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You are not a Princess!

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http://shrink4men.wordpress.com/200...cess-25-points-for-women-and-men-to-consider/

1. You are not a princess. You do not deserve to be treated like royalty just by virtue of your sex. You deserve to be treated no better or worse than you treat others.

2. You are not any more “special” nor any more “entitled” than anyone else. You don’t deserve special privileges and nobody “owes” you anything by virtue of who you are or because of your gender.

3. You are just as “lucky” to have found your husband/boyfriend as he was to find you. Have you ever considered that there are times when you are lucky that he puts up with and tolerates you?

4. Men have feelings, too. They hurt just as much as you do when you criticize, reject, dismiss, ignore, make fun of, disrespect, invalidate and/or mock them. In fact, they may hurt more because they don’t have as many emotional outlets as you—especially if you tell him his feelings “don’t count” or to “be a man” when he expresses his feelings that you mistakenly claim he doesn’t have and/or is “wrong” for having. He has feelings and he has a right to them even when they’re not the same as yours and/or are expressed differently than you express yours.

5. If it’s okay for you to have male friends and maintain friendships with your exes, it’s also okay for your husband/boyfriend to have female friends and maintain friendships with his exes. It is not different for you because “you’re a woman.” It’s faulty logic to suppose women are inherently more trustworthy than men. This is called a double standard and it’s not okay. Otherwise, the culturally acceptable pronouncement, “Men are all dogs” should be met with “Women are all *****es” (i.e., female dogs) and should be equally culturally acceptable.

6. A father is just as important in a child’s life as a mother. Period. Just because you have a uterus doesn’t make you the better parent by default.

7. Children are not “hers” and “his” objects. The correct possessive pronoun is “ours.”

8. Your husband/boyfriend does not “owe” you. He shouldn’t be expected to financially support you and shower you with gifts unless you’re willing to reciprocate and equally support him without question or complaint. You’re neither his child nor his dependent. You’re supposed to be his equal partner.

9. Your husband’s/boyfriend’s desires, needs, wishes, feelings, likes and dislikes are just as important as yours. It’s not all about you all the time. You’re supposedly in a mutual and reciprocal relationship; not a service industry/client-vendor relationship.

10. If you’re not willing to make changes in yourself and your behavior, you’ve no right to demand that your husband/boyfriend do so. Nor is it reasonable to demand or expect your husband/boyfriend to make all the changes you want first before you’re willing to do your own work.

11. You are not a better human being by virtue of being a woman. You’re not a goddess. You’re not a sacred cow. You don’t “rule.” You’re a person, just like your husband/boyfriend is a person. You both deserve to be treated with equal dignity and respect when you act and treat each other with dignity and respect.

12. It’s a lie and a manipulation to say you “sacrificed” your career when you never really wanted to work in the first place. If you see your husband/boyfriend as your ticket to freedom from being a wage slave, be honest with yourself and your husband/boyfriend and most important of all, BE GRATEFUL. Having another person pay your way through life is not an inalienable right; it’s an enormous gift for which you should express gratitude on a regular basis.

13. It is wrong to use your child(ren) to hurt, control or extort money from your husband/boyfriend/ex. In fact, it borders on child abuse. Children are not pawns or human shields to be used for your own selfish reasons. They’re people who will later grow to resent you for using them in this fashion and will likely develop psychological problems of their own as a result.

14. It is wrong to expect or demand that your ex continue to financially support you after the relationship ends. The children are entitled to support until they become adults at the age of 18. You’re already an adult and, as such, you’re capable of and should legally be expected to take care of yourself— unless you’re willing to continue to support your ex by doing his grocery shopping, cooking cleaning, errands, etc. If your obligations to your husband are finished after a divorce, so should be his obligations to you.

15. Your husband/boyfriend is not responsible for your happiness. It isn’t his job to make you happy; that’s your job. Just as he is responsible for his own happiness. He’s supposed to be your equal partner, not your emotional wet nurse.

16. The desire for sex in a committed, loving relationship is healthy and natural. Using sex to control, shame or hurt your husband/boyfriend by withholding affection or making sex transactional is unhealthy and wrong.

17. Your husband/boyfriend should be more important to you than your child(ren) just as you should be more important to your husband than the child(ren). In other words, you should be each others’ first priorities; children second. You don’t need a husband if your sole desire is to have children—unless you see the man as a source of income for yourself and the children. If you can’t support yourself, you probably shouldn’t be having children. Marriage is a bond between two grown adults; not a bond between parent and child (Marc Rudov, 2008). You vow to honor your spouse and put him or her before all others, this includes your children. Children eventually fly the coop. If you make them the focus and raison d’être of your marriage, don’t be surprised when you no longer have much of a marriage as the years pass.

18. You are only entitled to what you earn or produce. Men are neither beasts of burden nor “working boys” to be pimped out in the service of their partners or ex-partners. No one owes you a living. As an adult, you’re not entitled to be taken care of by another party unless you have documented cognitive or physical disabilities that prohibit you from working. Last time I checked, being a wife, ex-wife, girlfriend, ex-girlfriend, mistress, ex-mistress, mother and/or simply a woman wasn’t considered a disability.

19. It is just as ABUSIVE when a woman slaps, kicks, hits, spits, at, scratches, shoves, pushes, punches, pulls hair, uses a weapon, swings a golf club at or throws objects at a man. It isn’t funny, cute, justifiable or deserved. It is indefensible, inexcusable, criminal and just as prosecutable as when a man acts violently toward a woman. Period.

20. The same goes for emotional abuse. It is unacceptable.

21. It is neither “normal” nor “acceptable” adult female behavior to throw temper tantrums, withhold sex, cry, rage, pout, have disproportionate reactions to events or be unable to control emotions and behaviors. At the very least, these are signs of emotional lability and poor impulse control; at worst, these are indicators of serious pathology and quite possibly some kind of personality disorder.

22. It is not okay to divert money from your joint checking/savings account(s) or open credit cards in your husband’s/boyfriend’s name without his knowledge and explicit permission. The first instance is stealing and the second is considered identity theft and fraud. Signing your husband’s/boyfriend’s signature to financial and legal documents is forgery. All of these actions are illegal.

23. It is irresponsible to live beyond your means and abusive to expect your husband/boyfriend to foot the bill or go into debt to cover your expenses. If you can’t responsibly use a credit/debit card then, much like a child, you shouldn’t have one.

24. It is never acceptable or permissible to threaten to deny your husband/boyfriend/ex access to the children you share. It is not okay to make up abuse allegations because you’re feeling angry, hurt or out of control. This is an act of slander (spoken) or libel (written) and if you swear to it in court, it’s also an act of perjury.

25. It is not fair to commit to or marry a man and then try to change him. If you don’t accept him as he is, just like you expect him to accept you and your faults, then you have no business being with him. Everyone has a right to feel accepted for who he or she is in a relationship. If he’s “not good enough” for you from the get go; keep looking and cut him loose so he can be with a woman who appreciates him.

All of these observations seem self-evident to me, which leads me to ponder how did we get here?

by Dr Tara J. Palmatier, PsyD

a-fricking-men! :rockon:
 

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Warrior74 said:
All of these observations seem self-evident to me, which leads me to ponder how did we get here?

by Dr Tara J. Palmatier, PsyD
Men led us here. That's how.
 

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mens made women this way. at one time they were not like this. we made them like this whether any of you want to believe it or not.
 

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I've always been sadly amused at women who called them selves "Princess" or "Goddess" and a little worried about men who are looking for them. They want all the glory and none of the resposibility of the title.

I think many women will gain much understanding if they have to write these rules over 100 times. Everytime she breaks a rule, she has to write it 100 MORE times till she GETS IT!
 

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Men led us here? Really?

So lead us out man. Fvcking wank pithy comments ftl. Unhelpful git.
 

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when the human body produces antibodies, it makes many more varieties that it needs to. So when a particular antigen comes along, the corresponding antibody attacks it, and that triggers more of the same antibody to be made.

women come with several built in social strategies to get what they want. Whichever ones are the most effective, will be reproduced at large in society.

If men were generally self sufficient, (emotionally, psychologically, and financially), women would respond by being supportive, feminine, and demure.

Since men nowadays are generally a bunch of whining, undersexed, pu$$ies, women respond by effectively manipulating them with vague hints of sex.

Women only walk around entitled and believing they are princesses because it works. And it works because men, for the most part, reward that behavior.

If you behave effectively, and filter effectively, you needn't worry about sh*t like this.
 

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taiyuu_otoko said:
If men were generally self sufficient, (emotionally, psychologically, and financially), women would respond by being supportive, feminine, and demure.

Since men nowadays are generally a bunch of whining, undersexed, pu$$ies, women respond by effectively manipulating them with vague hints of sex.
^ This. I was talking to a female friend of mine, and she said she likes men that are older because they're more manly and self-sufficient.
 

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4. Men have feelings, too. They hurt just as much as you do when you criticize, reject, dismiss, ignore, make fun of, disrespect, invalidate and/or mock them. In fact, they may hurt more because they don’t have as many emotional outlets as you—especially if you tell him his feelings “don’t count” or to “be a man” when he expresses his feelings that you mistakenly claim he doesn’t have and/or is “wrong” for having. He has feelings and he has a right to them even when they’re not the same as yours and/or are expressed differently than you express yours.
EVERY women I have ever known is like this to some degree or another.

13. It is wrong to use your child(ren) to hurt, control or extort money from your husband/boyfriend/ex. In fact, it borders on child abuse. Children are not pawns or human shields to be used for your own selfish reasons. They’re people who will later grow to resent you for using them in this fashion and will likely develop psychological problems of their own as a result.
TRUE, but disturbing we live in times where women need to be told this.

From the comments:

I think there are other mental health professionals out there who think as I do, but choose not to speak out—probably because they eke out a living in the Estrogen Ghetto (i.e., the field of Psychology).
I have never heard Psychology called that before, but damn that's good!
 

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taiyuu_otoko said:
when the human body produces antibodies, it makes many more varieties that it needs to. So when a particular antigen comes along, the corresponding antibody attacks it, and that triggers more of the same antibody to be made.

women come with several built in social strategies to get what they want. Whichever ones are the most effective, will be reproduced at large in society.

If men were generally self sufficient, (emotionally, psychologically, and financially), women would respond by being supportive, feminine, and demure.

Since men nowadays are generally a bunch of whining, undersexed, pu$$ies, women respond by effectively manipulating them with vague hints of sex.

Women only walk around entitled and believing they are princesses because it works. And it works because men, for the most part, reward that behavior.

If you behave effectively, and filter effectively, you needn't worry about sh*t like this.
So true. When I first read what Pook wrote: 'The more of a man you become, the more feminine girls around you become.'

It seemed so far out there

But I have been experiencing it firsthand. This gives me even more motivation to continue to man-up.
 

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#13 resonates personally because I was that kid whose mom did this. When my wife and I were engaged I finally reconnected with my dad and learned the real deal. Now my dad and I have a very good relationship and my mom's and my relationship is permanently scarred. There was a LOT of pain and hurt and confusion in finding certain truths and my whole family life being blown upside down but it has made me a much stronger man.
 

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#13 resonates personally because I was that kid whose mom did this. When my wife and I were engaged I finally reconnected with my dad and learned the real deal. Now my dad and I have a very good relationship and my mom's and my relationship is permanently scarred. There was a LOT of pain and hurt and confusion in finding certain truths and my whole family life being blown upside down but it has made me a much stronger man.
 

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Whooosh!!

Didja hear that? That's the sound of all that going in one pretty little princess ear and out the other.

All you need to do is ask yourself why a woman would be disposed to any item on this list in the first place and you'll have a textbook understanding of feminine frame control.
 

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taiyuu_otoko you are a very very smart man.

It really is just that simple.
 

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backbreaker said:
taiyuu_otoko you are a very very smart man.

It really is just that simple.
Agreed

when the human body produces antibodies, it makes many more varieties that it needs to. So when a particular antigen comes along, the corresponding antibody attacks it, and that triggers more of the same antibody to be made.

women come with several built in social strategies to get what they want. Whichever ones are the most effective, will be reproduced at large in society.

If men were generally self sufficient, (emotionally, psychologically, and financially), women would respond by being supportive, feminine, and demure.

Since men nowadays are generally a bunch of whining, undersexed, pu$$ies, women respond by effectively manipulating them with vague hints of sex.

Women only walk around entitled and believing they are princesses because it works. And it works because men, for the most part, reward that behavior.

If you behave effectively, and filter effectively, you needn't worry about sh*t like this.
One of the best pieces of advice i've seen on here for a while.
 

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Phenomenal One said:
So men are responsibly for anything negative that woman do ?......

:crackup:
If you act like a man, you have more power over women than you think you do.

If you act like a loser, all bets are off
 

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Do what i did...... Stop hangin around these "Princesses"
Problem Solved

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If you act like a man, you have more power over women than you think you do.
If you act like a loser, all bets are off
People will treat you the way THEY want to, no matter if you're a DJ, AFC, Bad Boy, Nice Guy, etc.
 

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Rollo Tomassi said:
Whooosh!!

Didja hear that? That's the sound of all that going in one pretty little princess ear and out the other.

All you need to do is ask yourself why a woman would be disposed to any item on this list in the first place and you'll have a textbook understanding of feminine frame control.
Here's what I think will happen:

Either the men of the West will find a culturally acceptable way to reassert our domination over women OR a stronger culture such as Islam will come along and do it for us.

The cynic in me says it's gonna take Allah to get sh!t done.
 

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That is an article written for men, so that they can recognize and deal with the Princess. It's not for Her Royal Highness.
 
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