My prediction for dating by 2028 and beyond the foreseeable future

[SW15]

45% of men ages 18-25 have never approached or asked a woman out on a date.

That is insane! I'm still wondering how that's possible.

For the men that go to college, they have some great pussie options.

18-25 is the best phase of life to do approaches and find dates.

Some of these guys can get dates solely from swipe apps or DMs though.

 

[BaronOfHair]

The issue with Roosh is he wanted a unicorn i.e. Young blonde, big butt, big boobs, flat stomach conservative white woman with Christian values but a virgin freak. Good luck finding that even in college nowadays. Roosh issue once he realized women could not make him happy instead he doubled down until he eventually realized that trying to "Bang" the whole world will not make you happy! I know roosh got offline and I hope he's happier now seeking the lord. I enjoyed his writings because Roosh was able to verbalize a lot of things that I was feeling or thinking but couldn't verbalize. He was an excellent writer when it came to women and seduction IMO. However, he also had somewhat warped view of women and the ideal partner (The unicorn) that a lot of men during that period hadikebana

And while I'm sure he was no slouch when it came to snagging a hot piece of ass, his claims to having bedded over 200 women is LESS credible than the DEA and ATF's delusions of having been especially successful at fighting crime

 

[Solomon]

And while I'm sure he was no slouch when it came to snagging a hot piece of ass, his claims to having bedded over 200 women is LESS credible than the DEA and ATF's delusions of having been especially successful at fighting crime

The early 2000s and even 2010s (until #MEtoo movement) was a different era, I remember going on RSD forums and guys were doing 500-1000 approaches a year! and journaling it with pictures/videos. Not every guy was super duper successful and that's one thing I appreciated about those RSD field reports a lot of guys were honest about their success or lack thereof. Now a days if a guy were to journal a 1000 approaches most people would tell him he's wasting his time and is a fool. However back in those days the fastest way to learn was to go out and get experience. Due to the fact that it was the internet (and still is) the only way to get creditability was to meet with other community guys and mass approach or have journals with evidence or both. Those members got reputations for being solid, plus it was very easy to tell guys who were making stuff up vs guys who had real success.

So with Roosh living overseas for nearly a decade, I can believe he smashed that many women(honestly I don't really care about that I care moreso about what I'm about to type next), but in the words of Gamora to Thanos "Was it worth it?" some of the biggest players I knew (seduction community or not) ended up getting married, some are still married some are divorced etc. Can't be a player forever eventually most men will want to settle down or focus on other endeavors that are far more fulfilling and fruitful

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

That is insane! I'm still wondering how that's possible.

For the men that go to college, they have some great pussie options.

18-25 is the best phase of life to do approaches and find dates.

Some of these guys can get dates solely from swipe apps or DMs though.

It's possible from the fact than the average man noticed that he doesnt have what it takes even for an average woman so he simply avoids making an effort..those who succeed also realize that the juice was not worth the squeeze.

Than we have many man that in past were pressured from social pressure to go after women but didnt really want it, think of nerds, geeks or simply hyperlogical men that control their libido while being annoyed from non sense.

We also have many more men that talk sincerly now..I recall 20 yrs ago there was no man "in a dry spell", everyone was banging left and right according to their words.

 

[Zontyy]

2). Femcels will now be a thing-

Femcels already exist, but they’ve mostly been limited to the stereotypical "crazy cat lady" type. However, this culture is now crossing over to include average and even attractive women. The era of the single, independent "boss babe" is well past its peak. Your typical dateable single woman will lead a lonely, unfulfilling life, receiving less attention from men and rejecting the corporate hustle and casual dating scene that Millennial and Gen X women once embraced. If you want a glimpse of what this future looks like, check out this video or the solo camping vlogs that many Asian women are posting on YouTube. Invest in Pet stock lol.

3). People will have less sex, and Hedonistic activities will be limited to the lower class, certain communities, and Rich People- As many men hated feminism and the boss babe caricatures, this allowed all men to have access to casual sex at ease. With this in decline, you will see less casual sex in the dating environment which will make the game less fun.

5). Online Dating & Cold Approaching will be in the History Books-

Online dating will basically turn into Chatroulette for women—chaotic, full of dvck pics, and unreliable and just completely unusable for men—and may even cease to exist, except for niche apps like Seeking. Cold approaching will become extinct as women become less receptive to random interactions due to rising crime rates, social fatigue, and declining self-esteem. If you’re not already part of a woman’s social circle or community, your chances of interacting with her are practically zero.

Some of your other points I agree on but the ones I quoted I disagree.

2 and 3). Since you used Japan as an example I think this is based more on the economy of Japan then anything else. It's been stagnant/zombie since the late 80s. People are having less sex because Men are unable to provide or even be considered providers anymore in Japan this in turn has created Femcels since there are no men worth breeding with.

It was believed that the US was heading the same way, we had a choice to follow the stagnancy of Japan's economic policies or through inflation with importation of immigrants since our birth rates were down. The US has continued to do that for the last 20 years along with a few wars to bring us out of recessions. This can only work for so long though until societal collapse as we become less cohesive. The only thing to fix that would be to slowly remove rights from woman and promote conservative ideals which is what seems to be happening now. All in all we might avoid numbers 2 and 3 if economic policies help the middle and lower class.

5). I completely disagree online dating is never going away but will be used even more since people the new generations are more tied to there phones and less social. Chad will still have tons to pick from while your average guy will barely any matches.

 

[SW15]

We also have many more men that talk sincerly now..I recall 20 yrs ago there was no man "in a dry spell", everyone was banging left and right according to their words.

Plenty of men had dry spells 20 years ago.

I completely disagree online dating is never going away but will be used even more since people the new generations are more tied to there phones and less social. Chad will still have tons to pick from while your average guy will barely any matches.

Online dating was invented as an alternative to the bar scene but became far worse than the bar scene.

Online dating has favorite the elite tier men more so than the middle tier men. Online dating is even more favorable to elite tier men than nightlife venues ever were.

So with Roosh living overseas for nearly a decade, I can believe he smashed that many women(honestly I don't really care about that I care moreso about what I'm about to type next), but in the words of Gamora to Thanos "Was it worth it?" some of the biggest players I knew (seduction community or not) ended up getting married, some are still married some are divorced etc. Can't be a player forever eventually most men will want to settle down or focus on other endeavors that are far more fulfilling and fruitful

Caleb Jones (aka Alpha Male 2.0 & Blackdragon) wrote about this concept in September 2024. While I don't agree with some parts of the piece that is linked below, the quote below the link from him covers key thoughts of the article.

The Problem With Red Pill, Black Pill, Pick-Up Artist, Tradcon, and Other Masculine Lifestyle Models - Alpha Male 2.0

Reading Time – 9 minutes I came from the pick-up artist world of the late 2000s and early 2010s. Under the name Blackdragon, I was in the second generation of pick-up artists right after the first generation of guys like Neil Strauss, Mystery, Owen Cook,...

alphamale20.com

pick-up artist is a temporary lifestyle model...... The problem with pick-up artist is it’s a lifestyle that is only valid for a few years, not your whole life......

The problem is compounded because back in the 2000s, pick-up artists didn’t know this. These pick-up artist gurus, 95% of whom were well under the age of 35, just went out, practiced their skills, banged hundreds of women, and gave no thought whatsoever to what they would want later in life when they were 39 or 46 or 57.

So then they hit a brick wall when they turned 35 or so

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

Plenty of men had dry spells 20 years ago.

Yes exactly as I said but no one admitted it therefore there was more social pressure on going after women compared to now.

If you think or hear that everyone is getting laid you feel pressured to do so even if you dont really want it that much compared to its cost.

 

[BaronOfHair]

The early 2000s and even 2010s (until #MEtoo movement) was a different era, I remember going on RSD forums and guys were doing 500-1000 approaches a year! and journaling it with pictures/videos

Yeah: Being action-oriented, rather than getting ensnared in overthought, was what was prioritized. To be fair though, this isn't even unique to The Manosphere...

Ex. Pursuing specific legal reforms via actual political action, like ending The Drug War, has been derailed by our collective fixation on mulling over vague, amorphous ideas like Structural Racism

 

[BaronOfHair]

pick-up artist is a temporary lifestyle model...... The problem with pick-up artist is it’s a lifestyle that is only valid for a few years, not your whole life......

Perhaps not even that. Entertaining as The Connery Bond movies were, barely any guy on this planet snags cooter each time he walks in the room, no matter how many techniques he learns

 

[SW15]

Perhaps not even that. Entertaining as The Connery Bond movies were, barely any guy on this planet snags cooter each time he walks in the room, no matter how many techniques he learns

Most guys who study pickup artistry techniques don't have the expectations of snagging cooter upon arrival in a room. Most expect that there will be nights that they fail. Roosh even talked about how much rejection he faced even after he had solid mastery of a lot of the pickup artistry techniques.

Many professional athletes can get to the level of snagging cooter at that level. Some musicians and other celebrities get to that level.

The highest notch count guy that I know in real life didn't seduce much on personality and technique. His verbal openers were unimpressive. He seduced mainly on looks (6'4" height, good facial aesthetics, and being in shape) and status (former collegiate athlete in a country club sport). Now, that guy is a married man who acts like the typical beta male odds. When he was putting up his triple digit notch count, he didn't act like a beta.

 

[characternote]

Most guys who study pickup artistry techniques don't have the expectations of snagging cooter upon arrival in a room. Most expect that there will be nights that they fail. Roosh even talked about how much rejection he faced even after he had solid mastery of a lot of the pickup artistry techniques.

Many professional athletes can get to the level of snagging cooter at that level. Some musicians and other celebrities get to that level.

The highest notch count guy that I know in real life didn't seduce much on personality and technique. His verbal openers were unimpressive. He seduced mainly on looks (6'4" height, good facial aesthetics, and being in shape) and status (former collegiate athlete in a country club sport). Now, that guy is a married man who acts like the typical beta male odds. When he was putting up his triple digit notch count, he didn't act like a beta.

yeah, that level of success is basically reserved for celebs and stuff.

Similarly to your example, the only guy I know who came close to that is my former wing. Just had model good looks/facial aesthetics and hot girls would basically throw themselves at him again and again on nights out. Didn't have any 'game' to speak of other than being somewhat normal. But no 'technique' in terms of the things PUA's think of when talking about 'game' (self amusement, negs, teasing, cold reads, DHV stories etc etc). None of that.

The only thing he didn't have in his favour was height. He's actually a little on the short side, but his face allowed him to get away with it. Of course there's a cut off point. If he was 5ft 4 and not 5ft 9 then he'd likely have struggled

He also had a fairly good physique despite never setting foot inside of a gym. Just lucked out genetically which is why he very nearly made it into the UK sprinting team when he was young.


Only thing I don't like about your post is the talk of Roosh! I can't think of much of a worse example when talking about PUA's. I think we're really talking about someone who has borderline 'anti game'! i.e - I think he's basically autistic and awkward and all of the things you really don't want to be in this field. He's an odd dude. I know he didn't release infields officially (and I can guess why!) but I did see a short one once of him awkwardly approaching a girl at a bar and lasting a few seconds before she kind of brushed him off, and then him shuffling back towards the camera hunched over looking dejected and scruffy and I really got the impression that that's how 99% of his approaches went. I SERIOUSLY doubt he's had anything more than a handful of lays.

 

[SW15]

Similarly to your example, the only guy I know who came close to that is my former wing. Just had model good looks/facial aesthetics and hot girls would basically throw themselves at him again and again on nights out. Didn't have any 'game' to speak of other than being somewhat normal. But no 'technique' in terms of the things PUA's think of when talking about 'game' (self amusement, negs, teasing, cold reads, DHV stories etc etc). None of that.

I saw my friend get women throwing themselves at him over his height and facial aesthetics.

My friend knew that he had a look that was attractive to bougie White women. He went to the bars where bougie White women tended to go. He was a dreamy guy for a bougie White woman because of his height, facial aesthetics, being in shape, having former collegiate athlete status, and having a solid white collar job. He was the kind of guy that bougie White women would be physically attractive to AND they could also foresee themselves taking him home to meet the parents in the future.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Just like doomsday environmental prophecies

The Manosphere could benefit from it's own equivalent of Ecomodernism

Civilizations really CAN afford to not only be indifferent to "men's issues", but completely oblivious to such things, and still survive. As someone else pointed out in a separate thread https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/lets-change-the-world-seriously.283548/page-3#post-3147401 , prior to The Industrial Revolution-All Points beyond, mating WASN'T an option for the majority of the male population. Yet no one in The 1700s or any century prior was writing op-eds on The Crisis Of The Modern Male, and the world kept on turning

Now, given that we humans aren't just upright apes, but creatures capable of moral philosophy and ethical thought, it is PREFERABLE that we make an effort to provide that portion of the male population who isn't doing well the tools necessary for these fella to help themselves. Let's also admit that we do so not simply out of the goodness of our hearts, but also for the sake of maintaining a civilization that's economically sturdy, in a century where we're facing unprecedented competition from overseas markets

 

[Solomon]

The Manosphere could benefit from it's own equivalent of Ecomodernism

Civilizations really CAN afford to not only be indifferent to "men's issues", but completely oblivious to such things, and still survive. As someone else pointed out in a separate thread https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/lets-change-the-world-seriously.283548/page-3#post-3147401 , prior to The Industrial Revolution-All Points beyond, mating WASN'T an option for the majority of the male population. Yet no one in The 1700s or any century prior was writing op-eds on The Crisis Of The Modern Male, and the world kept on turning

Now, given that we humans aren't just upright apes, but creatures capable of moral philosophy and ethical thought, it is PREFERABLE that we make an effort to provide that portion of the male population who isn't doing well the tools necessary for these fella to help themselves. Let's also admit that we do so not simply out of the goodness of our hearts, but also for the sake of maintaining a civilization that's economically sturdy, in a century where we're facing unprecedented competition from overseas markets

I agree with you but the issue with the manosphere is most men even if you gave them applicable advice when it comes to making money, investing, their health etc. 80% won't do the work cause it's easy to remain the same and complain. Also what always bothered me is that manosphere content is too centered around women.

I remember when I was a simp in 2006. I use to roll with with a couple dudes, one of them was a former Pro-Basketball player overseas. He became a trainer and always had girls around him. I remember I would tell him about my women problems, and he basically had the attitude like "I don't wanna hear that ****" ha ha. To a guy who always had success, they can't fathom the plight most men go through because it's not part of their reality. So instead the manosphere is getting advice from mostly grifters who have limited experience or none at all. Notice most of the manosphere dudes on youtube who have wives or girlfriends. They tend to be super mid

 

[CornbreadFed]

I agree with you but the issue with the manosphere is most men even if you gave them applicable advice when it comes to making money, investing, their health etc. 80% won't do the work cause it's easy to remain the same and complain. Also what always bothered me is that manosphere content is too centered around women.

I remember when I was a simp in 2006. I use to roll with with a couple dudes, one of them was a former Pro-Basketball player overseas. He became a trainer and always had girls around him. I remember I would tell him about my women problems, and he basically had the attitude like "I don't wanna hear that ****" ha ha. To a guy who always had success, they can't fathom the plight most men go through because it's not part of their reality. So instead the manosphere is getting advice from mostly grifters who have limited experience or none at all. Notice most of the manosphere dudes on youtube who have wives or girlfriends. They tend to be super mid

Yes, the majority of dating problems I see with men all stem from mental perspectives like attitude, arrogance, and laziness. You can give a guy all the tools and advice in the world and he will still find a way to ruin it.

 

[H8CourtshipWithAPassion]

Some of your other points I agree on but the ones I quoted I disagree.

2 and 3). Since you used Japan as an example I think this is based more on the economy of Japan then anything else. It's been stagnant/zombie since the late 80s. People are having less sex because Men are unable to provide or even be considered providers anymore in Japan this in turn has created Femcels since there are no men worth breeding with.

It was believed that the US was heading the same way, we had a choice to follow the stagnancy of Japan's economic policies or through inflation with importation of immigrants since our birth rates were down. The US has continued to do that for the last 20 years along with a few wars to bring us out of recessions. This can only work for so long though until societal collapse as we become less cohesive. The only thing to fix that would be to slowly remove rights from woman and promote conservative ideals which is what seems to be happening now. All in all we might avoid numbers 2 and 3 if economic policies help the middle and lower class.

5). I completely disagree online dating is never going away but will be used even more since people the new generations are more tied to there phones and less social. Chad will still have tons to pick from while your average guy will barely any matches.

Anythings possible, i can see that.

 

[BaronOfHair]

I agree with you but the issue with the manosphere is most men even if you gave them applicable advice when it comes to making money, investing, their health etc. 80% won't do the work cause it's easy to remain the same and complain

Such is life, and what you describe isn't even unique to men: Books like The Rules and Make Every Man Want You have been around for a minute or two, yet 80% of women refuse to seek out such knowledge, will retort "That's promoting White CIS Heteronormative Patriarchal Values!!! Men/people in general should love me for who I am, no matter what!!!"

No amount of explaining to folks such as these that this ain't the way life has EVER worked* will persuade them otherwise





*Just as supermodels don't generally marry or even invite rookie highway patrolmen into their beds anywhere except in paperback crime novels, multi-billionaires almost never marry the waitress at The Cheesecake Factory who hails from a welfare-supported home(no matter how beautiful she may be)anywhere outside of paperback romance novels. The former has to avoid being impregnated by a man who's unable to care for her and her offspring... The latter has to avoid wifing up a chick who's unfit to navigate the social circles he travels in

 

[MatureDJ]

Also it's estimated that 41% of companies are planning to reduce their workforce by 2030 due to AI.

It's OVER for AICels.

Men who are whiners, complainers, blackpillers will be stuck in the VR world with a bottle of lotion

It's over for LotionCels.

 

[Travel memoir21]

It's OVER for AICels.

It's over for LotionCels.

You're the most pessimistic dude on this board? How's your love life man? I think you need to board a trip to Thailand or a province in Japan

 

[BaronOfHair]

It's OVER for AICels.

It's over for LotionCels.

Didn't you announce your departure from SS awhile back?