I Have Anger Problems/I Don't Know What To Do

[BeTheChange]

You said "quality attracts quality", that WAS YOUR original response. How does quality attract quality if you were non-quality and claim you were attracting quality women?

Secondly, how does a 19 - 21 year old guy with no job, broke, with no savings and debt up to his a.ss, attract women who are 25 - 32 with their financial house in order, no kids, with degree and career? You are telling me that you looked SO DAMN GOOD that it over-rided everything else?

Post a picture.

No and I was actually going to edit my post to address the point you're making since I knew you would jump on anything to justify your world view.

Quality does attract quality. Women at 21 in college (at least the ones I dated) did not have the expectation of me as a student/recent graduate that they would have at 30 for a 30 year old man. Your argument is facile.

At 22 I could 100% game the hot first year law associate because:

1) We're young so the expectation is that as a recent grad I'd be in debt
2) I was taking steps to find work (interviewing with well known companies, etc)
3) I had most of my internal demons in check or was at least well on my way to making real improvements in internal game
4) From a "looks" perspective I was on top of things

This isn't rocket science.

 

[Tictac]

Is that your passive-aggressive way of telling me to fvck off lol?

Just say that follow up questions, clarification and more in-depth discussion is not what you came here for. You wanted to come with some over-simplified "think positive" or "increase your quality" advice, when the situation is much more complicated than that. I appreciated everybody's responses, but you can't get ticked off when I ask follow-up questions to these New Thought Movement "think positive and it will all workout" type of statements you guys make.

Same sh*t, different day.

 

[Tenacity]

No and I was actually going to edit my post to address the point you're making since I knew you would jump on anything to justify your world view.

Quality does attract quality. Women at 21 in college (at least the ones I dated) did not have the expectation of me as a student/recent graduate that they would have at 30 for a 30 year old man. Your argument is facile.

At 22 I could 100% game the hot first year law associate because:

1) We're young so the expectation is that as a recent grad I'd be in debt
2) I was taking steps to find work (interviewing with well known companies, etc)
3) I had most of my internal demons in check or was at least well on my way to making real improvements in internal game
4) From a "looks" perspective I was on top of things

This isn't rocket science.

Dude, you responded in this thread and said you have been gaming and dating the TYPES OF WOMEN that I deem quality since you were 19 - 21. That would mean you were gaming/dating women who were 25 - 32, already college educated, and within their career with good finances.

Now you are trying to FLIP what you said.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

YES, there is something missing. Hint: It's not money, power, status, or appearance (although I don't know how you dress which also may be a problem if it mirrors how you carry yourself).

Consider this: The EVOLUTIONARY TRIGGERS that men display that create attraction in women were programmed into our collective DNA BEFORE money or society was created.

For girls (in the eyes of guys), it's LOOKS. Physical appearance.

For guys (in the eyes of girls), it's PERSONALITY. Social Skills. Communication skills. NOT ONLY WITH HER, her with her peer group and with YOUR peer group.

Do you have a lot of male friends who look up to and respect you?

Can you effectively persuade a group of people to follow you with WORDS ALONE?

Can you handle adversity WITHOUT losing your shyte?

Can you easily and effectively handle NEW SITUATIONS and consistently come out on top?

Can you establish an HONEST, human to human conversation DEVOID OF ANY TECHNIQUES, anytime, anywhere?

When things are NOT going your way, do you not only keep your cool, but help others keep theirs as well?

Do you exhibit ROCK SOLID confidence that says "no matter what, I'll eventually figure this shyte out and take care of me and mine"?

When you CANNOT get what you want, do you BLAME THE WORLD, or do you realize you need a different strategy?

This is the kind of traits that makes ANY QUALITY WOMAN want to follow you to the ends of the Earth. No matter how old or how experienced you are, you can ALWAYS IMPROVE in any of the above (or whatever other ones I missed).

YOU ARE NEVER FINISHED BUILDING YOURSELF AS A MAN.

The moment you blame the world (the market, other women, feminism, collapsing economy, whatever) for any of your lack, all forward progress stops. GAME OVER.

 

[Tenacity]

Consider this: The EVOLUTIONARY TRIGGERS that men display that create attraction in women were programmed into our collective DNA BEFORE money or society was created.

For girls (in the eyes of guys), it's LOOKS. Physical appearance.

For guys (in the eyes of girls), it's PERSONALITY. Social Skills. Communication skills. NOT ONLY WITH HER, her with her peer group and with YOUR peer group.

Do you have a lot of male friends who look up to and respect you?

Can you effectively persuade a group of people to follow you with WORDS ALONE?

Can you handle adversity WITHOUT losing your shyte?

Can you easily and effectively handle NEW SITUATIONS and consistently come out on top?

Can you establish an HONEST, human to human conversation DEVOID OF ANY TECHNIQUES, anytime, anywhere?

When things are NOT going your way, do you not only keep your cool, but help others keep theirs as well?

Do you exhibit ROCK SOLID confidence that says "no matter what, I'll eventually figure this shyte out and take care of me and mine"?

When you CANNOT get what you want, do you BLAME THE WORLD, or do you realize you need a different strategy?

This is the kind of traits that makes ANY QUALITY WOMAN want to follow you to the ends of the Earth. No matter how old or how experienced you are, you can ALWAYS IMPROVE in any of the above (or whatever other ones I missed).

YOU ARE NEVER FINISHED BUILDING YOURSELF AS A MAN.

The moment you blame the world (the market, other women, feminism, collapsing economy, whatever) for any of your lack, all forward progress stops. GAME OVER.

What you just posted, only about 5% of men in the ENTIRE COUNTRY have in terms of personality or charisma. Most guys are devoid of any of this shyt you just posted, yet somehow, Mankind has existed all of this time. So you have to be JFK in terms of personality to get the quality woman? You have to speak like Obama and lead massive groups of men to get the quality woman?

Are you also saying looks don't matter?

Look I'm asking these follow up questions because NONE of the shyt you guys are saying is making any damn sense to me.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

What you just posted, only about 5% of men in the ENTIRE COUNTRY have in terms of personality or charisma.

Which is precisely those top 5% of the men get the top 5% of the women. It's not complicated. Quality PEOPLE seek their own level.

Most guys are devoid of any of this shyt you just posted,

Which is why the world is filled with beta engineered systems (politics, religion, etc.) to compensate for this lack.

Mankind has existed all of this time.

And for the most part (according to genetic science) few men consistently fathered most children. Only with the advent of religion (a beta driven con) did the "one-man one woman" rule exist. That is a VERY SHORT TIME (the one man one woman rule) of human existence, in our present form, on Earth.

LET THIS SINK IN:

Until the agricultural revolution, and the invention of religion (10K years ago compared to 200K of modern man) MOST MEN NEVER GOT LAID. Every generation, in every wandering tribe of PEOPLE, few dudes banged most of the women and fathered all of the children.

Yet here we are in modern times thinking that if we read a bunch of Red Pill bullshyte on the internet we are ENTITLED to a "quality woman" just because we think we deserve one. As if your conscious understanding if "game" is going to OVERRIDE HER GENETIC PROGRAMMING. Which is MILLIONS of years old. (We broke off from chimps 4 million years ago and we share 98% of their DNA).

Life ain't fair. High quality women ONLY GET WITH HIGH QUALITY MEN.

MOST MEN ARE NOT HIGH QUALITY.

YOU are not high quality.

I recommend you spend your time increasing your quality rather than trying to get the internet to agree with you that it's not your fault.

 

[l_e_g_e_n_d]

Tenacity, you have about 5-6 guys here stating that you are not quality material, citing examples as well. It's not a conspiracy. Maybe, just maybe, we see something that you don't.

 

[Tenacity]

I don't know what else I need to work on T.O. and Legend?

- My finances are in order

- My body is in order

- I have no issue getting new women consistently

- I have a nice place, nice car, great education

- I have a great personality in terms of being very sociable, the life of the party, etc.

If you guys are seeing something that I need to work on....I'm NOT seeing it. Can you tell me what it is? Some of the things you guys have said was to fix the anger issues and think more "positive", I'm already working on that.

What else is it then? Bottom line, how am I not at least in the Top 10% of guys nationally right now based on you guys' analysis? I PULL a lot of women.....I can post proof.

 

[Bible_Belt]

You should work on your sense of humor. For example, a thread entitled "Anger Issues" should have occasional posts in it like:

GODDAMN SHOELACES WON'T STAY TIED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Because that's funny . You don't seem to be having a good enough time with life to laugh at it very much.

 

[l_e_g_e_n_d]

I don't know what else I need to work on T.O. and Legend?

- My finances are in order

- My body is in order

- I have no issue getting new women consistently

- I have a nice place, nice car, great education

- I have a great personality in terms of being very sociable, the life of the party, etc.

If you guys are seeing something that I need to work on....I'm NOT seeing it. Can you tell me what it is? Some of the things you guys have said was to fix the anger issues and think more "positive", I'm already working on that.

What else is it then? Bottom line, how am I not at least in the Top 10% of guys nationally right now based on you guys' analysis? I PULL a lot of women.....I can post proof.

Ya, you named a lot there. You are a real prize, aren't you? Yet, you somehow still struggle with "quality" contenders. Maybe ... because ... um ... nothing above falls under quality.

Assuming you are serious (and I hope you are), let's SPELL it out, shall we. What are the intangible qualities that you possess?

 

[Tenacity]

Ya, you named a lot there. You are a real prize, aren't you? Yet, you somehow still struggle with "quality" contenders. Maybe ... because ... um ... nothing above falls under quality.

Assuming you are serious (and I hope you are), let's SPELL it out, shall we. What are the intangible qualities that you possess?

I'm told the following by women (positive things): I'm funny, can carry a good conversation, book smart, street smart, I have a lot of ambition, I'm an inspiration in certain ways, I'm a good speaker, I'm a good writer, and I fvck pretty good.

I'm also told the following by women (negative things): I come off like a player, I seem arrogant, I seem like "I say the same thing that I'm saying to her to other women", all I seem to care about at times is myself, sometimes I talk too much, sometimes I'm a pain in the a.ss, and sometimes I come off like all I want to do is have sex.

 

[l_e_g_e_n_d]

Assuming you are serious (and I hope you are), let's SPELL it out, shall we. What are the intangible qualities that you possess?

I'm told the following by women (positive things): I'm funny, can carry a good conversation, book smart, street smart, I have a lot of ambition, I'm an inspiration in certain ways, I'm a good speaker, I'm a good writer, and I fvck pretty good..

They really need a face palm emoticon.

 

[Tenacity]

They really need a face palm emoticon.

Well, Legend I listed everything out. So can you tell me what are the things I'm missing that you said you guys can see, that I can't see?

 

[Bible_Belt]

I'm told the following by women (positive things): I'm funny, can carry a good conversation, book smart, street smart, I have a lot of ambition, I'm an inspiration in certain ways, I'm a good speaker, I'm a good writer, and I fvck pretty good.

I'm also told the following by women (negative things): I come off like a player, I seem arrogant, I seem like "I say the same thing that I'm saying to her to other women", all I seem to care about at times is myself, sometimes I talk too much, sometimes I'm a pain in the a.ss, and sometimes I come off like all I want to do is have sex.

First of all, you're not funny. I have never laughed at anything you've ever said. I agree wholeheartedly with those other compliments about you, but everyone can't have everything.

You're coming off as shallow to women. Go volunteer at an animal shelter. Then the next time you're gaming whatever you think is a quality woman, you can just casually mention that you spend Saturday afternoons saving orphan bunnies. That builds value just as much as your job, your looks, or your bank account. And more importantly, it overcomes the weakness in your game - you don't imply that you are a deep and complex person, that there is a lot more of you to know. That's what women want, especially out of a guy like you who has the rest of his act together.

This deepness element that I am talking about, it is powerful enough to trump everything else that we guys view as important traits in a man. I don't care if I'm living out of a dumpster, if you give me a cute puppy on a leash, I'll have a girl in an hour or two. That's because women don't make rational and logical decisions about men; they are ruled by emotion.

 

[l_e_g_e_n_d]

Well, Legend I listed everything out. So can you tell me what are the things I'm missing that you said you guys can see, that I can't see?

In no particular order: Integrity, composed, class, well-mannered, polished, trustworthy, respect, substance, humility, inter alia.

Rebut to your own detriment. This is the image you portray. In person, you may be different, but then again you are the one professing the problem as you recognize something is off. If it were strictly a market issue, then we ALL would be experiencing the same absense. But as testified by nearly half the members in this thread, this is certainly not the case.

 

[Tenacity]

In no particular order: Integrity, composed, class, well-mannered, polished, trustworthy, respect, substance, humility, inter alia.

Rebut to your own detriment. This is the image you portray. In person, you may be different, but then again you are the one professing the problem as you recognize something is off. If it were strictly a market issue, then we ALL would be experiencing the same absense. But as testified by nearly half the members in this thread, this is certainly not the case.

I have integrity, respect and substance. I'm professional in professional circles (I have to be). I'm well-mannered. What else is it then Legend?

And to be fair, you can't go solely by the people responding in this thread. You have to judge the Manosphere as a whole and when you do, you will see there are FAR more people who agree with me than disagree, when you consider the high number of MGTOWs and MRAs. This thread in no means is in representation of the mass opinions of the Manosphere. If you talk to the majority of Manosphere members, they will tell you something is WRONG with the market.

But at the end of the day, this thread is ultimately about "Tenacity". Now you said you guys were CLEARLY seeing something fvcked up with me that I wasn't seeing, I'm waiting for somebody to tell me what in the world you are seeing, because again I'm not seeing it? I can't fix a problem I don't know is there.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

I can't fix a problem I don't know is there.

If you are REALLY serious about this (which I highly doubt) this is you'd do.

1) Stop gaming chicks that are easy.

2) Game girls (or try to) that are OUT OF YOUR LEAGUE. Get rejected. Get shut down.

Do this for a few months and then you'll see.

Set up some HARD CRITERIA. If you were REALLY SERIOUS about improving yourself (which I don't think you are but I know many others are reading this) then you'd SPEND LESS THAN ONE HOUR, AND NEVER GET PHYSICAL WITH GIRLS WHO:

1) have bad credit

2) don't have full time jobs

3) have kids

4) are obese

5) don't have their own car

6) don't have their own place

7) don't have a college degree

If you can't figure this out from the first twenty minutes of meeting her, AND you can't bring yourself to walk away if she doesn't PASS ALL SCREENING TESTS, you will NEVER improve your skills.

But then again, I said this same thing like eight pages ago, and all you did was complain about me (and others) regurgitating some "positive thinking" crap.

THE ABOVE IS NOT POSITIVE THINKING.

The above is what will turn you into a high quality man.

When you can CONSISTENTLY bang girls who meet the above criteria, (and ONLY those girls) then we'll believe you're "high quality."

So, let's hear your excuses, one at a time, (in a numbered list if you prefer) why you REFUSE to follow the above advice.

THOSE REASONS are why you are LOW QUALITY.

If you FORCE YOURSELF to only bang women, or even associate with women that pass a HARD SET OF CONSISTENTLY STRENGTHENING CRITERIA will you realize the depth of your "low quality."

You're like some fat guy with tunnel vision that ONLY SEES fast food restaurants, and you literally CAN NOT SEE the plethora of whole food markets on every corner. (that is a metaphor. Please do not argue by offering a "counter metaphor" that shows "market weakness.")

The path of LOW QUALITY MALE to HIGH QUALITY MALE is not something you can do by reading advice on the internet.

It takes YEARS OF HARD WORK. Mental work. Emotionally difficult work. Emotionally painful work.

If you were REALLY SERIOUS (and not just trying to get people to agree that it's not your fault, it's the "market's fault) you would realize it will take YEARS to be HIGH QUALITY enough to attract HIGH QUALITY women.

The SAME LACK that keeps you from creating and keeping attraction in any woman of value is the SAME LACK that keeps you from having close friends, (like picking you up from the dentist).

It is not ONE THING that you can "notice" and change, like a golf grip or how you cook an omelette. Is is based on DEEP PERSONALITY issues.

And since ALL PERSONALITY and emotional issues are due to your childhood experiences, unless you ADDRESS and FIX those issues, you'll NEVER be able to "get" "high quality women."

Positive thinking won't help.

Church won't help.

New age counseling won't help.

Fake friends won't help.

Getting angry on the internet won't help.

Demanding that your mother apologize for fvcking you up won't help.

Demanding your family even admit their fvckups won't help.

If you (or anybody else who is reading this) is SERIOUS about improving yourself, this is a good place to start:

Six Pillars of Self Esteem

This is not a new age, positive thinking book. The last half is filled with tons of sentence completion exercises. IF YOU ARE SERIOUS, it will take you at least ONE YEAR to go through the exercises in that book.

You have to be VERY BRAVE to do these exercises honestly.

In fact, if you were REALLY serious (again, which I doubt) you'd spend a good deal of time FINDING A COUNSELOR to help you deal with your deeper issues. This is not easy. You need to screen them just as meticulously as you should screen your women. Few counselors are worth the money, so use that book as a starting point. Find a counselor that is familiar with it (that author is pretty well known.). PRINT OUT THIS THREAD AND BRING IT WITH YOU.

(But since you think you are in the top ten percent of men in the country, then you don't think you need this. You still think it's the markets fault.)

 

[Tictac]

You ever hear of the saying "you run into an assh*le in the morning, you ran into an assh*le; you run into assh*les all day, you're the assh*le."

Raylan Givens "Justified"

 

[l_e_g_e_n_d]

What is the purpose of our existence. To learn and correct our character deficiencies. At least that is what life has taught me.

Not trying to deride you but your internet persona exemplifies a shortage in character.

TO is correct. Half the job is stringently qualifying, as what you accept in your life is a reflection of YOU. The other half is working out the kinks in yourself. I named a few above. I hope you internalize my previous comment. It hard to accept what is deficient in us. Even harder is correcting what we already know is deficient.

You can acknowledge outward, but the minute you point outward, you are further from correcting inward.

If you look at Nature, it is perfect. No mistakes. It is we who make life imperfect. You begin by fixing yourself. Only then can you work on fixing others.

 

[Konada]

I suggest a skype chat so you guys can actually tell what's off about Ten rather than judging through a wall of text.

Also fvcking low quality trash when you are out there searching for 'high quality' is equivalent to the fat guy who says 'I'll continue eating macdonalds until I get my weight loss diet in check.' Half-a$$ things and you get half-a$$ed results.