Isn't DayGame a lot easier if you're Chad-tier?

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

The typical man is going on dates with women that he hasn't smashed yet.

Yeah, because a typical man tends to think, typically.

One way to avoid going on dates without smashing is to get same night sex from bar approaches.

Sure..

Or..

This is becoming more difficult in the 2020s with less of an approach culture at bars. A man might buy 1-2 drinks for a woman at a bar to get the same night sex from a prospect but there's no date. Some guys can get same night sex at a bar without buying the woman a drink. She had drinks at the bar before he approached.

Yeah, the old "Can I buy you a drink?" approach.

That was always simp shiit to me.

Daygame approaches often lead to traditional dates.

Because the average man is traditional.

 

[Bigpapa]

Taking a woman out of a date that you haven't smashed yet, is shameful.

You have to go on a date with a girl, no matter where you meet her

She could come to your place directly, but you will miss a lot of opportunities it you are too rigid

no girl likes cheap guys or guys who do not put at least a decent effort

maybe trolls, but I think that it should come with a disclaimer “ tactics on how to deal with cave trolls “

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

You have to go on a date with a girl, no matter where you meet her

You who?

 

[Bigpapa]

You who?

Not a keyboard jockey

 

[SW15]

the old "Can I buy you a drink?" approach.

That was always simp shiit to me.

When doing nightgame, there's not a need to buy a drink in the approach. It's not a good idea to start an approach with a drink buy. It might be worth doing in the middle of an approach.

The subject of this thread is daygame. Daygame, if executed well, can be a substitute for nightgame approaching. Fewer daygamers get to the level where they can get enough options from their non-bar approaches. Most daygamers do end up supplementing their daygame efforts with nightgame or swipe apps.

One of my friends was so excellent at nightgame that he never bothered with daygame because his nightgame outcomes were so good.

Daygame does prove that buying drinks isn't necessary to escalate an initial seduction.

Most daygamers will propose a future social outing in a bar to end an approach. I think this is more common than proposing an activity date or getting the female to come over to his home on their next get together.

 

[BaronOfHair]

One of my friends was so excellent at nightgame that he never bothered with daygame because his nightgame outcomes were so good.

It's quite a stretch to label slipping through a UOH co-ed's window in the middle of the night(Bowie Knife, stun gun, and zip ties in tow) "game" of any sort

 

[Divorced w 3]

You have to go on a date with a girl, no matter where you meet her

She could come to your place directly, but you will miss a lot of opportunities it you are too rigid

no girl likes cheap guys or guys who do not put at least a decent effort

maybe trolls, but I think that it should come with a disclaimer “ tactics on how to deal with cave trolls “

The one night stand falsifies this claim

 

[Bigpapa]

The one night stand falsifies this claim

still a date, getting her a drink or grabbing something to eat after

the one night stands where you do not do any of that are extremely rare occasions

For this topic to be actually of any value, we need more than strawman arguments

 

[SW15]

You have to go on a date with a girl, no matter where you meet her

She could come to your place directly, but you will miss a lot of opportunities it you are too rigid

The one night stand falsifies this claim

The one night stand demonstrates that there is no need for a date.

There are 4 basic ways to meet women to start sexualized interactions

1. Night game (mainly bars, nightclubs, and restaurants, with some events falling into this categorization)
2. Day game (mainly non-bar venues)
3. Tech methods (dating apps, dating websites, social media platform direct messages)
4. Social circle

If a woman is met via night game in a bar/nightclub, an instance of same night sex is possible. A guy could meet a woman in a bar at 11:30 PM in a nightlife venue and he could be having sex with her by 1-2 AM. No pre-planned social outing commonly called a date required. This is the best way to avoid the pre-planned social outing that is known as a date.

In day game meetings, a date is usually going to happen for the man to get sex. It's highly unlikely to meet a woman in a park at 1 PM on a Saturday afternoon and then be having sex with her by 3 PM. Same day sex is very unlikely. Most daygame interactions led to a future social outing on a separate day. For instance, the 1 PM Saturday approach in the park will lead to a Monday or Tuesday night first date at a bar. It might even take multiple dates to get to sex.

When a man meets a woman through tech methods, the typical process involves him setting a real life meeting in a bar for drinks or a restaurant for a meal (if he's a beta who doesn't know better). This is a date. First sex date off of a tech method meeting is possible, but doesn't happen for most tech method daters. Top tier men who set good logistics get the first date sex. Some other men (middle tier on looks often) will get 2nd - 4th date sex off of an interaction started from a tech method. Some top tier men can on rare occasions can get a woman to come straight to his home for sex. This happened more during the 2020-early 2022 pandemic era period.

Social circle created interactions usually led to a future social outing known as a date. It would be unusual to see same night sex happen off of a social circle interaction, even if the meeting happened at a private residence party. There are also many ways that social circle interactions happen, so I can't cover all of social circle game in one paragraph. The most important point is that social circle interactions usually involve a future date.

This thread is supposed to be centered around daygame, so daygame usually requires a date.

 

[Divorced w 3]

still a date, getting her a drink or grabbing something to eat after

the one night stands where you do not do any of that are extremely rare occasions

For this topic to be actually of any value, we need more than strawman arguments

The best hookups I have ever had cost nothing. I’ve fvcked multiple women without buying them anything. I have been smashing this one woman for years here and there and I finally, for the first time like 4 months ago, bought her chipotle, because it was late. Not only that, I blew her off, more times than you’d even believe. I nailed this girl from the office last fall and she insisted on buying everything but were indirect colleagues and I couldn’t do it.

I’m not the one making straw man arguments. I always speak from personal experience.

 

[Bigpapa]

The best hookups I have ever had cost nothing. I’ve fvcked multiple women without buying them anything. I have been smashing this one woman for years here and there and I finally, for the first time like 4 months ago, bought her chipotle, because it was late. Not only that, I blew her off, more times than you’d even believe. I nailed this girl from the office last fall and she insisted on buying everything but were indirect colleagues and I couldn’t do it.

I’m not the one making straw man arguments. I always speak from personal experience.

Dunno man, what you say is not my experience or guys that I know and some being really smooth with girls

I guess that if you focus on that it could very well explain your experience, but you would miss a lot more opportunities playing it very tight

either that, either you are a super magnetic dude that plays at cosmic level

 

[Divorced w 3]

Dunno man, what you say is not my experience or guys that I know and some being really smooth with girls

I guess that if you focus on that it could very well explain your experience, but you would miss a lot more opportunities playing it very tight

either that, either you are a super magnetic dude that plays at cosmic level

Im not playing anything tight. Quite the opposite. If you do it right, the environment js the backdrop and slowly fades out as the rapport and connection develop. But as you can see around here, I make friends everywhere I go

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

When doing nightgame, there's not a need to buy a drink in the approach. It's not a good idea to start an approach with a drink buy. It might be worth doing in the middle of an approach.

I can't even say I'll buy her a drink in the middle of an approach.

I'll explain on one of my chronicles.

The subject of this thread is daygame. Daygame, if executed well, can be a substitute for nightgame approaching.

Daygame can be a substitute, and it has been..for me.

The only thing great about nightgame is the possibility of "same night lay" situations..and/or increased chances of getting physical with targeted women on the same night.

And more often than not, alcohol is involved with nightgame..and I don't like intoxicated exchanges (I don't drink, never did).

I look at nightgame the same way I look at cartoons...I grew out of it, although I may watch them from time to time...but overall it's not my thing anymore.

Ain't knocking it, though.

Fewer daygamers get to the level where they can get enough options from their non-bar approaches.

Then they don't approach enough women

Most daygamers do end up supplementing their daygame efforts with nightgame or swipe apps.

Understandable.

One of my friends was so excellent at nightgame that he never bothered with daygame because his nightgame outcomes were so good.

Yeah, I remember those days.

But the thing is, if you are the man at bars or clubs, then you should be the man at/in any venue.

The venue doesn't change the man.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

The best hookups I have ever had cost nothing. I’ve fvcked multiple women without buying them anything.

Exactly.

To pay for a date is to lead with your wallet.

A man is supposed to lead with his self first, followed by his wallet and/or resources.

And to your point, once you've had your best hookups without costing you anything...and after you've experienced fuking multiple women without buying them anything, you'll have an epiphany that will change the entire landscape of of what you thought, or have been programmed to think.

It will be a dramatic, "Everything that I was told, was a lie!!" moment.

But, unfortunately, some guys will never get there.

 

[SW15]

I can't even say I'll buy her a drink in the middle of an approach.

I'll explain on one of my chronicles.

Looking forward to seeing that.

Fewer daygamers get to the level where they can get enough options from their non-bar approaches.

Then they don't approach enough women

This is a good point. It is difficult to figure out how many women that a man will need to approach in order to get results from daygame.

Tom Torero laid out realistic expectations that one should have from non-bar approaching.

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What kind of realistic expectations should you have? Well, depending on your starting point, your mileage will vary. But a solid daygamer should be able to get a number from 25% of the girls he approaches. Out of those numbers, 25% should come out on dates. And from those dates, 25% should end up in his bed. If you think those statistics are depressing then look at your ratios for Tinder or dating sites.

Based on this, a daygamer would need to approach 75 women to get 19 phone numbers, 4-5 dates, and 1 new sexual partner. That's using a strong systematic approach like the London Daygame Model. I think a lot of daygamers need to approach more than 75 women to find a new sexual partner. In a better case scenario, it would realistically take most men a while to do the 75 day approaches to find a new sexual partner. Additionally, in going through this, one would probably want that sexual partner to last for some amount of time based on the effort it takes to approach 75 women in non-bar venues.

Blaine Anderson (a fish trying to teach men to catch fish) made a valid point on one of her YouTube Shorts about this. There are times when a man is doing everything correct and he will still fail on approaches.

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Blaine Anderson's example was an example of why non-bar approaching (typically done during daylight/early evening hours) is horribly inefficient though. The majority of women between ages 18-49 aren't seeking new penis at the moment they are approached in a non-bar setting.

I don't want it to seem like I'm crapping on daygame right now. As Torero said, there's going to be a variance in outcome. Daygame is labor intensive due to the natural inefficiencies of it. It takes a lot of approaches, but it also takes a lot of swipes to get anything out of swipe apps.

Chad-tier men are going to have better daygame outcomes.

 

[Solomon]

You have to go on a date with a girl, no matter where you meet her

She could come to your place directly, but you will miss a lot of opportunities it you are too rigid

no girl likes cheap guys or guys who do not put at least a decent effort

maybe trolls, but I think that it should come with a disclaimer “ tactics on how to deal with cave trolls “

Two things can be right I think @We_ArE_VeNOM direct approach will eliminate him from a lot of women but also will cut through a lot of b.s. I do think that hot or quality women, even if they want to bang you will want to go for a drink first. I have a buddy who has not taken a woman out on a date since 2019, but he's a handsome guy for most guys you're going to have to take a woman out on a date or two or three to get the chocohoa.

I think that being direct can work with certain women i.e. women who are highly attracted to you, women just looking to bang and you caught her at the right time, heck even with OLD women etc.
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I notice that women who are 35+ tend to respond far better being direct, personally, whatever is congruent with you and works why not, but IMO direct works the best the hotter you are (or hot to women)

 

[Sega Genesis]

either you are a super magnetic dude that plays at cosmic level

@Bigpapa I've never met @Divorced w 3 but from reading many of his posts and experiences, this^ could very well be true!

I feel the same about @We_ArE_VeNOM whom I've also never met.

They both have somewhat of a "regal" presence from how they describe themselves physically and for lack of a better word a certain "energy."

I'm not sure I would even trust myself in their physical presence!! Lol

Kidding aside, even without that I know women who don't require a formal "date" or any type of date to 'hook up.'

They love sex for sex and don't even want "more" like being taken out on a date.

Which brings me to ask what is a "date" anyway? The whole idea of it sounds so contrived imo.

One person typically the man formally inviting a woman out to spend time with him? For which he pays, and for what the privilege of her company?

I dunno again seems contrived, ritualistic and phony. Never liked it.

Even with my current boyfriend, 8-9 months in, living together and "in love," I don't recall him ever asking me out on a "date."

We simply clicked from the beginning, and would decide "together" what to do and where to go.

It never seemed like some sort of a "proper date" and wouldn't want it to! It was all very spontaneous, natural and organic.

And I'm considered to be a very attractive "high quality" girl with standards! I just dislike this whole "proper date" BS.

He pays mostly (not always I also pay sometimes) but not because of any sense of obligation or "social norms," but because he actually wants to, he enjoys treating me and receives lots back from me in return!

I pay sometimes for the same reason. It gives me pleasure to treat him for all he does for me in so many ways!

Best relationship I've ever had! Genuine give and take and mutual reciprocity for the sheer pleasure of it, not out of obligation or following a social norm.

Anyway... back to subject. Demographics also may play a role. For example downtown versus high end suburbia.

Downtown at least in my neck of the woods, at some bars or clubs (not all), you might witness people who have just met making out and all over each other practically f*cking each other right there!

They end up leaving together and you know it's to hook up - No Date Required!

JMO, observations and experience.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Two things can be right I think @We_ArE_VeNOM direct approach will eliminate him from a lot of women but also will cut through a lot of b.s.

I do think that hot or quality women, even if they want to bang you will want to go for a drink first.

That may or may not be true...but even if it is true, you are to be the man that, even if that's her requirement, she'll make an exception for you.

I have a buddy who has not taken a woman out on a date since 2019, but he's a handsome guy for most guys you're going to have to take a woman out on a date or two or three to get the chocohoa.

The problem with that is; there is a select guy out there who will smash, or have smashed the same woman, without taking her on dates.

Meanwhile, you are taking her on dates to get the puzzy.

So, what is the difference between you taking her on dates to get it, and the guy who didn't have to?

The difference is, her interest in the other guy was high enough to whereas she didn't require it of him, but not so much with you.

Either that, orrrr, the date was never required..you just simply offered to take her on the date and she accepted...because after all, who would pass up a free meal and drinks?

You have to truly understand that part of it...and unless and until you understand that part, you'll be forever stuck in simp land.

I think that being direct can work with certain women i.e. women who are highly attracted to you, women just looking to bang and you caught her at the right time, heck even with OLD women etc.

Right, and I want those women.

I notice that women who are 35+ tend to respond far better being direct, personally, whatever is congruent with you and works why not, but IMO direct works the best the hotter you are (or hot to women)

Right, which is why I advocate body game, so that you can be hotter to women.

 

[Sega Genesis]

To pay for a date is to lead with your wallet.

A man is supposed to lead with his self first, followed by his wallet and/or resources.

 

[Solomon]

The problem with that is; there is a select guy out there who will smash, or have smashed the same woman, without taking her on dates.

Meanwhile, you are taking her on dates to get the puzzy.

So, what is the difference between you taking her on dates to get it, and the guy who didn't have to?

The difference is, her interest in the other guy was high enough to whereas she didn't require it of him, but not so much with you.

Either that, orrrr, the date was never required..you just simply offered to take her on the date and she accepted...because after all, who would pass up a free meal and drinks?

You have to truly understand that part of it...and unless and until you understand that part, you'll be forever stuck in simp land.

When I was in my 20s dating was brand new experince for me since I didn't date much in my teens and also I wasn't game aware. I do think formal first dates in 2025 are a waste of time, women in 2025 are vetting men to make sure they are not creepy and good at sex first. Even if you pass the first bar if you do not pass the 2nd most likely you won't see her again.

Personally I think it depends on the venue that you meet the women at, for example if you're meeting them via Online dating 80-90% of first dates will fail and won't land you a 2nd date for any number of reasons I,e, girl is not attracted to you, not feeling the "spark", you may not be attrfacted to her etc. This can get costly very fast. When I go on a first date or even a hang out at my place or hers I do not have expectations to see them again. You can do everything right, bang a girl all night silly, make her *** etc. In 2025 it does not gurantee you to see her again compared to 20 years ago. So Why not meet somewhere free/cheap? I've been on both sides this year spending tons of money on a first date and not even get a kiss, to having a girl come straight to my house and her doming me up and eating my taint.

IT is what it is