Do you open the car door for girls?

[SW15]

In most settings with car doors, I won't open them for women. There's not too much of a point to doing so.

I'm more likely to do it with building doors but even that's not too important.

Opening doors for women is not going to result in too much of a difference in seduction results, either for attracting new women or for retaining existing ones.

Helping a woman with heavier luggage while traveling together would be useful.

Most of the door things are a bit outdated, as @zekko mentioned. The younger posters that mainly deal with Gen Y/Millennial women or Gen Z women who were raised after 2nd Wave Feminism (1960s-1980s feminism) and The Sexual Revolution of the same time period won't notice much with this. The women of these generations were raised mostly as independent women.

By my senior year of high school (2000-2001), most of the females from the Class of 2001 and Class of 2002 were expecting to be independent women and work during most of their lives. The Class of 2001 and Class of 2002 were women born in 1982-1984, so these are now women who have reached their 40th birthdays. They would not have expected it then and the younger women have even followed suit.

 

[Sophisticator]

Opening the door to everyone, all the time, is a sign of having lower value than others. Now shut the fcvk and open the door for me.

Exactly what value do you bring?

 

[sevbucmash]

I never opened the door to my girl in very few occasions, those times it was very valued cause she didn't expect it.

I hope you didn't sag your pants during those precious moments.

 

[Clockwerk50]

Did you also give her your balls as gift? That looks pathetic being that deep in other people's frame. If I do these actions she will:


Not good my friend.

How am I in her frame when I am the one deciding the setting, the details, and the emotions she feels? I'm not adapting to her, I'm leading the interaction.

But to answer your question, yes, I give my balls as a gift and then they gargle it in their mouth.

 

[Bokanovsky]

You sound like a real prince.

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You sound like a real peasant.

 

[filerfiler]

As with all things, this depends on the frame from which you do this.

I do open the door for the girl if I'm on that side anyway, and close it up on her.

I do that because the dynamic I want in my relationships is that of a traditional man who lives and expects traditional values out of those around him

A few girls do comment on that on first instance ("oh you're such a gentleman") or some lame comment, which I don't even respond to in a wtf do you think men should do kind of way. I told one girl "don't let it get to your head" once because she commented about it twice.

If a girl thinks this action is simping for her because of that she's not a girl I'd want anyway.

 

[Sophisticator]

Teaching you how to not be a simp, for example

Ah, so this is about status? The only ones who are concerned with status are those who don't have any.

You sound like a real peasant.

I don't have to behave like a lout to express my masculinity.

 

[Clockwerk50]

You are doing all of that with some bull$hit expectation of sex, affection or to be liked. Dou think a guy with sexual options will do all of that sacrifice to make other people happy? You are doing all of that just to be appreciated less. Its fine, you'll understand when those covert contracts get blow and have no other choice.

Stick around.

You see sacrifice, I see control. I don't do it for appreciation; I draw her into my world, making her crave more. A man with options doesn't chase, he effortlessly creates desire, becoming the source of excitement and attraction without forcing it.

If you've been to the MarriedRed Pill forums, you'd know that even when a man leads, stays fit, agrees and amplifies, and handles everything, he can still end up in a dead bedroom. Why? Because he forgets the most important thing, gaming his wife.

 

[zekko]

the other side of this, is does the passenger reach over and unlock the driver door after you helped them get in.

Lol, is this still a thing? It used to be, back when there were still manual locks on the doors. Now days, when I unlock the car, I push the button on my keyfob twice. The first push unlocks the driver side door, the second push unlocks the passenger side. The only way I could unlock the passenger side without first unlocking the driver side is to physically use the key to unlock the door (which is not going to happen).

 

[Sophisticator]

You see sacrifice, I see control. I don't do it for appreciation; I draw her into my world, making her crave more. A man with options doesn't chase, he effortlessly creates desire, becoming the source of excitement and attraction without forcing it.

You do it because that's how you prefer to behave, like a gentleman.

If a man dates classy elegant women they cannot behave like mannerless oafs. Any woman that would treat a gentleman like a servant for having manners is not the type to have relations with.

 

[BeExcellent]

Let me frame this another way. A woman is an accessory in a very real sense for her man. She is a reflection on him. If you drive a high end car, wear a custom suit or expensive shoes, do you let that get filthy? Do you throw you custom suit in the closet in heap? No. You take care of those things because they are accessories to your life.

A glamourous woman is also a value add accessory and will know that she is and will expect to be treated in accordance with that value. My husband loves pulling out my chair, getting my door, ordering my wine or my meal. He loves the way men's heads turn when he opens a door and I enter a room. It is a way he demonstrates that I belong to HIM as much as it is a courtesy or good manners toward me.

These things are complimentary. And I make every effort to be a great reflection on him as a man.

Watch a couple tango. The man leads. The woman is the flashy bling accessorizing his lead as she follows him. The result is mesmerizing.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Let me frame this another way. A woman is an accessory in a very real sense for her man. She is a reflection on him. If you drive a high end car, wear a custom suit or expensive shoes, do you let that get filthy? Do you throw you custom suit in the closet in heap? No. You take care of those things because they are accessories to your life.

Interesting analogy. Let time I checked, cars, suits and shoes could not break up with you, file for divorce and seek 50% of your assets or call the cops on your ass. If we are going to treat women like accessories, we need to go back to a time when they couldn't vote, make independent finical decisions or petition for divorce.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Interesting analogy. Let time I checked, cars, suits and shoes could not break up with you, file for divorce and seek 50% of your assets or call the cops on your ass. If we are going to treat women like accessories, we need to go back to a time when they couldn't vote, make independent finical decisions or petition for divorce.

Were you the kid nobody wanted to play Halo with because you were the worst sore loser?

 

[Bokanovsky]

Were you the kid nobody wanted to play Halo with because you were the worst sore loser?

Nice try. How's your dishwasher job treating you?

 

[CornbreadFed]

Nice try. How's your dishwasher job treating you?

Lots of baddies

 

[Jor-El]

Me and my girl had a row because I didn’t open her the car door. Well, I panicked. I opened mine, then swam to the surface

 

[sevbucmash]

By the way, if you open the door for another girl, your chick will twist on you. Especially if the other girl is hotter than her.

 

[Clockwerk50]

The need to control is a feminine trait, controlling others is fear of abandonment.

This is also a covert contract, if you were in MRP, you should know that: If I do all of these, I get control, therefore I'll get X. Doesn't work like that my friend.

Control isn't about fear, it’s about influence. It's not manipulation but creating a dynamic where she wants to follow. Control comes from choice, not coercion. A man with options doesn't make covert contracts; he leads and naturally attracts. You see control as fear, I see it as direction. You see details as submission, I see them as tools of influence. Just because something doesn't fit your approach doesn't make it wrong, it just means you don't understand how it works.

Again, details are everything. Think of a concert, monster truck jam, or political rally —it's not just the message but how it's delivered. The music, lighting, fireworks, and symbols create an atmosphere that overwhelms the senses, making people feel rather than think. Seduction works the same way. The right cologne, a glass of wine, an oil massage, candlelight, opening the door for her - these details draw her in and keep her there. People don't fall for logic; they fall for feeling.

Details aren't covert contracts; they aren't done with an expectation but to shape the experience itself.

PS:Many traditional masculine ideals emphasize decisiveness, leadership, and control over one’s environment. It is not a female trait.

 

[Sophisticator]

Another covert contract, If I do this, I'll be liked.

That's your covert contract, pal.

I don't have to behave different from how I prefer to behave in order to get liked. I'm doing just fine.

 

[Sophisticator]

Watch a couple tango. The man leads. The woman is the flashy bling accessorizing his lead as she follows him. The result is mesmerizing.

Not just that. If you actually tango, you learn that as the lead, what you do is that you create a space for the follower to shine. Tango is actually a great way to test your relationship dynamics. You cannot lead if she doesn't follow, she cannot shine if you don't lead properly.