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-HPNOTIQ- said:
This is the first post I've read of potato's and I must say, he likes to shake the hornets nest. Although your style is confrontational and blasphemous to this community, I believe that all real truth start out as blasphemy. So I try to read into your arguement with an open mind…..


I'm in a state where I don't want a relationship now. I don't want to be married yet, and I enjoy the permiscuous benefits from the insite I've received on this forum. So to say it doesn't absolutely work - you're wrong friend.
When I first came upon all of this seduction stuff I was taken aback by the claims such as any man could get any woman using the right techniques. Reading through the literature it occurred to me that there was nothing there about actually getting the girl. Getting her phone number is far from getting her. Sure enough, when I started reading the forums, here and elsewhere, I encountered a rather common theme; guys getting the girl’s phone number but with her either not answering his calls or flaking on him latter on.

Likewise, when I read the book, The Game, and Neil Strauss described one occasion where the great Mystery had gone out and gotten a dozen phone numbers from girls he had gamed the night before. When he called, only one woman responded and when she arrived at the house Mystery shared with other PUA types she ended up playing the guys there, the so-called PUA experts, causing a great amount of turmoil.

As best as I can tell, the whole seduction business is based on picking up bar wh0res, not exactly the hardest women to pick up.

On the flip side, since discovering the seduction community I’ve asked couples who where in good relationships how it was that they came together. I have yet to find a couple that tells a story that resembles seduction community techniques.
 

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ketostix said:
Potato is a troll posing as a man on here. And even if potato isn't really a lesbian and is a male, potato just post a bunch of ridiculous claims and beliefs about PU. Maybe you are unfamilar with potato's ridiculous posting history and should read this post history or maybe you're just naive. You're suppose to be at least 25 to post in the MM. Anyway, if you want to believe potato's stories and think they're of any use have at it, but I'm going to challenge potato on the ridiculous points (s)he makes.
Ketostix is one of those momma’s boys that is naturally unpopular with women and for good reason. He tried a little pick-up technique and actually got a woman to talk with him. His experience is that women don’t naturally fall for men, as none has fallen for him. Yet millions of women around the world have fallen for men for no other reason than the woman thought the guy was what she wanted.

So when ketostix reads about a man who succeeds with women just because there are women that just naturally like him, it is outside of his experience so to him; it can never happen.

Actually ketostix has never challenged me. He just keeps throwing out his attempt at an insult with his lesbian nonsense.


As to my posting history try
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=141505
 

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potato said:
On the flip side, since discovering the seduction community I’ve asked couples who where in good relationships how it was that they came together. I have yet to find a couple that tells a story that resembles seduction community techniques.
Should be read as........ "Upon interviewing the WOMAN.... I have yet to find the WOMAN in a happy relationship with a man that she loves that SUSPECTED he used a seduction technique when they first met."

The "naturals", and even the not so naturals go undetected.

Ghad.

This is a textbook example of.... never EVER take relationship advice from a woman.

French fries, anyone?
 

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Blatant "Concern Troll"

EPIC FAIL
potato said:
Not long ago a man, who I’d seen around a few times, approached me, telling me that I should be “very nervous” because he was going to “steal away” my girlfriend. I just gave him a dry look and said, “I don’t think that she would agree” and walked away.

There is a friend of mine, Gary. When I’m away or busy and my girlfriend, Lilly, wants to go out, often she’ll get Gary to go with her. She tells me that she likes it when Gary goes with her as his presence tends to keep other guys from hitting on her all the time. I refer to Gary affectionately as my Babe Sitter. One day Gary was telling me that there is this guy, John, who told Gary to quit hanging around Lilly and give other guys a chance to hang out with her. Lilly gave John a good talking to.

And, last night I was at a party and this guy approached me and started telling me how wonderful he thought Lilly was, how she is so beautiful and funny and on and on. He obviously had a thing for her and was frustrated as could be. As he spoke I watched as Lilly socialized with others, watched as other men became spellbound by her – including at least two who had previously professed their love for her. I thought, yes she is beautiful and interesting and entertaining… I also thought back to when I first met her and how I had my doubts as to her beauty and to her social habits, how I worried that she might not fit into my life.

I thought about how it had taken three or four months of being “friends” with her before deciding that I wanted a relationship with her. Yet here are these men, a seemingly endless stream of them, who barely know her, who profess their love for her and their willingness to take care of her for the rest of her life – if only they had a chance, if only I would step aside.

It’s not just with Lilly but most my past girlfriends and my friends, Mary, Amanda, Susan, Kathleen and all the others I’ve written about. It brings back memories of my old girlfriend, Tami, with whom I witnessed literally hundreds of men making a play for her, all to no avail. It was during my time with Tami that I first became aware of the so-called seduction community. It was while hanging with Tami that I first saw, first hand, the practice of what the seduction community teaches and came to the realization that much of that practice, just as hitting on women in general, is highly ineffectual.

This all comes back to the internal question that I sometimes ask myself, “why her, why me?” Why is it that a woman who can have seemingly any man she wants, pick the one who did very little, specifically, to attract her. And why is it that even with many women vying for my attention it seems that only certain ones matter.

What it all comes down to is that Lilly and I are of a type. Same with the others – we are of a type. It reminds me of the title of a book I used to have, To Catch a Mouse Make a Noise Like a Cheese. You don’t get women by gaming them, by seducing them, by picking them up. You get a woman by being the type of man she wants.

There is a reason people like Ketostix, STR8UP, Colossus, Phyzzle, KnotrollerX, and a few others are so insistent that I am a woman. You see, broadly speaking, there are two types of people in the world, those who figure things out for themselves, and those who need direction. The above are of the second type. That is why they are here. They couldn’t figure out how to get women on their own so they turned to others. Unfortunately the seduction community gets its knowledge base from characters like Mystery, Johnny Soporno, Tyler Durden, and here, Rollo Tomassi. All with flaws and none of them of the type that women naturally fall for. Yet they are the standard by which men here use to judge how a man should be.

Thus when they read the musings of a man, who women do naturally fall for, they do not recognize the thoughts of a real man. Doubt me? Just try to act like Mystery, mental illness and all, and watch women describe you as a creep. Follow David DeAngelo’s advice and watch women flake on you. Follow Johnny Soporno’s advice and watch strippers have you thrown out. Follow Tyler Durden’s advice and get beaten up. Follow Rollo’s advice and you’ll never discover that women are more than just a piece of a$$.

Most women don’t like to be hit on, especially the ones that get hit on all the time. Most women like a man that they can talk to. This isn’t the type of talk that is standard of the seduction community. Rather women like a man who they can talk to on a personal level, as a friend, someone they can trust, someone they can believe in. The secret is to find women who see the world as you do, women who are on your level. Relationships with women should never be power struggles, they should be cooperative efforts.
Adding names to give credibility with no regard to anonymity?
Flame baiting... and using names?
Ridiculous counter-productive content mixed with some vague and generally accepted "good" content to cast off suspicions?


potato said:
When I first came upon all of this seduction stuff I was taken aback by the claims such as any man could get any woman using the right techniques. Reading through the literature it occurred to me that there was nothing there about actually getting the girl. Getting her phone number is far from getting her. Sure enough, when I started reading the forums, here and elsewhere, I encountered a rather common theme; guys getting the girl’s phone number but with her either not answering his calls or flaking on him latter on.

Likewise, when I read the book, The Game, and Neil Strauss described one occasion where the great Mystery had gone out and gotten a dozen phone numbers from girls he had gamed the night before. When he called, only one woman responded and when she arrived at the house Mystery shared with other PUA types she ended up playing the guys there, the so-called PUA experts, causing a great amount of turmoil.

As best as I can tell, the whole seduction business is based on picking up bar wh0res, not exactly the hardest women to pick up.

On the flip side, since discovering the seduction community I’ve asked couples who where in good relationships how it was that they came together. I have yet to find a couple that tells a story that resembles seduction community techniques.

I would have to say, if nothing else, that potato is a woman who got "ƒucked and chucked" and now has a vendetta. So, she is on a mission to "get back at" the community. She read "the game", which many women do since it is so widely advertised, and is using it as ammunition and to provide credibility. I've never read "the game", but have been accused of having read it by no less than 10 women: I'm beginning to think more women read that garbage than men actually do. potato, exact your revenge on Mystery's site if you have such a grievance with pick-up.


potato said:
Ketostix is one of those momma’s boys that is naturally unpopular with women and for good reason. He tried a little pick-up technique and actually got a woman to talk with him. His experience is that women don’t naturally fall for men, as none has fallen for him. Yet millions of women around the world have fallen for men for no other reason than the woman thought the guy was what she wanted.

So when ketostix reads about a man who succeeds with women just because there are women that just naturally like him, it is outside of his experience so to him; it can never happen.

Actually ketostix has never challenged me. He just keeps throwing out his attempt at an insult with his lesbian nonsense.


As to my posting history try
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=141505
So, the woman gets emotional when confronted and blows her concern troll cover: "ketostix is a b¡tch". It doesn't get more blatant when it comes to trolling.

But, she attempts to conceal her trolling by throwing up the smokescreen of
"look at my history, I'm authentic and reliable".

Nice run, Wyldfire.

You got banned at the end of May '07, and, in typical "crazy b¡tch scorned" fashion, plotted your revenge. You let the dust settle a few months (to get a new IP?), meanwhile, you probably read a post I threw up linking "concern trolling" and got an idea: come back as "potato" in October with a new trolling angle.

Does anyone remember how old Wyldfire was? 49-ish? Hmm...

Reminds me of that song... "I gouged my key into the side of his pretty little souped-up four wheel drive; carved my name into his leather seats..."

:crazy:

What's neat about being a man is, even if my claims are unfounded and you aren't the same drama whºre, I don't care. I'm entitled to my opinion, and, I have learned to be accountable; and thus, empowered myself to take actions to protect my well-being.

Welcome to my ignore list

...again. :rolleyes:

Adieu.


P.S. - Andy, hook a brotha up with summadose fries! :D
 

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potato said:
You get a woman by being the type of man she wants.
That is the biggest line of AFC feminized rubbish I have ever read. This is the type of advice a WOMAN would give a man on how to 'get' women.

Potato, you are a clown. Whether or not you really are a woman is irrelevant. You are so glaringly UNmasculine that no one can take you seriously.

potato said:
There is a reason people like Ketostix, STR8UP, Colossus, Phyzzle, KnotrollerX, and a few others are so insistent that I am a woman. You see, broadly speaking, there are two types of people in the world, those who figure things out for themselves, and those who need direction. The above are of the second type. That is why they are here. They couldn’t figure out how to get women on their own so they turned to others.
So why are YOU here, nancy? To bless us with your wisdom? To write dime-store romance novel stories and bicker with everyone about it? What are you getting from being here?

I think you love the attention. You feed off contention just like IQQI and a certain banned member who used to do nothing but deliberately argue with everyone. When you are called out for your theatrics you turn to absolute statements that misdirect the accountabilty--also like a woman.

The reason why everyone rips you for being a woman is because you consistently exhibit feminine qualities. No, really. No man with a functional set of balls would right this garbage, because that is what it is---fictional garbage.

Stop trying to prove your validity to everyone. You are wasting your time and everyone elses. If you want respect, go to a women's forum where this crap will resonate.
 

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I can't believe anyone here is still giving this lesbian troll potato the dignity of a serious response to any of her claims or wild lesbian stories.

Let it go guys this b!tch is clearly here to start sh!t likely because her man kicked her to the curb for a hotter younger piece of talent once she turned 40 and started packing on the pounds after her third child.

Now she's a man hating chunky feminist romance novelist lesbian who has nothing better to do with her time than harass guys that are learning how to handle women effectively like her ex husband handled her.

That being by booting her ugly ass out the door when she was no longer up to snuff.
 

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potato said:
Once we were waiting outside of a 7-Eleven waiting for some friends to show up. In the course of about an hour eight different men approached her and tried to interest her in themselves. I just stood back in mild amusement.
So what, were you standing on the other side of the parking lot or something? If you were waiting in front of 7-11 for an hour with your GIRLFRIEND, she wouldn't have 8 different men trying to "interest themselves in her". Unless you look and act like her gay best friend when you are around her, which I suppose isn't out of the realm of possibility......

I was talking about beautiful quality women, not the dogs that you lay with.
Yea, we all know beautiful "quality" women HATE to get hit on. I'll bet you also believe that women only go to clubs to dance and not show off to other women and get hit on by men.

The only people who believe this line of crap are women and hopeless AFC's.

Which one are you?
 

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potato said:
Once we were waiting outside of a 7-Eleven waiting for some friends to show up. In the course of about an hour eight different men approached her and tried to interest her in themselves. I just stood back in mild amusement.
This is just so utterly implausible I cannot even begin to imagine this happening. Its twilight zone stuff. I mean it wouldn't happen if someone who looked like Megan Fox was standing there with her man, let alone some 40 year old MILF. People in general avoid confrontation, so to think all of these different men will just come up to your woman and hit on her in front of you suspends all belief.

Comn guys, potato is either a troll or a women, or both. Quit giving it the time of day.
 

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potato said:
Not long ago a man, who I’d seen around a few times, approached me, telling me that I should be “very nervous” because he was going to “steal away” my girlfriend. I just gave him a dry look and said, “I don’t think that she would agree” and walked away.

There is a friend of mine, Gary. When I’m away or busy and my girlfriend, Lilly, wants to go out, often she’ll get Gary to go with her. She tells me that she likes it when Gary goes with her as his presence tends to keep other guys from hitting on her all the time. I refer to Gary affectionately as my Babe Sitter. One day Gary was telling me that there is this guy, John, who told Gary to quit hanging around Lilly and give other guys a chance to hang out with her. Lilly gave John a good talking to.

And, last night I was at a party and this guy approached me and started telling me how wonderful he thought Lilly was, how she is so beautiful and funny and on and on. He obviously had a thing for her and was frustrated as could be. As he spoke I watched as Lilly socialized with others, watched as other men became spellbound by her – including at least two who had previously professed their love for her. I thought, yes she is beautiful and interesting and entertaining… I also thought back to when I first met her and how I had my doubts as to her beauty and to her social habits, how I worried that she might not fit into my life.
Again, in real life this does not happen.
 

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Somebody needs to find that Family Guy clip where the strange village people point to the sky and go,

"Show me POTATO SALAD!"

...as the Griffins slowly back away and run away in their car...

What episode was that? Escapes me now...

I think potato might be Richard Simmons.
 

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potato said:
Once we were waiting outside of a 7-Eleven waiting for some friends to show up. In the course of about an hour eight different men approached her and tried to interest her in themselves. I just stood back in mild amusement.
This is just so utterly implausible I cannot even begin to imagine this happening. Its twilight zone stuff. I mean it wouldn't happen if someone who looked like Megan Fox was standing there with her man, let alone some 40 year old MILF. People in general avoid confrontation, so to think all of these different men will just come up to your woman and hit on her in front of you suspends all belief.
It was back in the days before cell phones. We were in our mid twenties. Earlier we had had a picnic in a park. When I returned after having gone to the restroom there was a man sitting at the picnic table with Tami. As I walked up he got up and started telling me that he was just inviting her to some church thing. She then said something about he was trying to get her to go with him. The guy then looked at me and asked me not to beat him up. I just sat down and said whatever and he walked off.

We walked up the road to where the 7-Eleven was. It was a hot summer afternoon and she wanted to call someone to come get us rather than trudge along in the heat. I sat down to the side of the parking lot where a tree was providing shade as she made her way to the telephone. After she finished her call, a man, who had just driven up, approached her and they talked for awhile. Soon they popped into the store and reemerged with her carrying one of those big fountain drinks. She quickly made a beeline to me. When the guy realized what was up, he turned back to his car and drove off.

She wanted to go sit in front of the 7-Eleven thinking that our friend could more easily see her there when he drove up. I told her that I’d rather sit in the shade so she went and stood up by the telephone by herself, which had a little shade as long as she leaned up next to the building. Over the next hour or so 7 more guys approached her as she stood there. One guy, after she rejected him, offered her a twenty to go with him, she took the twenty and again rejected the guy. I find this stuff amusing.

Back to my description of how women and men come together: I first met Tami at a party. There was a group of us sitting at a kitchen table, probably playing quarters. At some point I felt someone else’s foot against me so I moved my leg a little. A few minutes later and I felt a foot against me again. Again I moved my leg. She then said something to the effect of, “it’s not accidental” which at first confused me. She was sitting across from me and as her foot touched me again, by the look in her eye, I knew what was up.

Later on I was in the living room, or whatever it was, and sat down on a couch. Soon she sat down beside me and we talked for at least an hour. All the time I was sure that she liked me quite a bit which was okay with me as I was starting to really like her. Eventually I put my arm around her and as I did she rolled into me and with a little adjustment we began kissing.
 

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You’d be surprised how many guys fall for girls with just a wink and a smile.
Literally a wink and a smile making some guys profess love and a desire to take care of the woman for her entire life? Maybe some lonely saps may get infatuated, but otherwise this is an exaggeration.

So, if you're going to spin exaggerations as replies, then this discussion will never get anywhere because you'll just make circles and dodges and it's a waste of time.

Actually my method works regardless
Again, if a girlfriend flirts with other men, then your method is severely lacking because women don't flirt with other men - especially while in their company - when they're serious about someone and respect that person unless they have some dire attention needs, in which case, that's an emotional issue that signals not good relationship material.

So on both counts, your method is poor.

Now, assuming that they're not emotionally bagagged, why would your women disrespect you so? Your relationships are forged after some months of you being their friend, you wrote. When a girl meets a guy and really likes him, they don't want to be "friends", they look for more than that. But when women enter a relationship with a guy with whom they've been a friend for a while, then the majority of the time it's not one of the hottest relationships in town. It's more a tepid convenience then it is a torrid love affair.

Given the choice, I'd rather have the torrid love affair.

So it makes sense when you write how these women are entertaining other men with their patter while you're standing around nearby. You seem to be more of a convenience to them. Like I said, you're a beard. They don't respect you.

And from what you wrote, neither do these guys. From the guys telling you they want your girlfriend to the strangers per hour hitting on your women while you're standing right there in plain sight - in fact, these guys don't even see you as possibly being with the girl.

Now, why is that?
 

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potato said:
When I first came upon all of this seduction stuff I was taken aback by the claims such as any man could get any woman using the right techniques. Reading through the literature it occurred to me that there was nothing there about actually getting the girl. Getting her phone number is far from getting her. Sure enough, when I started reading the forums, here and elsewhere, I encountered a rather common theme; guys getting the girl’s phone number but with her either not answering his calls or flaking on him latter on.

Likewise, when I read the book, The Game, and Neil Strauss described one occasion where the great Mystery had gone out and gotten a dozen phone numbers from girls he had gamed the night before. When he called, only one woman responded and when she arrived at the house Mystery shared with other PUA types she ended up playing the guys there, the so-called PUA experts, causing a great amount of turmoil.

As best as I can tell, the whole seduction business is based on picking up bar wh0res, not exactly the hardest women to pick up.

On the flip side, since discovering the seduction community I’ve asked couples who where in good relationships how it was that they came together. I have yet to find a couple that tells a story that resembles seduction community techniques.
I already see the error in your judgement. You've made blanket statements about this forum from your experiences with other books, other forums, and other seduction sites. I'm assuming you've read 'some' stuff, tried the little of what you knew, and it didn't work out for you. So you come here to lay blame on ALL who use these so called techniques. Its like having a bad slice of pizza...and then telling others that ALL pizza is disgusting and we should all stop eating pizza.

I've lurked on this forum since 2001 and have posted since 2003...and the advice given on this forum is WAYYY different than the snares, traps, techniques and such found on fastseduction sites. If you do a little more homework, you will realize there are a myriad of seduction sites that help you get laid, pull numbers, enter a LTR, build confidence, get in shape, change your oil, talk about sports - if you look, this forum isn't all about chasing bar wh*res as you put it. Personally, I feel the senior members of this forum give advice which enables men to become confident with women. I think this site is less about snares, traps, and techniques...rather..its about building a confident, whole, man. One book, one forum, one sosuave poster doesn't speak for every man who wants to seduce a woman.

Maybe it is YOU who should realize there are quite a number of men on this site that disagree with you whole heartedly because our personal experience with women doesn't match yours.

Also, what in your mind justifies a 'good' marriage as you put it. I'll take that 'good' marriage idea with a grain of salt. There are plenty of good marriages that look spiffy on the surface...yet, deep down emotional issues remain.

Actually, you have enough posts and I'm sure enough opposition to your ideas that whatever I or anyone on this forum says to you will not matter. I doubt you will convert anyone here to potato-ism...but nice try though.:rock:
 

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potato said:
It was back in the days before cell phones. We were in our mid twenties. Earlier we had had a picnic in a park. When I returned after having gone to the restroom there was a man sitting at the picnic table with Tami. As I walked up he got up and started telling me that he was just inviting her to some church thing. She then said something about he was trying to get her to go with him. The guy then looked at me and asked me not to beat him up. I just sat down and said whatever and he walked off.

We walked up the road to where the 7-Eleven was. It was a hot summer afternoon and she wanted to call someone to come get us rather than trudge along in the heat. I sat down to the side of the parking lot where a tree was providing shade as she made her way to the telephone. After she finished her call, a man, who had just driven up, approached her and they talked for awhile. Soon they popped into the store and reemerged with her carrying one of those big fountain drinks. She quickly made a beeline to me. When the guy realized what was up, he turned back to his car and drove off.

She wanted to go sit in front of the 7-Eleven thinking that our friend could more easily see her there when he drove up. I told her that I’d rather sit in the shade so she went and stood up by the telephone by herself, which had a little shade as long as she leaned up next to the building. Over the next hour or so 7 more guys approached her as she stood there. One guy, after she rejected him, offered her a twenty to go with him, she took the twenty and again rejected the guy. I find this stuff amusing.

Back to my description of how women and men come together: I first met Tami at a party. There was a group of us sitting at a kitchen table, probably playing quarters. At some point I felt someone else’s foot against me so I moved my leg a little. A few minutes later and I felt a foot against me again. Again I moved my leg. She then said something to the effect of, “it’s not accidental” which at first confused me. She was sitting across from me and as her foot touched me again, by the look in her eye, I knew what was up.

Later on I was in the living room, or whatever it was, and sat down on a couch. Soon she sat down beside me and we talked for at least an hour. All the time I was sure that she liked me quite a bit which was okay with me as I was starting to really like her. Eventually I put my arm around her and as I did she rolled into me and with a little adjustment we began kissing.
So your girlfriend is a prostitute and you are a pimp.

Next time I would bust a cap in the trick and b!tch slap the ho for only bringing in a 20 for an hours work.

What a blatant fraud....
 

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potato said:
Ketostix is one of those momma’s boys that is naturally unpopular with women and for good reason. He tried a little pick-up technique and actually got a woman to talk with him. His experience is that women don’t naturally fall for men, as none has fallen for him. Yet millions of women around the world have fallen for men for no other reason than the woman thought the guy was what she wanted.
See you prove you're a clueless lesbian in every single line you post. I've been talking to woman for about 15 years before I ever came across any pick up material. I've seen the whole gamut of types of approaches and their results. I've sen young naturals who did things that were similar to the "technigues" you criticise so much, things like C+F, push/pull, takeaways, acting disinterested, be a challenge, playing the jealousy card, etc. One thing I've never seen is a guy with your mentality attract women sexually. You are at best the momma's boy and most likely a woman.

So when ketostix reads about a man who succeeds with women just because there are women that just naturally like him, it is outside of his experience so to him; it can never happen.
That's funny. I often say that looks and appearance matter. How many times have I said that you can't create attraction? You have to build strawmen to counter anyone who disagrees with you, but all we have to do use your own words to show your a troll.


Actually ketostix has never challenged me. He just keeps throwing out his attempt at an insult with his lesbian nonsense.
I'm not insulting you at all by calling you a lesbian. You're trying to insult our intelligence by posing as a man and building strawmen out of the whole PU "community". It couldn't be more obvious that you think like a woman.


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It's like STR8UP said, like any woman you are so convinced you're right even though what you're saying is laughable. I can't imagine any guy reading your post history and not belive you are a woman.
 

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potato said:
It was back in the days before cell phones. We were in our mid twenties. Earlier we had had a picnic in a park. When I returned after having gone to the restroom there was a man sitting at the picnic table with Tami. As I walked up he got up and started telling me that he was just inviting her to some church thing. She then said something about he was trying to get her to go with him. The guy then looked at me and asked me not to beat him up. I just sat down and said whatever and he walked off.

We walked up the road to where the 7-Eleven was. It was a hot summer afternoon and she wanted to call someone to come get us rather than trudge along in the heat. I sat down to the side of the parking lot where a tree was providing shade as she made her way to the telephone. After she finished her call, a man, who had just driven up, approached her and they talked for awhile. Soon they popped into the store and reemerged with her carrying one of those big fountain drinks. She quickly made a beeline to me. When the guy realized what was up, he turned back to his car and drove off.

She wanted to go sit in front of the 7-Eleven thinking that our friend could more easily see her there when he drove up. I told her that I’d rather sit in the shade so she went and stood up by the telephone by herself, which had a little shade as long as she leaned up next to the building. Over the next hour or so 7 more guys approached her as she stood there. One guy, after she rejected him, offered her a twenty to go with him, she took the twenty and again rejected the guy. I find this stuff amusing.

Back to my description of how women and men come together: I first met Tami at a party. There was a group of us sitting at a kitchen table, probably playing quarters. At some point I felt someone else’s foot against me so I moved my leg a little. A few minutes later and I felt a foot against me again. Again I moved my leg. She then said something to the effect of, “it’s not accidental” which at first confused me. She was sitting across from me and as her foot touched me again, by the look in her eye, I knew what was up.

Later on I was in the living room, or whatever it was, and sat down on a couch. Soon she sat down beside me and we talked for at least an hour. All the time I was sure that she liked me quite a bit which was okay with me as I was starting to really like her. Eventually I put my arm around her and as I did she rolled into me and with a little adjustment we began kissing.
I can't imagine anyone reading the bolded parts and not concluding this is a lesbian story. You remember all these details from 25 years ago, a guy buys Tami a slurpee then she runs away from him and he says to you "don't beat me up". But later your GF stands off to the side and 7 men hit on her. You originally met her at a party and she played footsy with you and you shyed away bust she persisted. It doesn't make sense and it doesn't add up unless you conclude you were two dykes hanging out. And you know the funniest part is all these guys you two were tooling wouldn't have happened if they followed the principles on here, the very principles you criticise.
 

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^^^ Thanks, but, I asked potato because I was curious as to hear potato's answer to that.

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darwinian_sympathiser said:
How many times do I need to say this: There are no AFCs, there are no Don Juans!!!

The "seduction community" is just a big marketing ploy for sad, insecure men to part money for "answers" that they think they will never get. They have these silly insecure thoughts in their heads that others are getting the women because of some techniques/methods/understanding that they think they can never work out for themselves.

The problem is that there are no "secrets". We are all alone in this world. Men should be looking inside themselves and ask what it is that they should be doing instead of looking to some self appointed guru to take the lead.

And who put these "gurus" there anyway? Why, these men who can't think for themselves, so they look to someone who claims he's done all the work so they don't have to. And yet, it never occurred to these people, if they bothered to figure things out for themselves, that they might see these "gurus" for what they really are: scam artists.

And yet, when someone posts something of worth and tells them how it REALLY is, he gets attacked relentlessly.
First off, I've never been a big supporter of "tactics" or gurus in the first place so I don't totally disagree with your point here. But potato totally misconstrues the seduction community and any an all tactics, like just about any woman would. Potato says things like, "there's nothing you can do to attract women, either a woman likes you or she doesn't", "Women are all magically attracted to me." (and brags on and on), "Just be yourself.", and writes line after line of ridiculous lesbian romance novel stuff. Potato is not the first to criticise gurus, hell even I do it at times, but potato criticises gurus in a manner only a woman would and not how men do. Potato has no point other than to be an antagonist.

Potato, my compliments for perceptive and enlightening posts.
This is where I totally disagree. Potato said nothing enlightening or really perceptive. There's not one single actionable suggestion in any of his posts. It's all a bunch of romance novel BS. Anyone who thinks potato is saying anything useful is a fool.
 

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Potato, don't kid yourself, your girlfriends were probably doing things to contribute to the way guys were toward them. I've gone to bars where some attractive girl is sitting alone, looking at me and smiling because she wanted me to come over and talk. But I know, as we all do, that women don't go out alone. Sure enough, her boyfriend or otherwise comes in sooner or later.
 

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darwinian_sympathiser said:
And who put these "gurus" there anyway? Why, these men who can't think for themselves, so they look to someone who claims he's done all the work so they don't have to. And yet, it never occurred to these people, if they bothered to figure things out for themselves, that they might see these "gurus" for what they really are: scam artists.
You and potato get this forum mixed with other books, 'gurus', and paid sites - Last I recall, I haven't paid a dime for the information and advice I recieced from this website. So don't assume that everyone on here was 'scammed' by these so called gurus.

And when it comes to attracting women...men should just figure it out for themseves? Ok sport...

Let's build an airplane. Here are the parts, go figure it out for yourself.
Let's build a better body. Here are some weights, go figure it out for yourself.
Let's invest in the stock market. Here are a few bucks, go figure it out for yourself.
Let's attract a woman. Here's your penis, go figure it out for yourself.

See how utterly ridiculous this sounds. In all of these endevours, you need a blueprint. A lot of what this particular forum provides is advice, insight, and opinion from guys who have been there. Now I don't know who Neil Strauss is, and I really don't care. Like anything in life, you will get bad advice and good advice. It is up to you to decide what works and what doesn't. I haven't seen his name on this particular forum giving advice, so Neil Strauss has no impact on my insights of women.

Also, knowledge is not power. It is the 'implimentation' of knowledge that will provide you power. In none of the readings I'm came across on this forum said that attraction is easy, and no work needs to be done.

For an overweight man, it takes work to go to the gym and get a nice body.
For an introvert, it takes work to muster up the courage to approach a woman.
For a divorced, pessimist, it takes work to get back into the game.

We choose the advice on this forum that sounds good to us, and what works for us. As you choose to listen to potato's advice, I chose not to. But, don't make blanket statements that ALL the information here is wrong or incorrect. Don't assume the men here are insecure sheep. I give thanks to guys like Pook, Rollo, STR8UP, Ketostix, Diesel, squirrels, Giovanni, Desinova, and many others that gave me the one thing that I needed - a little affirmation. I have to put in the work at the gym, at the nightclubs, and at the other social events I attend - but, having a forum where an exchange of ideas and advice is necessary for my particular blueprint.
 
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