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Its is possible to deserve respect and not get it.
Its possible to get respect that you don't deserve.
Its possible to want respect that you don't deserve, and to not believe you are owed the respect you do deserve.

The most important respect is internal.
If you respect yourself, whether or not other people respect you is a lot less important.
 

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Its is possible to deserve respect and not get it.
Its possible to get respect that you don't deserve.
Its possible to want respect that you don't deserve, and to not believe you are owed the respect you do deserve.

The most important respect is internal.
If you respect yourself, whether or not other people respect you is a lot less important.
pls describe in detail how you know that respect is happening. what actions do you notice. as you can not read the mind of another you must decide based on actions.

for example someone tells "that's not respectful" and another tells, "yes it is"
 

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Hello friends! I came across a descriptive post on types of attachment.
This is very relevant to anyone who has had this type of relationship, and felt as if they were fathering a little girl

**Making Sense of Something That Once Seemed Impossibly Cruel**

I call it the analogy of **“The Warrior and the Child.”**

If you have ever been left by someone who deeply loved you—someone who rushed toward a future with you and then suddenly disappeared—you know how confusing it can be. It feels like betrayal. It feels like the love was a lie.

But I’ve learned that the love was never the lie. **The shutdown that followed was the lie**, and understanding it is the only way to survive it.

Here’s how it works.

### The Two Parts Inside Them

Fearful-avoidants live in a fragmented inner world. There are many ways to describe it, but the simplest is this: **there is a Warrior, and there is a Child.**

The **Child** is the part of them that loves. It is innocent, trusting, and deeply longs for connection. It wants to be held, to feel safe, to be chosen. It rushes toward connection and a future because it has finally found something real.

The Child is not naïve; it is the truest and most beautiful part of them. It is the version of them that existed before the abuse, before the chaos, before the lessons that love is dangerous.

The **Warrior** is the part that protects the Child.

The Warrior grew up in a war zone. It learned that vulnerability means death. That intimacy is a trap. That people who claim to love you will eventually hurt you.

The Warrior is not malicious; it is a survival mechanism. It built walls around the Child to keep it safe, and for years, those walls worked. They kept the Child alive through abuse, betrayal, and abandonment.

### When Love Arrives

When a truly safe, consistent, and patient partner comes along—someone who doesn’t punish, doesn’t judge, and doesn’t leave—the Child begins to peek out.

It feels safe. It begins to love. It dreams. It trusts.

But the Warrior is watching.

The Warrior sees the growing closeness and doesn’t register it as safety. It registers it as a threat.

Because in the Warrior’s experience, every time someone got this close, the Child was hurt.

Every time.

The Warrior doesn’t believe in exceptions. Its job is to prevent another catastrophe.

So when intimacy becomes too deep—when commitment gets closer, or a promise becomes too real—the Warrior panics.

Not with a quiet warning, but with a scream.

And the Warrior’s tools are powerful: **shutdown, numbness, and escape.**

The Warrior literally disconnects the Child from its own feelings. The love doesn’t die. It is locked away, behind a dissociative wall, where the Child cannot reach it and the Warrior cannot be hurt by it.

### The Tragedy of the Breakup

This is why fearful-avoidants often leave at the moment of greatest safety, not at the moment of crisis.

They don’t run because the love was fake.

**They run because the love was so real that it terrified the Warrior into a complete shutdown.**

And here is the cruelest part:

The Warrior thinks it is protecting the Child.

But it isn’t.

**It is imprisoning it.**

The Child longs for love, safety, and the very connection that the Warrior is destroying.

The Child is locked inside a cage, and the Warrior holds the key, convinced it is doing the right thing.

The person you loved hasn’t disappeared.

**They are still in there.**

They are simply behind a wall, guarded by a terrified protector who has not yet realized that you are not the enemy.

### What Doesn’t Work

* **Chasing.** If you chase, you confirm the Warrior’s belief that you are a threat. The walls go up.
* **Becoming toxic or unpredictable.** If you suddenly become chaotic in an attempt to “activate” their attachment, you become exactly what the Warrior was trained to fight. You lose yourself, and you may lose them forever.

### What Might Work: The Open Door

The only thing that has ever given the Warrior a reason to retreat is **consistent, non-demanding, predictable safety over time.**

This is the **“open door.”**

It means:

* Staying warm without applying pressure.
* Sending light, brief messages that ask for nothing.
* Never punishing their silence.
* Continuing to live your own life—not as a sanctuary waiting for them, but as a whole and independent person.
* Trusting that the Child still remembers, and that one day the Warrior might lay down its sword.

This isn’t passive.

It is one of the most difficult and heartbreaking forms of love there is.

It is love without a guarantee.

It is a kind of love that says:

**“I will remain, even if you never come back, because the real you deserves to know that someone, finally, did not become the thing that hurt you.”**

### A Final Note

If you have been left by a fearful-avoidant, **you are not crazy.**

The love was real.

The Child meant every bit of the love it showed.

The Warrior was simply too terrified to let it continue reaching for you.

And if you are the Warrior reading this, please know:

**The war is over.**

The person who loves you is not the enemy.

**Lay down your sword.**

The Child inside you is still there, and it deserves to be free.
As you can imagine, the suggestion here is that if a woman has all these issues, a securely attached man should be there for her throughout this process.
He should live the door open.

Can you imagine the immense disrespect that would result from being in a relationship like that?
How could a woman like that respect you for staying there when she had so much to use you for all this time?
 

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Its a thin line between respect, ego, insecurities, prison and the graveyard.

Choose wisely.
 

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Its a thin line between respect, ego, insecurities, prison and the graveyard.

Choose wisely.
I would think some man might also see that as an opportunity to grow their emotional resilience, also for some, it could look like a mission
 

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Ofcourse. The answer is yes and no...you can deserve respect and yet dont recieve any from others. But ...who cares? Because the last thing you want is giving others the power to decide your worth.

So , as Witney used to sing in her smash hit( the greatest love of all is inside of me).

Thats also the conundrum of the manospere/redpill and VERY few will acknowledge this( and this is why I'm "against " relationships in general) ; you based all your worth on the fickle opinion and feeling from a woman...now you're "fighting " to get respected by someone who clearly lost respect for you, keeping you in this framework. Any other person you need in your life is a possible leakage as you cant control others. But..YOU can control YOU...

At the same time you will also have to be your own hardest judge and jury; ANYTHING you do will either build your kingdom or dig your grave...anything! Pron, addiction, chasing fun..
Can all be detrimental. Working on yourself, learning and growing...can all be beneficiary.

I look at these things black / white. Not for everyone, I get it..
 

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Bad cycle: Your woman behaves badly, pursues another man, so you try even harder, prove yourself more worthy, offend or beat the other man, and now you're convinced you're "bigger" than the other man, and that she's yours, forever.

Good cycle: The woman behaves badly, pursues another man, so you call her out on it, point it out, and if she doesn't change within a week, you walk away. If she changes, then she also know that she has no chance of doing this again in the future.

Am I wrong?
 
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