PHONE NUMBER IN 10 SEC.
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I have theories aswell. Good once. I have a way I can get a phone number
from a girl in less then 10 seconds. I'm not kidding. And it works like every
time. I just do my stuff and then she writes me her number. If I add a little
twist to it I can get the girl to write down her deepest sexual fantasies aswell.

And I can teach it to you for free. No problem. It's just that... if I don't go
into details about why the stuff works for me, it will never work for you.
Because there are more things to it then just the lines and the social psychology.

And that's my point! What works for me will never work asgood for you.
... You gotta find your own way, and you gotta let go of the theories and
methods on how to get phone numbers and kiss close and everything.

Spend 10% of your time studying, and 90% living your life.
And never dedicate yourself to picking up girls. It's just stupid and
a waist of time.

Hell yeah it's funny... but it won't make you happy.



Anyway, hope that cleared my point out a little bit. Keep the comments
coming.

"to get results you have to experiment, but without looking at previous research and learning science, you are making it harder for yourself. i guess the main point of this thread is that you have to take ACTION. that is the ONLY way you will get results."

That's a cool way of saying it Noob.

Sweet.

I like how you just keep it simple. Hes right, just call and ask out. A bit wordy though

Zack77766:

Thanks! Well, sometimes things get complicated just because we believe they are. Simplicity is very powerful sometimes.

Of course there ARE ways to use methods, but only if we use them RIGHT.

Ego, I don't suferr from any 'information overload". Just so you know. LOL

And the 'just do it" approach can come after you have gained Wisdom.
But the males that come here looking for knowledge don't have the Wisdom.
The Wisodm can oly come from the combination of 'book smarts: and 'street smarts".
In other words, you seem to be describing that what you did to help YOU, is 'too compplicated".
You seem to describe that you didn't 'know anything", then you 'learned from a book", and then 'you went out and applied", and then you either GOT Success or GOT Failure.

You then went back, and then ANALYZED the situaiton to IMPROVE results.

This is what I have been describing for the past couple of pages, which your orignal premise DISAGREED with.

I think you're so enraptured with this so much you are contradicting yourself.


You seem to be glossing over that there needs to be Wisdom and Intellectual, and EXPERIENTIAL Knowledge in order to 'just do it."

zack77766 said:

I like how you just keep it simple. Hes right, just call and ask out. A bit wordy though

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Bit ironic? Isn't it?

That can usually mean that it is complicated, not 'simple", it has many PARTS to it.

In other words, it is "Elegant."


What is "IT"?

The natural 'language" or "Method" of natural mating by humans.

(there are many steps to mate selection, as you know. and there are many hindrances to that selection as well. Navigating them is often the goals, but even the basic foundation of understanding attraction and seduction is neglected)

Has it changed since we were primal?

Not so much.

But it has gotten more complicated. Why?
Bad parenting
Abnormal childhoods
Mental illnesses by the dozen
Medications
Societial standards
unattractive facial features or body
Birth defects
Social Conditioning.
Society
Media
Advertising
More psychological disorders
More beta like DNA
Diseases
nutritional deficiencies
environments
lower Testosterone levels in males

(sure, some of these would not have been given much thought bakc in the day, but NOW? Society has CHANGED. We must acknowledge that some things HAVE changed. Civilizayion is not the EXACT same as before. There are more compication simply because Man has changed is environment, expectations, and now standards have evolved, for good or bad. It is there. We need to combine our Intellectual ability, with our intuitive, and SHREWDNESS to be able to SUCEED.)

..bunch of things that are affecting the natural mating process nowadays.

And to say we are OVER Complicating this, is an OVER Simplification.



Guy see girl he likes.

Guy walks over to say "wanna dance?"

Girl says "no, you're ugly."

Success?

Guy sees girl he likes.

Guy goes up to girl and asks "Wanna dance?"

Girls says "No, I have a BF."

Guy sees girl he likes.

Guy goes up to girl and asks "Wanna dance?"

Girls says "Sure"

They dance. Guy is ecstatic, he is IN LOVE!!!
girl then says "Oh BTW, I have a BF."

Success?


Guys sees girl he likes.

Guys goes up to girl and asks "Wanna dance?"

Girls says "No, but my GF will."

Success?

Guy sees girl he likes.

guy goes up to girl and asks "Wanna dance?"

Girl says "Sure,give me 20 dollars."

Guy gives her the money.

Girls walks off.

Success?

"just do it?"

At the end of the day, as Men.you MUST know that YES, fellas..you NEED to 'get it". Figuratively, Literally, and SYMBOLICALLY.

WHEN you feel the 'splinter in your mind."

And you are trying to figure out WHAT, WHEN , WHY, and HOW...

PART of the solution IS to "EXPERIENCE",

But it is NOT , nor EVER will be the ENTIRE Solution.

You have a RIGHT brain, and a LEFT brain.
USE them.

Use them BOTH.

And "get it."


We are debating this so YOU gentlemen can BENEFIT.

And live the lives you want to LIVE.

In many cases, "Just do it." is good advice.

Sometimes, it is not.

WHat is the difference?

The CONTEXT of the decision.

Under what context are you making this decsion?

When dealing with Approach Anxiety, sometimes this is good advice.
When dealing with a man who has difficult psychological issues, sometimes it turns out this is NOT good advice.
Perhaps it would be better for the man to go back and try to do some self analysis, and try to work out some of his personal issues away from 'approaching' or 'sarging".

Sometimes, the man is at the right time TO GO forth and 'approach', 'sarge',and 'just do it."

What about if you find out you GF is cheating on you?
How does that advice appply?

What about when you found out you got your GF pregnant?
How does that advice apply?

What if you found out your GF has a rare disease, and you've been wanting to break up with her for the last 3 months?

How does that advice apply?

Just do "WHAT" exactly?

Go out AND Experience, AND come back and ANALYZE as well.
There's a time to just do it, and a time to reflect.

Book smarts AND street smarts.
Intuition FROM your environment, and Conscience from your Intellect.

This is life.
This is maturity.

Why?

Because THAT is the correct 'road" to Success.

The most successful people in the world just went for it. Thomas Edison didn’t learn from a book how to make a light bulb. He got the idea, tried a few different ways and learned as he went. Albert Einstein didn’t learn about General Relativity. He started with an idea and just kept plugging away until he found a way for it to work.

The men who are most successful with women do not study how to get women books and articles. They knew what they wanted and found a way to get it. By trying, by experimenting.

Men have been having sex with women for as long as there have been humans. It is something that comes naturally. No one ever told me how to ask a girl out, no one ever told me when or how to kiss a girl, no one ever told me when or how to have sex with a girl but when the time came, I intuitively knew. What is there to learn? What can you teach that is not obvious?

Here is a clue. There are roughly as many women as there are men. Most women would like to have a man in their life, would like to have sex. So what is so hard? It’s not like you’re trying to put a tu tu on an uncooperative bull.

What do you get from teaching guys about PUA and all the Don Juan stuff? You get a bunch of guys who really don’t understand women thinking they know everything there is to know about women. And it’s all crap. Look at any seduction web site and you see the same idiocy. All you get is a bunch of guys sitting around telling each other how to get women but with no respect to those women, or even liking them, let alone understanding them.

Proclamations from the so-called seduction community aside, I have yet to see where it actually makes guys better with women. I have yet to be convinced where just being yourself and going for women on your own level is not the best advise when going for women. Guys who follow that route don’t have the flake problems that are talked about so often here.

Is an INVENTION the same as a SKILL?

And did Edison and Einstein ever read a book, or at the very least think about their progress and how to succeed, or not?

Men have been having sex with women for as long as there have been humans

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Then how do you explain this site?
What made men, and women have the difficulties they are facing now?

Is that all an interaction between a man and a women is, a skill? Is breathing a skill? Walking? Or is it just what comes naturally. Whenever I’ve gotten together with a woman, there is a biological function going on, the whole chemistry bit. I don’t have to know how it works, just that it does. I don’t have to read a book to know how I feel or even how she feels. It’s what comes naturally.

Interceptor said:

Then how do you explain this site?

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Social retardation, ugliness, insecurities.

What on this site makes guys any better with women? It is little more than a bunch of long winded mumbo jumbo that doesn’t really mean anything. Then you get a bunch of guys complaining about women in between their proclamations of banging hors.

potato said:

What on this site makes guys any better with women? It is little more than a bunch of long winded mumbo jumbo that doesn’t really mean anything. Then you get a bunch of guys complaining about women in between their proclamations of banging hors.

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You know you are the company you keep right?

If you think this site has no value then you should take a hike.

This site has helped me. I wish I would have had something like this back when I was a teen.

It's not a "site". It's actual men discussing things that matter to them, and women are on top of that list. By discussing women at the outset, you end up discussing ALL of life because it's all connected.

But again, why are you wasting your time here?

Don't you have autographs to sign at your celebrity impersonators convention? :woo:

I am getting bored with all of this. Plus, as I keep reading some of the more “enlightened” posts to my girlfriend she either laughs or asks me why I keep talking to a bunch of losers.

I’ve been looking through several of these types of web sites and I’ve yet to be convinced that any PUAs or Don Juan wannabes really know anything about women. Not really and nothing about attraction. That’s always the big deal isn’t it, learning attraction by gaming, ha, ha, ha. Until you can “game” a crowd of women into mobbing you, or walk into almost anyplace and have the eyes of nearly every woman upon you, I doubt any of you really understand attraction.

Did I read it in a book? No, I just looked at the women around me and decided that I could be the type of man that every women wanted and just went for it.

Yes I come here to laugh at you. I also go to religious sites and laugh at them. Part of the problem is so many separate themselves from reality and from nature that they fail to see what is before them. You all complain about the matrix but you all are the matrix.

potato said:

I am getting bored with all of this. Plus, as I keep reading some of the more “enlightened” posts to my girlfriend she either laughs or asks me why I keep talking to a bunch of losers.

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Good, we're both asking the same question. I can't imagine anything more pathetic than spending time talking to a bunch of people you don't like about things you don't care about.

Leave before more of it rubs off on you.

Yes I come here to laugh at you.

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Funny, Mr. "soft blue eyes that makes women melt", but I think the "joke" is on you...

potato said:

I am getting bored with all of this. Plus, as I keep reading some of the more “enlightened” posts to my girlfriend she either laughs or asks me why I keep talking to a bunch of losers.

I’ve been looking through several of these types of web sites and I’ve yet to be convinced that any PUAs or Don Juan wannabes really know anything about women. Not really and nothing about attraction. That’s always the big deal isn’t it, learning attraction by gaming, ha, ha, ha. Until you can “game” a crowd of women into mobbing you, or walk into almost anyplace and have the eyes of nearly every woman upon you, I doubt any of you really understand attraction.

Did I read it in a book? No, I just looked at the women around me and decided that I could be the type of man that every women wanted and just went for it.

Yes I come here to laugh at you. I also go to religious sites and laugh at them. Part of the problem is so many separate themselves from reality and from nature that they fail to see what is before them. You all complain about the matrix but you all are the matrix.

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I still think you're either a woman or a guy who's trolling. Either way you are a troll. You're even worse than the OP pvssyeater. At least he means well.