Dudes, gals, and entitlement

[SW15]

tuck in a polo shirt

I don't think untucked polo shirts in leisure situations are good either.

The types of women I'm most interested in (younger, never married, childless) aren't that excited by even untucked polos.

Divorced, late 30s+ suburban moms might find it acceptable.

 

[GoodMan32]

That outfit will lead to women immediately perceiving a man as a beta male. Alpha fux, beta bux.

I don't tuck in shirts during my leisure time.

T-shirts give off less of an immediate beta male energy.

Courtney Ryan's male fashion videos are a decent resource. That's how she started her channel, but then evolved more into mating topics to chase clicks/views. She has a number of her fashion videos in a playlist.

There are plenty of other fashion resources too.

Way to totally gloss over the fact I got an invite from a 23 year old hottie and a date from a mid-tier 37 year old on days I wore a tucked in shirt.

Another thing worth mentioning on this thread is: Even though I wasn't wearing a belt buckle with the outfit picture I posted on an older thread, belt buckles are generally a quintessential part of my outfits (and I've gotten female attention from my belt buckles). I need to tuck in my shirt to show off my belt buckle.

Cowboys (the epitome of alpha) tuck in their shirt even in their leisure time by the way. Not that I'm a cowboy...but my point is tucking a shirt isn't automatically beta.

I'd even venture to say my belt buckles might add a touch of alphaness to my outfits.

 

[GoodMan32]

I don't think untucked polo shirts in leisure situations are good either.

The types of women I'm most interested in (younger, never married, childless) aren't that excited by even untucked polos.

Divorced, late 30s+ suburban moms might find it acceptable.

Even if we take the tucked vs untucked debate out of the equation, I'm shocked to hear that even an untucked polo isn't good in your locale.

I'd think a polo would be a good fit in a pretentious major city.

 

[SW15]

I'm shocked to hear that even an untucked polo isn't good in your locale.

I'd think a polo would be a good fit in a pretentious major city.

Polo shirts are better for married men and guys in LTRs, even in pretentious major cities.

A man with the muscular physique who rides a motorcycle isn't going to be wearing a polo shirt. That's the kind of guy who is going to attract women.

 

[BPH]

Polo shirts are better for married men and guys in LTRs, even in pretentious major cities.

Can you stop feeding this guy?

I know you tend to respond with analysis on most things, but this guy is focusing on the least important parts of our replies, and it's only going to create another 10+ page thread of meaningless crap when he keeps responding to each individual comment.

Except the ones that suggest taking action, which make him uncomfortable.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Cowboys (the epitome of alpha) tuck in their shirt even in their leisure time by the way

We're not living in the frontier during the late 1800s anymore though. You could've similary walked the streets in tights and codpiece during The Renaissance, and not be seen as aberrant. Ditto with shoulder pads and Flock Of Seagulls hair during The 1980s

It pays to recognize the era one exists in, then be highly selective about what hill one chooses to potentially die on

 

[Clockwerk50]

Come on, bro. Wheat Waffles' ratings are irrelevant.

Is it irrelevant? Don’t you trust my judgment?

I’m around attractive people at the gym, and I work in an environment where status, presence, and big personalities are noticed. I’ve seen his picture. I’ve seen his petite frame and face. If he were fat, he’d be a 3. Let’s be honest, most people who’ve seen his picture would probably agree.

Not sure how I could prove my point without actually posting his picture, hence why I have to rely on Wheat Waffles’ rating. It’s one of the few objective references we can use when personal judgment gets challenged.

 

[CheekyMonkey101]

Is it irrelevant? Don’t you trust my judgment?

I’m around attractive people at the gym, and I work in an environment where status, presence, and big personalities are noticed. I’ve seen his picture. I’ve seen his petite frame and face. If he were fat, he’d be a 3. Let’s be honest, most people who’ve seen his picture would probably agree.

Not sure how I could prove my point without actually posting his picture, hence why I have to rely on Wheat Waffles’ rating. It’s one of the few objective references we can use when personal judgment gets challenged.

The only true rating is how women treat you. Not some weird kid like WW.

 

[Clockwerk50]

The only true rating is how women treat you. Not some weird kid like WW.

Wheat Waffles rates looks, not how women act. And setting aside the rare exceptions he constantly mentions, typical women don’t treat him like he’s more than a 4.

 

[GoodMan32]

Polo shirts are better for married men and guys in LTRs, even in pretentious major cities.

A man with the muscular physique who rides a motorcycle isn't going to be wearing a polo shirt. That's the kind of guy who is going to attract women.

Even if I were to become muscular, I'm not the biker type by any means. That's simply not who I am. Posing as someone I'm not doesn't sound like a worthwhile strategy.

Dr Phil has criticized posers on his show.

Don't get me wrong; I am willing to take some of the advice I've been given. For example, after getting feedback about my grandpa outfit on another thread, I came to realize that shirt really isn't my most flattering shirt. So I don't wear it as often anymore.

I'm not going to totally change who I am, however.

We're not living in the frontier during the late 1800s anymore though. You could've similary walked the streets in tights and codpiece during The Renaissance, and not be seen as aberrant. Ditto with shoulder pads and Flock Of Seagulls hair during The 1980s

It pays to recognize the era one exists in, then be highly selective about what hill one chooses to potentially die on

In my state (as well as several other states), there's still a lively cowboy scene.

Is it irrelevant? Don’t you trust my judgment?

I’m around attractive people at the gym, and I work in an environment where status, presence, and big personalities are noticed. I’ve seen his picture. I’ve seen his petite frame and face. If he were fat, he’d be a 3. Let’s be honest, most people who’ve seen his picture would probably agree.

Not sure how I could prove my point without actually posting his picture, hence why I have to rely on Wheat Waffles’ rating. It’s one of the few objective references we can use when personal judgment gets challenged.

Thanks for refraining from posting it (I'm pretty sure that's against the forum rules anyway)

I'm going to take a moment to say I am willing to share my picture through DM for anyone who wants to see. I have a chiseled jawline.

 

[GoodMan32]

Wheat Waffles rates looks, not how women act. And setting aside the rare exceptions he constantly mentions, typical women don’t treat him like he’s more than a 4.

It's been discussed at length on this forum how any dude below an 8 and a half is prone to being treated as invisible by gals in the 2025 market.

Additionally, some factors worth taking into account are:

Other than organized singles events and apps, I pretty much never shoot my shot. There's no telling how I'd do if I shot my shot more often.

For a man who pretty much never shoots his shot, the amount of "rare exceptions" I've had are impressive.

Furthermore, it was mentioned earlier on this thread that a man's SMV is determined by more than just looks. It's totally possible my looks are the 6-7 I assign to myself, yet all my other baggage (which hurts my overall SMV) would explain my bad luck.

 

[BaronOfHair]

In my state (as well as several other states), there's still a lively cowboy scene.

Lots of states have vibrant gay communities filled with "flammers". Are you going to start rocking Daisy Dukes and wearing micro Ts also?

 

[Clockwerk50]

It's been discussed at length on this forum how any dude below an 8 and a half is prone to being treated as invisible by gals in the 2025 market.

Additionally, some factors worth taking into account are:

Other than organized singles events and apps, I pretty much never shoot my shot. There's no telling how I'd do if I shot my shot more often.

For a man who pretty much never shoots his shot, the amount of "rare exceptions" I've had are impressive.

Furthermore, it was mentioned earlier on this thread that a man's SMV is determined by more than just looks. It's totally possible my looks are the 6-7 I assign to myself, yet all my other baggage (which hurts my overall SMV) would explain my bad luck.

Wheat Waffles gave you a 4. I gave you a 4 too based on factors like hairline, wrinkles, height, posture, style, facial hair, muscle density, and body type. This is a looks conversation, no amount of coping will change that.

 

[CheekyMonkey101]

Wheat Waffles rates looks, not how women act. And setting aside the rare exceptions he constantly mentions, typical women don’t treat him like he’s more than a 4.

And that's his true rating, not what some weirdo online says.

You don't think it's sus to pay another man to rate your looks?

 

[Clockwerk50]

And that's his true rating, not what some weirdo online says.

You don't think it's sus to pay another man to rate your looks?

Weird or not, it’s still more objective than his self-assessment or denial. Whatever method we use, he’s a 4, but he’s claiming a 6-7, which is objectively not true.

 

[GoodMan32]

Weird or not, it’s still more objective than his self-assessment or denial. Whatever method we use, he’s a 4, but he’s claiming a 6-7, which is objectively not true.

I just mentioned (on a post on another thread) that I probably get more attention from the opposite sex than I realize (as my autism renders me basically illiterate at picking up on a woman's interest)

Which goes to show the flaws of saying the amount of attention I get from the opposite sex proves I'm a 4.

Edit: Additionally, some of the factors you use to justify my 4 rating are my receding hairline and premature wrinkles.

In high school, I didn't have a receding hairline or wrinkles, yet my luck with the opposite sex was even worse (I graduated high school a kissless dateless virgin). Which illustrates yet another flaw of saying the amount of luck a guy has with the opposite sex proves what his looks score is.

 

[Manure Spherian]

Your thoughts?

Lookism is nonsense.

 

[Clockwerk50]

I just mentioned (on a post on another thread) that I probably get more attention from the opposite sex than I realize (as my autism renders me basically illiterate at picking up on a woman's interest)

Which goes to show the flaws of saying the amount of attention I get from the opposite sex proves I'm a 4.

Edit: Additionally, some of the factors you use to justify my 4 rating are my receding hairline and premature wrinkles.

In high school, I didn't have a receding hairline or wrinkles, yet my luck with the opposite sex was even worse (I graduated high school a kissless dateless virgin). Which illustrates yet another flaw of saying the amount of luck a guy has with the opposite sex proves what his looks score is.

@CheekyMonkey101's point is that how women treat you reflects how you look. You can take that up with him.

Case in point: If you can’t notice the attention, it’s not real and can’t be measured; invisible signals don’t prove a higher rating in looks. Wheat Waffles gave you a 4 for your physical appearance. It’s the only objective score we have right now.

 

[BPH]

Nevermind, looks like others are feeding him...

Can't wait for this thread's inevitable 10-page anniversary.

 

[GoodMan32]

@CheekyMonkey101's point is that how women treat you reflects how you look. You can take that up with him.

Case in point: If you can’t notice the attention, it’s not real and can’t be measured; invisible signals don’t prove a higher rating in looks. Wheat Waffles gave you a 4 for your physical appearance. It’s the only objective score we have right now.

Wheat Waffles's score isn't the only objective score we have.

Many members of the opposite sex have rated me higher than 4.

It's interesting how you put more stock into one man's rating of me than the ratings many a woman has given me.