Your job is killing your masculinity

[BlueAlpha1]

It is unmasculine to sit in a cubicle all day and take orders from a fat beta or worse yet, an overbearing career woman and do mundane tasks you hate.

You don't sleep right.

You don't eat right.

You are living on a FIXED SALARY.

You don't workout right.

You have to ASK to use the bathroom or take a break.

Worst of all, working a job is EASY. The comfort zone becomes your home. Somebody determines your schedule, days off, and tasks hour by hour.

You NEVER have enough free time to pursue your own interests.

There are exceptions - if you're a supervisor at a masculine job like a factory, or even in the white collar world if you've reached the level of Director, but by and large the only options we have is to stop being a consumer and become a producer.

How many entrepreneurs are on this site?

 

[logicallefty]

I work full-time as an IT Security Analyst, and now I am working again as a cop part-time. I admit that having a manly job like a cop does give me a little bit of extra pride vs when I was just working in IT.. Much of what you say is true about working for someone in an office environment. The bathroom part is funny. I don't have to ask to use the bathroom at my IT job.. BUT there are some days that I am so busy that I just can't get there for a few hours. Then there are other times I go p|$$ and am gone not 3 minutes and someone later gripes because I didn't answer my phone. I threatened my boss to get one of these a month or so ago:

http://www.amazon.com/Camco-41541-P...id=1427145489&sr=8-1&keywords=portable+toilet

I told him the next time I get b|tched at for not answering my phone when I am p|$$sing, I order it and put it next to my desk. I'm not even kidding, I may actually do it just to make a point. :crackup: My whole office is decked out redneck with outhouses, fart toys, etc. so it would go great with my decor.

 

[mangotot]

I am an entrepreneur and its hard graft without the security of a guarantee paycheck. It might be beta sitting behind the cubicle and taking orders but sometimes the other side is not rosy. Hence why people don't take risks.

 

[sylvester the cat]

I'm doing both at the moment. I take orders from politically correct feminists by day whilst building up my own business by night.

P.s - is this thread a thinly veiled marketing endeavor?

 

[BlueAlpha1]

I am an entrepreneur and its hard graft without the security of a guarantee paycheck. It might be beta sitting behind the cubicle and taking orders but sometimes the other side is not rosy. Hence why people don't take risks.

There is no such thing as security since 2009. The middle managers at your company are focusing on personal profits, cutting your salary and eventually eliminating your job altogether. This capitalism good, socialism bad philosophy is very narrow, because we're seeing what capitalism does to the 99%. I used to live in New York (but left because I couldn't take it any more) and the MTA transit just increased their fares 4% across the board. Yet minimum wage hasn't gone up in 6 years. New Yorkers are complaining about it, but as usual never take any action. Just one example.

I'm doing both at the moment. I take orders from politically correct feminists by day whilst building up my own business by night.

P.s - is this thread a thinly veiled marketing endeavor?

Nothing subtle about it my friend! The men who post here are my target audience and many are here because they are unhappy. Most of my stuff is free. I include access to it in my signature - it's there if people want it. But I love talking about this stuff. There has to be a lot of guys here wasting time rotting away at their jobs. :trouble:

 

[MOTU]

Sorry OP but that is just bullsh!t. There is no lack of honor in working your way up the ladder in a private firm. You start where you can and grow from there.

Your post sounds as though people are a victim of their career choices, and that's just not the case. Now, if you are lazy, don't apply yourself, feel entitled and do just enough to get by, you are gonna find yourself growing old in a cubicle. But don't blame your employer for that - that's on you.

If you have drive and ambition, you can grow in your own business or in corporate America. It's up to you.

 

[BlueAlpha1]

Sorry OP but that is just bullsh!t. There is no lack of honor in working your way up the ladder in a private firm. You start where you can and grow from there.

Your post sounds as though people are a victim of their career choices, and that's just not the case. Now, if you are lazy, don't apply yourself, feel entitled and do just enough to get by, you are gonna find yourself growing old in a cubicle. But don't blame your employer for that - that's on you.

If you have drive and ambition, you can grow in your own business or in corporate America. It's up to you.

The fact of the matter is there is very limited room at the top of that ladder, and your post presumes that it's hard work which is the key to climb the corporate ladder, which is nonsense. In reality it too often has to do with kissing a*s and spitting corporate babble, the kind of language NOBODY uses in real life. I never said you couldn't make money, I said the nature of the work was inherently unmasculine if you don't climb the ladder. Most don't, and masculinity is what this blog is about. I also said there were exceptions if you did manage to climb the ladder, but I'd like to know how many posters here are vice presidents and directors. I'm talking to the people who are rotting away in their cubicles.

So how about instead of pejorative swearing in your first sentence you address what I actually said? You failed to address how the 9-5 affects sleep, exercise, free time, carries over into interpersonal relationships, etc. Why do 70% of Americans in most polls hate their jobs? Or are they bs'ing too?

 

[El Payaso]

That means if one doesn't take orders from a fat beta or an overbearing career woman or sit in a cubicle at their job then they're masculine?

 

[Yorkex]

How I see it , this is flawed. I see it as compensation for something you don't truly have. Confidence/Alpha is something from within , a BETA/INSECURE man with money will be seen as Alpha but when he goes broke ..his true colours will show. Same reason why girls marry rich guys a d still cheat on the side.
Personally had an old Italian coach who was a janitor for a school board BUT my God can he command attention. The way he spoke , and behaved showed he was a man of class and believed in himself.

 

[jurry]

Sorry OP but that is just bullsh!t. There is no lack of honor in working your way up the ladder in a private firm. You start where you can and grow from there.

Honor? Is that what we work for? How about self respect, sanity, physical and mental health, you know, enjoying life?!

Your post sounds as though people are a victim of their career choices, and that's just not the case. Now, if you are lazy, don't apply yourself, feel entitled and do just enough to get by, you are gonna find yourself growing old in a cubicle. But don't blame your employer for that - that's on you.

If you have drive and ambition, you can grow in your own business or in corporate America. It's up to you.

Translation: if you suck enough corporate côck and work long enough hours and lie to yourself enough times, you can maybe make it up to a paygrade that gets you.. What exactly? A nicer car and nicer house? And still hate your life? I'll pass.

My hats off to the people who start their own business in this economy that takes some serious balls, again you'll likely be working insaaane hours with a tiny chance of success. Woohoo american dream!

Why is our world so insane? How have we convinced ourselves to throw away our life in pursuit of money and material wealth? Why are we working so hard and unable to sit the fvck still and enjoy the world?

It is our collective fear of facing ourselves as we are, so we have to run away from it in search of the next this or the next that, material progress, a mission to mars, etc. Truly sad, hopefully change comes before its too late.

 

[mangotot]

I don't mean that kind of security!! Are you going to tell me if you work for a biggish company, come the end of the month they won't pay your salary? You get into some forms of business you'll find suppliers delay or have massive difficulties making payments or you don't get customers and there is no one to pay your bills. Working for a reputable company means you are insulted against all that $hit.

Man the kind of $hit you are talking about where there has not been pay rises etc sounds like paradise when you are sitting around wondering how you are going to find the money to pay employees or even pay your own rent! As for your Job becoming no longer in existence you acquire new skill sets don't you? Which you use for other opportunities. I know people of all sorts of ages and really its people in their late 50s and upwards who have trouble up skilling, the rest manage.

My buddies who do the 9 to 5, are they spending every minute of the day working their a$$ off? Hell no! They are lounging about good part of the day drinking tea and coffee. In a 8 hour cycle they probably only really work for 5 hours. This is what the work schedule is like for many hence the appeal of the 9 to 5.

There is no such thing as security since 2009. The middle managers at your company are focusing on personal profits, cutting your salary and eventually eliminating your job altogether. This capitalism good, socialism bad philosophy is very narrow, because we're seeing what capitalism does to the 99%. I used to live in New York (but left because I couldn't take it any more) and the MTA transit just increased their fares 4% across the board. Yet minimum wage hasn't gone up in 6 years. New Yorkers are complaining about it, but as usual never take any action.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Meh, I'm not sure I agree. What if you want to be working in a bank office for 8+ hours because you have always wanted to? It was your dream just to sit down and watch you make more money. Your company pays you to since you receive a percentage of their net income. What if that's the case? You are still doing what you want. Isn't that what being a man is about? Doing what you want? Now we could say that another man has been working hard labor in a huge field because he is Amish. He hates this kind of work, but its the only work he knows. He dreams of going to school and becoming a physician but he can't because his family will shut him out forever. And the fact that he cares what others think of him, would that make him 'beta'?

BlueAlpha, I get what you are trying to say, but the fact is, there are many different ways to show masculinity. It is mostly subjective to the person's personality and character though. Those two factors will determine an individual's masculinity.

 

[MOTU]

Ok OP, admittedly your post isn't aimed at me because I am a VP in a large manufacturing firm. BUT, I grew up in a family business and have started 3 of my own; two failed, one didn't, which is about average I think. And what I am telling you is that just about all of the negatives you give about working a corporate job can be true of your own business, except perhaps asking to go to the can and having someone micromanaging you.

If it's YOUR @ss and money on the line, trust me you lose sleep, experience stress, etc, if you aren't sure you can make payroll. And talk about hours... No one puts in long hours like someone bootstrapping their own new business.

And you don't have to make it to VP or Director to achieve a nice lifestyle. I have several directs that are below that and still making 100k a year. That's tough to do in a startup.

You are over generalizing the negatives of working in a big company and the positives of running your own.

Jurry, honor is a by product of the hard work, and in my view Blue's original post *dishonor's* anyone who decides to give working for someone else a try, and I don't agree. And in our business, kissing @ss doesn't get you anywhere. PERFORMANCE does. And no, hard work doesn't gaurantee anything whether you work for yourself or someone else. But it sure helps.

 

[Bible_Belt]

I have a law degree and I grow tomatoes for a living. Everyone thinks I'm nuts, except my lawyer friends, who are all jealous, because their job is miserable.

I've seen a lot of studies and research come out about the detriment of sitting for long periods. Inactivity may likely be just as unhealthy as smoking cigarettes. Humans evolved as hunter-gatherers. That meant you had to move to eat. We were never meant to sit on our ass all day.

Even if you have to work a desk job - stand up as much as possible. Walk around. Do laps around the building on your break. Sitting in one spot and not moving for long periods every day will kill you.

 

[Desdinova]

I used to work in a goddam cubicle all day fixing 5hit and getting fat. When there wasn't enough work, I'd pretend to fix 5hit. It was a terrible job. I moved myself into the health care field so I can fix 5hit. I get my gas paid for to and from work, I get a free phone, the job is more physical, I'm in better shape now, I get paid more, I get more time off, and it's very low-stress. This job does NOT kill my masculinity, it enhances it. I prefer it over working myself to death trying to build a successful business. I don't want the stress, I want to enjoy the time I've got on this Earth.

 

[backseatjuan]

This thread is just perfect, I was going to start a new one and b1tch how I don't like my job, but here is a perfect opportunity to b1tch about it here.

I am an entrepreneur I own a one man IT business, mainly I fix cell phones, tablets, and notebooks, hardware and software, including some soldering, plus TVs and different electronics. Money is alright, though not great, considering I have to pay two rents and eat. The thing that pisses me off are the clients themselves. They all have an attitude where before they come to me it’s their fault that they broke their device, but after they give it to me, they speak to me as if it is now my fault that they broke their device. We could replace a micro USB connector or a screen, and some of them brake it again and come back and begin speaking to you as if you own them a free repair because it broke again.

I once had a woman bring a tablet to have micro USB connector replaced, which I did. The next day she came back and told me it is broke, I looked it over and it was obvious she inserted charger the wrong way, connector was all fed up again. I told her repair is going to cost this amount, to which she replied she don’t have to pay me, and it is my fault, and that I suck, etc, etc. After you take their device in your hands, in their mind any future problems is your fault.

One more example, I replaced charging connector on an iPhone 5, it is a solid part with flat cable that connects to mainboard. Woman checks it, makes a call, and tells me that now her speaker is not as clear as it used to be prior to repair. Now, speaker is part of display assembly, and in no way did I touch it. I check the phone and make a call, speaker is absolutely normal. She yelled at me and threated that her husband will come and talk to me, which did happen. The guy came in and told me I own him a new speaker or I should give him money back for the repair I made.

After awhile you begin to hate your clients, because there is no such thing as a nice client, they all have problems from the get go, they have their arms growing from their butt because they broke the device in first place.

Office job is nice, you do your sh1t, the boss takes care of all that nonsense you otherwise have to deal with if you had your own business. Plus you have less stuff to worry about, you don’t have to worry about taxes, advertising, competition, etc, etc, there are too many things to mention.

Office job is a lot easier, if you work in an office 9 to 5, you have time. If you have your own business you work full time, without weekends.

 

[VikingKing]

This thread is just perfect, I was going to start a new one and b1tch how I don't like my job, but here is a perfect opportunity to b1tch about it here.

I am an entrepreneur I own a one man IT business, mainly I fix cell phones, tablets, and notebooks, hardware and software, including some soldering, plus TVs and different electronics. Money is alright, though not great, considering I have to pay two rents and eat. The thing that pisses me off are the clients themselves. They all have an attitude where before they come to me it’s their fault that they broke their device, but after they give it to me, they speak to me as if it is now my fault that they broke their device. We could replace a micro USB connector or a screen, and some of them brake it again and come back and begin speaking to you as if you own them a free repair because it broke again.

I once had a woman bring a tablet to have micro USB connector replaced, which I did. The next day she came back and told me it is broke, I looked it over and it was obvious she inserted charger the wrong way, connector was all fed up again. I told her repair is going to cost this amount, to which she replied she don’t have to pay me, and it is my fault, and that I suck, etc, etc. After you take their device in your hands, in their mind any future problems is your fault.

One more example, I replaced charging connector on an iPhone 5, it is a solid part with flat cable that connects to mainboard. Woman checks it, makes a call, and tells me that now her speaker is not as clear as it used to be prior to repair. Now, speaker is part of display assembly, and in no way did I touch it. I check the phone and make a call, speaker is absolutely normal. She yelled at me and threated that her husband will come and talk to me, which did happen. The guy came in and told me I own him a new speaker or I should give him money back for the repair I made.

After awhile you begin to hate your clients, because there is no such thing as a nice client, they all have problems from the get go, they have their arms growing from their butt because they broke the device in first place.

Office job is nice, you do your sh1t, the boss takes care of all that nonsense you otherwise have to deal with if you had your own business. Plus you have less stuff to worry about, you don’t have to worry about taxes, advertising, competition, etc, etc, there are too many things to mention.

Office job is a lot easier, if you work in an office 9 to 5, you have time. If you have your own business you work full time, without weekends.

Westerners tend to take their life style for granted. Sadly that's what happens quite often here. Especially if they have had no real hardship in life, or not had hardship as an adult.

A lot of corprate jobs offer free gym, cafteria and even do your dry cleaning. They want to keep you stress free so you can do a good job, at leat that is there goal.

 

[Desdinova]

Backseatjuan: That's the exact reason why I quit fixing and selling computers for people. I put together a computer for someone and charged them a good price. Shortly after, they surfed the Internet and got infected with spyware. They then come to me with the computer and claimed that I sold them something defective and expect me to fix it for free.

My current clients get their equipment for free and get their repairs for free. The government gives me my paycheck. If they need another repair, there's no hassle. It's a win-win for most people, although there's some people who will never be happy, but I find those are far and few between.

 

[The_flying_dutchman]

I work as a corporate accountant and I can tell you right now, in absolute 100% honesty that the job is fvcking MISERABLE!!!

I do get paid a handsome salary, but at the same time I work almost 12 hours a day, often 6 days out of the week. Yes, 12 hours, 6 days a week! Imagine working from 8:00AM to 8:00 PM at a job you despise... a job where you have to babysit overgrown childrend (adults, yeah right) because they are simply unaware of the financial impact of their actions...

Although I don't regret going into accounting as it's given me solid real world skills. I know that I have to find a way out of this game soon or risk losing my youth and health.

I would absolutely agree that corporate jobs kills your masculinity, your spirit, and your natural male instincts.

 

[Mike32ct]

Not everybody is cut out to be an entrepreneur. Some people HAVE to work for somebody. For example, I'm good with technical stuff but will never have the sales or business talent that some others may have. Running my own business is just not going to happen. You need to work with your strengths. That said, I like my job.

I do agree that corporate jobs make people miserable though.