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ultimate lost theory (super long)

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ok, im about to post an epic theory on what is going on in Lost. im absolutely convinced i've figured out what is going on, so only read if you are prepared to know the truth.

it took me a while to figure this out, so at least prop me for the effort! :p

here we go....
 

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so what is lost? what is real?

the ONLY thing that is real in Lost is Ben (well actually Jacob). all the other characters are multiple personalities residing in Jacob/Ben. whhaaaat? you say.

i know, not what you were expecting, but i will lay down the evidence for this in the following post, and in the end you will see that i am correct.

let's start with some basic facts on which this theory is founded.

Ben
- hated father, killed father
- mother died when he was born

Main Shows characters / Primary personalities of Ben multiple personality disorder

- Sawyer: Father killed himself and his mother in a murder suicide ( felt abandoned)
- Jack: Father is dead (jack hated his father) (felt abandoned)
- kate: father is dead / surogate father abadoned her
- Hurley: father abadoned him
- Locke: father and mother abadoned him (he was an orphan) / surogate father tried to kill him
- Jin - mother abadoned him / father tricked him (told him she was dead)
- Charlie - mother dead / father a drunk
- shannon - father died / step mother (and boone) conned her took all her inherentence (felt abandoned)
- claire: father abadoned her / mother died
- walt: abadoned by his father twice (michael). his mother also died (in australia).
- desmond - tbd (we know nothing of desmonds parents) (we do know that he abandoned pennelope)

the theme of this show is ABANDONMENT! all of the characters have abadonment issues, because they are all personalities created by Ben's mind. All the 'sub themes' (anger, control, death, being a coward, running away, facing your demons, loops / circles, forgiveness, etc) are all part of having an abandonment complex.

[quick aside: remember when echo, the black guy who was the priests brother, was with ben when the losties captured him. he asked ben for forgiveness. ben asked him why he was asking him. echo said because he was there. - remember: ben doesn't know these characters are personalities within him.]

now there are primary 'personalities' on the island such as above. and then there are 'bit' players / personalities - such as rose, bernard, libby, the russian, etc.

while i have no proof as of yet, i'm beginning to think the 108 is actually a reference that ben has 108 multiple personalities, some of them main ones, others are minor ones. but we'll get into the numbers aspect of the show later.
 

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now before i go into this theory further, i want to address up front the whole science aspect of the show. how did the plane crash? what about the button? purple sky? desmond's time travel? etc.

- i believe that Ben/Jacob (keep in mind, he is a real person - but not on the island) was some kind of theoretical scientist. as such, when he created this 'island' (which is really an escape from reality) he built it around what he knew. the whole thing is a construct of Ben's mind. So the science elements of it are merely constructs based on his imagination.

now another critcism against my theory is that the producers have said 'the survivors aren't dead' and that 'the island is real' etc.

- its true, the survivors aren't dead, because they don't exist to begin with. they are personalities within Ben

- the dharmma initiative may have been real. it may very well have been a scientific collaboration on some island. there were no hostiles. just scientists doing zoology and social living experiments. ben's father may have been real. the project may have been shut down and everyone left. OR ben may have killed them. either way, ben (really jacob) would have been left on the island all by himself where he continues to exist with multiple personalities. OR the whole island could simply be part of the delusion. (this will become clearer as we go on)

ok, now lets get back to the theory of Ben's MP disorder.

now, some of you will say 'come on, as if he could create something this elaborate in his mind!' so lets

address that....

- ben's daughter Alex was 'born' on the island over 16 years ago - her mother tells us this in season 3.

- we know ben started 'imagining' things as a child (seeing his dead mother, meeting the hostiles, etc.)

- when ben is talking to sawyer (when he put the fake pace maker in sawyer) he tells sawyer "A guy goes nuts if he's got nobody.' and also references something about going nuts if you are alone for a long time.

- now if you know the character Richard (seems to be second to ben, although isn't really given orders ever) - when ben was a child and he left the Dharma barracks, he comes across Richard in the woods. but while ben is a child Richard is the same age as he is currently in the show. Richard doesn't age.

- ben has also said 'god doesn't know how long we've been here' and 'god and the world can't see the island' (remember our abadonment theme - these quotes are from a man who is 'lost' and 'abadoned')

anyway, these points suggest that these multiple personalities (and this story line) have been 'growing' in ben for a long time (since he was a child probably). i think what we will find out is that the real ben (whoever he
may be in real life) started off with a personality or two and it grew from there.
 

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now i want to take a second to discuss the book clues we find in Lost. there are a number of books that appear during the show, including:

Are you there God? It's Me, Margaret by Judy Bloom
importance: about a child's quest for a single religion; she does a year long study project where she studies people's beliefs.

Turn the Screw
importance: ghost story of two children whose parents die and they go live with their uncle. he ignores them and leaves them in the care of a caretaker.

The Third Policeman

importance: story of a murderer (unnamed through the novel) who searches for a black box. when he finds the box, he finds his 'soul' and names it Joe. Joe provides him with advice as the story goes on. turns out the box
contained 'omnium', which can become anything he wants.he also finds himself out of synch with space and time

(for instance, only a few days pass, but his accomplice has aged 20 years). the book also puts forth the theory that nighttime is the accretion (something that grows in size) of 'black air' (smokie anyone?)

The Brothers Karamazov
importance: three brothers murder their father. super complicated plot to explain so i won't even bother. I will say this though, the book takes strongly into account the philosophy of Nikolai Fyodorovich Fyodorov which advocated a Christianity in which human redemption and resurrection could occur on earth through sons redeeming the sins of their fathers to create human unity through a universal family. (sounds sort of like lost).

Lancelot
importance: story of a man in an insane assylum for killing his wife - where he questions what exactly is right and wrong and how it applies to the notion of God our mutual friend
importance: working class family inherents riches (hurly anyone?)

Carrie (by stephen king - the book that juliette had)
importance: carrie has abusive mother who conceived her through the rape of her alcoholic father. develops psychic powers and kills a bunch of people. (kate anyone? - carrie lit a school on fire, kate blows up her house and drives away as it burns.)

Of mice and Men
importance: two immigrant workers settle down on a farm. one of them just wants 'soft rabbits which he can pet' (remember the rabbit with the 8 on it at Ben's compound?). anyway, one of the men accidentally kills someone. in the end they both die. also, one of the two men is called lennie - lennie is also the name of the man who gave hurley the lotto numbers in the asylum.

John lescroart (author name visible only. book not identifable)
improtance: he's a crime writer. probably just thrown because producers like his books

ardill 22 / catch 22 (english title)
importance: war novel that explores the prisoners dillema (to cooperate or not with a group). anyway, the book is written across time and location - so the story is fragmented as the reader jumps around all over the place.

(just like lost).

so......

why do all these books matter? well Ben has read them all! he's using pieces of these various stories to create a patchwork reality (which is the island and to a lesser degree parts of the characters as well).
 

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ok, now lets take a look at the biggest mystery... Jacob.

Jacob
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SO who is jacob? remember when ben took locke to the cabin and there was no jacob. people are speculating that jacob is in another world, or that he is a god, etc. Jacob, i believe, is Ben. but its unclear just yet whether Ben is merely the 'island' version of Jacob (ie. one of his multiple personalities). so imagine Ben but in the real world. something horrible happens. he breaks down. he starts forming multiple personalities. Ben may have been the very first one. the one that is closest to his true self - Jacob.

Its clear that Jacob has all the power, but that Jacob doesn't actually get involved in this alice in wonderland fairy tale, Ben does that. Ben is the personification of Jacob's psychological issues. or it may also be that Jacob is Ben as he was a child. when ben is talking to jacob in the cabin, he talks to
him like a child (soft voice, negotiating with him like a child, etc.). So its unclear who Ben really is - is he really Jacob and Ben is an fictition persona of Jacob's problems OR is Jacob actually just another Ben creation - a king / ruler of a fictious world.

we won't know the answer to this for a while.

- it should be noted that Jacob healed Julliette's sister of cancer in the outside world. this re-inforces the dichotomy that Ben rules the island and Jacob rules the external world. remember, none of these people exist, its just further representation of the fractured psyche of ben/jacob.

- Jacob also says to Locke "help me". remember, jacob is the person who had a break down and is 'lost' and who created all these characters. Locke is his salvation - who will overthrow Ben and end this insanity and resolve all these personal demons. Jacob is asking Locke to help him regain his mind if you will.

Now let's look at the issues surrounding some of the other characters...
 

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Walt and Michael

- walt and michael represent a scenario wherein the father / son dynamic gets resolved. this is why they are allowed to leave the island.

- is there anything that suggests they are fictious? yep! when walt is being taken away by his mom, michael gives him a stuffed polar bear as a present. surprise surprise. you see, as i will show as, all these characters have unexplainable overlapping connections. in this case, stuffed polar bear, then polar bears on the island. how is this possible? very simply, Ben's mind (the real ben, not hte island ben) is creating the story and as such is creating repeating themes subconsciously.

- when walt left the island he in essence got buried in Jacob/Ben's psyche. this is why when he is seen warning shannon to stay quiet, he has water dripping from his mouth and his words are unintelligible. being off the island means he's no longer a part of ben's island reality, but still exists, just that hes buried in ben's psyche. walt though was trying to warn shannon. so walt in essence is trying to protect the other multiple personalities from Ben.

- we do see walt return when Locke is in the ditch after being shot by Ben. the reason he was able to come back is because as the island goes to war ben's ability to control the delusion is diminishing. when walt comes back the first person he contacts is Locke. why is this? ....

- when desmond approaches his scientific friend about time travel, his friend is in the middle of saying to a colleague 'its amazing 10 different experiences, 10 different outcomes'. what does this mean? each one of ben's multiple personalities is an attempt to resolve his issues, they are all 'attempts / experiments'.

[remember, all we know is that Jacob/Ben has some SERIOUS issues around abandonment and his father and mother - which is well respresented in all the 'characters']

anyway, Locke's ability to hear Jacob makes him the one multiple personality (outside of Ben) that is successful if you will - the one experiment that seems to be working - although ben doesn't understand how this is happening or its significance (ben doesn't actually know all these characters are multiple personalities, or what is actually going on - remember, he's bonkers in the real world!).

you see, Locke is the ONE character that 1) overcomes all his unresolved issues but also 2) protects the other multiple personalities by trying to keep them all on the island. he's resolved Ben's issues but that resolution has bubbled up into Jacob's conscious mind (ie. Ben may still be able to stop that from happening, hence why he tries to kill Ben).

Walt goes to Locke because Locke is the one multiple personality that has gotten past his issues - and in doing so has the power to overthrow Ben (ie. resolve Ben's issues).

- when walt is taken from michael he goes to live in rome (i think this is just to confuse us into thinking this all might have something to do with religion - ie. vatican - total red herring) [remember, its so easy for them to create dead ends, because something can either be significant or merely be made up at the whim of the personal having the delusion].

Libby

- so we know libby was in the assylum with Hugo. she was also in Desmonds reality and gave him the sail boat.

- what we are seeing here is Ben's mind re-using characters in different plotlines for his various multiple personalities.

- libby is also the personality that understands the other personalities. she helps hurley. she understands

that sawyer is scared. etc. - she's the therapist personality (remember, ben/Jacob has TONS of these suckers in his head, each serving a different psychological purpose).
 

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Desmond

- desmond went back in time right? wrong.

- when desmond becomes a monk and gets fired he's saying goodbye to another monk. on the monks desk is a picture. the picture is of the monk and the old lady (psychic) that desmond met at the jewlery store. once again, this is merely ben's mind merging elements of the story together.

- when desmond turned the key, this was representative of the multiple personalities 'crossing the line' - of breaking out of the constructed reality by letting the clock tick down (of having free will). when he turns the key, it symbolizes a new beginning on the island - a war if you will. a war between 'the others' who want to stay on the island and not return to reality, and the losties, who want to return to their lives (remember, they don't know they are merely different personalities of the same person - they think they actually exist - except for locke that is who may have figured out he doesnt).

- this point is further supported by the fact that when desmond failed to hit the button, it created the magnetic anomoly that crashed the plane and brought the 'Losties' to the island. failing to hit the button - an act that is tantamount to showing free will - causes a psychological reaction in Ben/Jacob (in this case, the creation of more multiple personalities).

- when desmond 'goes back in time' he sees charlie playing on the streets. charlie has a sign in his guitar case with the word 'hieronymus' - this is the name of a painter who created a painting called 'the garden of
earthly delights'you can see a picture here:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/GardenED.jpg

you can see that its a place between heaven (garden of eden) and hell. this once again is merely symbology (which Lost is filled with). its also a clear indication that desmond is NOT back in reality - his 'story' is still being crafted by Ben's delusions and is an extension of the psychological war going on inside of Ben/Jacob.

- when the old lady says 'you don't buy the ring!' - what this really means is that Ben's multiple personalities are starting to behave of their own accord. that he is losing control of them. this is not the 'history' that ben had written for Desmond. she also says 'you do it becuase your suppose to.' indicating that desmond is NOT suppose to have free will.

- this sentiment is also reiterated by Echo when he says to locke "we do it because we believe we are meant to." (in reference to pushing the button). - once again, these characters aren't suppose to have free will. they are meant to be 'control' - they are creations made for a specific purpose, which does not include changing their fates.

Hugo

- hugo represents the side of Ben that is out of touch with reality. hugo sees imaginary people, green sqwacking bird that says his name, is in an asylum, etc.

- hugo is merely the honest part of Ben. the part that realizes that this is all not real.
 

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Richard

Richard is the guy who recruited Juliette, met ben in the forest, and currently is part of Ben's 'others'. he hasn't aged a day through all of this.

He's also the guy who guided Locke to get sawyer to kill Locke's dad (he's assisting Locke in becoming a more dominant personality - resolving his father issues). He's also the one who told Locke that Ben was "waisting our time with fertility experiments."

- Richard may very well be one of the multiple personalities that is realizing the island is a big delusion and that Ben is merely trying to keep that delusion going. since he met ben when ben was a child, he's definitely going to be one of the oldest multiple personalities, and is probably much more aware of what is actually transpiring.

In essence Ben is manipulating / lying to the other multiple personalities in order to keep them on the island. he finds what will keep them invested in the island (whether that be pushing a button, love, fear, etc) and uses it to keep them from disrupting his reality. the fact that Richard helps Locke says to me that Richard sees Locke as a personality that could become dominant and overthrow Ben.

The Oceanic 6

this is a total red herring. there was no plane crash, there is no island. what the oceanic 6 will likely turn out to be is 6 of the multiple personalities who refuse to die - this is why sayid ends up working for Ben. Ben doesn't want to stop existing, and neither do kate, jack, and 3 other of the personalities.
the people that Ben is fighting against, and who sayid is tracking down and killing, are probably fictional.

Jacob is probably is counselling of some sort, getting better in the real world, but there are still six multiple personalities trying to survive. this is also why we see Jack say they have to go back. at some point in the plot, jacob will start to get his mind back. which means all the characters will stay on the island, never to be heard from again - living out their fictional lives in Jacob's subconscious. Jack (and the oceanic 6) realize this. Jack accepts that by
existing off the island he is hindering Jacob's recovery and wants to go back because he knows its the right thing to do.

kate, sayid, etc. are more stubborn and refuse. they'll probably play out some big drama where people are hunting down kate nad sayid etc. - and we as the viewer will think its all real - but really it will still be a drama between multiple personalities going on inside 'jacobs' head. this is the genuis of the series. they have 'conned' us into being emotionally invested in the 'characters', which would be the very thing that the real and only character (jacob) would be experiencing himself!

Claire and Juliette

nothing too special about claire. the whole infertility thing exists because Jacob is a real person, stranded on an island by himself for a long long time. in order to explain why he has no children, the delusion incorporates this notion of women not being able to produce children on the island. claire being able to have a kid is merely the result of a delusion taking on more advanced psychological characteristics. remember, the losties represent a shift in Jacob's psychological state, Ben represents the standning order of things.

the Losties are destroying the illusion Jacob has created for himself. they stop pushing the button, Locke comes to grips with his issues, and Claire is able to have a baby. all of this is destroying the world Ben has created.
 

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the numbers
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ok, we got some numbers in Lost that everyone keeps wondering about.

1) 4,8,15,16,23,42
- these numbers appear: on the hatch, are the code for the button, on hurley's lotto ticket, on the syrum bottle that ethan uses on claire

2) The clock

- we are lead to believe the button must be pushed every 108 minutes. BUT, when we first meet desmond and he goes to push the button, the clock reads 432:47. and when we first meet Kelvin (who rescued desmond on the
beach) the clock read 310:24. for both these guys, the moment they hit the button, the clock reset to 108:00 and the process continued just as it did for the losties (for whom the clock always reset to 108:00). but CLEARLY the timer does not always run based on 108 minutes.

3) The painting on the wall - 108

in the hatch the wall is painted on. included in this painting is a circle with the number 108. just to the left of that are the numbers 166. and to the far right are the numbers 42. at the bottom of the painting there includes the world MSICK. there is also a large arrow pointing to the top of the painting. at the top there is also two stick figures, one is white and one is black.

also when desmond has his flash back and is a monk, he is talking to another monk who tells him that they have only bottled 108 cases this year. also in this flash back, desmond looks at his clock and it says 1:08.

so what does all this mean?

the numbers mean nothing. the numbers were created to keep the personalities in check - puzzles to keep them busy and confused. they may end up meaning something in the end, but as of right now there is no way for us to tell. the button was nothing but a task to keep the characters from developing free will. same with hurley's

lotto numbers - overlapping coincidences to get them to believe that everything is fated and they don't have free will (remember echo says 'don't confuse fate with coincidence'). what echo is saying is that just because
it looks like you have no free will (ie. that fate is in charge) that isn't necessarily the case.

just like the numbers take us down the looking glass and make us buy into the story that something fantastical must be happening here, they also trick Jacob/Ben's multiple personalities into thinking the same thing!!!!

Repeating themes

so if this is all in Ben/Jacob's head, it wouldn't be surprising if his subconscious created repeating themes.

re-using various elements in different settings. some examples of this are...

- getitng hit by a car: michael gets hit by a car. juliettes ex husband gets hit by a bus. hurley hits one of the 'others' with a car / van.

- macutcheon whiskey: we see this wiskey (which is SUPER expensive. probably 10 grand a bottle or more) in a variety of settings. when desmond meets penny's dad. when desmond is at the bar. and when locke goes to meet his father (who then pushes him out the window). once again, this is ben's mind re-using story elements when creating 'histories' for his mulitple personalities. (think Usual Suspects - but Lost is more like Usual Suspects on steroids!)
 

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Biblical references

the following bible passages are used in Lost (through the Echo character)

Acts 4:12
12Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."

John 3:05
5Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.

Romans 6:12
12Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires

Genesis 13:14
14 The LORD said to Abram after Lot had parted from him, "Lift up your eyes from where you are and look north and south, east and west.

importance: none really. just an ongoing play on theology. remember the book 'are you there god?" about a girl who tries to find one religion. this is also what the symbology is about. all this stuff is merely Jacob's attempt to unify all these ideas into a singular philosophy.

The Use of the word Dharma

- so we got a swan division of darma, a 6 headed hydra division, and a flame division (and probably a few more). these symbols probably come from somewhere, but we won't know until later. once again, its going to come
from various mythology / lore.

- for instance, in buddhism (remember dharma is a buddhist term), the guy who founded buddhism (Siddhartha Gautama) saved a swan that had been shot by an arrow, this was the beginning of the creation of Buddhism.


Organizations

- dharma, alvar hanson, mittelose bioscience, etc

- these are all figments of Ben's mind. they might have some basis in reality that we will find out later on (it might turn out that Jacob worked at these places or something, so they are therefore incorporated into this grand fantasy / delusion he's having).

- when they are brainwashing carl there is a frame where it shows alvar hanson. i believe this scene where they are brainwashing carl is merely a glimpse into fragmented components to Ben's mind.

Dharma versus the hostiles

- before the losties arrived it was dharma on one side the 'hostiles' (now 'the others') on the other. ben was on the dharma side (ie. science) but then betrayed them all (and killed them) and joined the hostiles (the faith / religion side). this represents Ben turning his back on science (ie. answers) and beginning down the path to being a God (ie. where might and will determine right and wrong) (remember, this is all a delusion - Jacob probably tried to get
off the island using science, failed, and then gave up on science and started the faith side of his delusion).

But going back in the storyline...Ben joins the hostiles because he doesn't care about answers anymore, he wants to become RULER! (ie. go from being a coward to being in control - once again, playing to the abandonment theme)

- this is why locke scares Ben, because Ben threatens to take his place (ie. a lesser multiple personality is rising up and becoming more dominant).

- anyway, dharma, the hostiles, the others - you got it - all just delusions of Ben/Jacob.
 

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Miscellaneous elements of the theory

- Hurley says he won 153M in the lottery. yet in a flash back when he is being interviewed on tv, the reporter says he won $114M. somethings not right there! while this could be used to prove some kind of alternate
reality theory, i dont buy it. theres no reason to change his lotto winnings. so why did that detail change? based on the MP theory, its simply an issue of Ben's mind having trouble keeping straight all the details.

- "we're already dead" - you will see multiple characters use this line. sawyer used it. sayid used it. anna lucia used it. Ben has even used it. (which suggests that Ben may be aware that he's just another multiple personality and that if jacob wakes up, he will die just like all the others). i'm beginning to strongly think that ben's power is that he is the one multiple personality that KNOWS he doesn't actually exist in reality (that in reality he's jacob). but what we are seeing is that Locke is realizing this also (but to a lesser
extent).

- dharma stands for underlying order in nature and life. all this religion symbolism is merely meant to throw people off track into thinking the series might be about something theological. none of this is actually about
religion or god etc. its all an internal drama being played out in ben's head. whoever ben is in the real world, he's probably read a book or two about buddhism and hence incorporated it into his delusion / the island. (although, Ben's/Jacob's internal stryfe over whether god exists or not is real).

- technology versus fate. this is merely an internal struggle Ben/Jacob is having in his mind. if he is a scientist of some sort (which i believe), and he's had a break down due to some life altering event (say being abandoned on the island), he's merely playing out the struggle between why things happen - is it simply atoms and the like, or is there a greater power at work. while this appears to be the central theme of the show, its actually not, its a sub theme. the central theme is psychological in nature (ie. abandonment, getting lost, redemption). but this sub theme is represented in Jack (science) versus Locke (faith) - and how the two of them kind of became co-leaders of the losties.

- smokie. ok lets talk about smokie for a second. on the island it is clearly a mind reading device. when it scanned echo, if you slow it down on your dvd player, you see that echo's 'memories' get displayed in the black cloud. it also makes noise like its a machine. this is just a creation of Ben's imagination from reading the Third Policeman. smokie lets echo go. but later, it kills echo. why you might ask?

when smokie first met echo, echo had found the lord and was repentant. but later in the show, echo meets his brother and has a change of heart and says 'i did what i had to do. i am not sorry!'. the next time smokie meets echo, it kills him. basically, if a character is good, smokie won't hurt them. hence why locke and juliette were both unharmed after being scanned. Juliette did stop smokie once using the magnetic barrier, but not to save herself, but to save kate (who was with her). if a character is bad, they get killed. think of smokie as the real Ben/Jacob's conscience. scanning through his multiple personalities and 'judging' them.

- the famous desmond question 'what did one snowman say to the other snowman?". this actually isn't a riddle, but rather a statement. all the characters in Lost are snowman - ie. they don't exist. a snowman is something that resembles a human being (ie. has a body, a face, etc.) but is not alive. Ben's mulitple personalities are like snowmen - they exist but aren't real. they are just creations residing inside a snow globe.

- ms. clue is the black lady that helped kidnap walt. she is also the nun is Echo's church when he was a kid. once again, this is simply Ben's brain re-uses components to create personal histories for his personalities.
she also says to michael "is he (walt) your biological son? then how come you know so little about him?" (which is the exact same thing michael's ex-wife's lawyer said to him at their custody meeting).

- you know how ben has every detail on every single person on the island? cuz he created their personal histories in his mind. yes, i know, they try to convince us that someone on the outside is gathering this info. but come on - everyone's 'files' have details about them that no one could ever possibily find out. the reason the files contain that info is because Ben/Jacob created their personal histories and created those files (its all part of the delusion he is playing out).

- to the point above. it should be noted, when i say Ben its with the caveat that ben himself may very well be simply the dominant personality of Jacob's multiple personalities. With that in mind, an interesting fact is that when the plane crashes, ben asks for a list of the passengers (the russian is to collect this from the outside world). this suggests Ben isn't creating the delusion, but rather Jacob is (ie. Jacob being the person in real life with these multiple personalities). Since jacob created all these characters, he is able to provide ben with all their information.

- remember that ben lies to EVERYONE! he's the master manipulator. hes the most dominant of all the multiple personalities. but the twist is that he's even lying to himself! all of this so that Jacob doesn't face reality / recover in the real world.

- when jack goes to call for rescue ben says 'making that call is the beginning of the end.' - as long as the multiple personalities are controlled on the island, life for them goes on. but once they can't be controlled, once they leave the island, this will cause psychological changes in Jacob that will threaten the fictional reality he created (assuming Jacob is a real person in the real world).
 

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Unanswered questions:

- symbology. Lost is filled with various symbols. the Jesus Fish is everywhere. if you slow down the brainwashing scene with carl you'll see that each frame has a symbol in it. it would take forever to hunt these down so im not going to bother.but i bet you could probably find each of the symbols that appear on the count down clock in the hatch in egyptian and asian symbology and find a meaning.

- kate sees a black horse. who knows (or cares) what this is about.

- when jack goes to the funeral, the priest asks him if he was a family or friend of the deceased. he says neither. who knows whats going on here, could be anything (but one of the multiple personalities died, thats for sure).


loose end

- this is a loose end. the dharmma initiative may have been real. it may very well have been a scientific collaboration on some island. there were no hostiles. just scientists doing zoology and social living experiments. ben's father may have been real. the project may have been shut down and everyone left. OR ben may have killed them. either way, ben (really jacob) would have been left on the island all by himself where he continues to exist with multiple personalities (probably since the 1970s or so). OR the whole island could simply be part of the delusion. since the producers have said the island exists, its very feasible that the above explanation is the case. its also possible that "ben" was left on the island by mistake - when dharma packed up to go home, he was 'lost' in the jungle and they left him there. this allows for:

1) the island to exist
2) for the characters not to be dead (they are multiple personalities)
3) for the island not to be a metaphysical place like purgatory
4) this plays to the shows theme "Abandonment"
5) this explains why all the technology is old (they have contact with the outside world. are you telling me

they wouldn't have brought newer equipment to the island? everything is from the 1970s).

the only inconsistency would be the satellite phone (if ben was left on the island how could he imagine such a thing).

answer: perhaps Jacob was rescued and is now in the real world, but his delusion continues on in the form of Ben on the island. so the technology in the delusion was 1970-ish, until jacob was rescued and saw things like
satellite phones. but jacob is in some assylum somewhere, his brain still scrambled, and the island delusion continues on, except it now incorporates newer technology that he's been exposed to.

so no time travelling. no magnetic field that crashes a plane. none of all that stuff. this is one big delusion that someone is having (likely by the name of jacob).

this show is going to end the same way that the movie 'The Usual Suspects' ends - where all the clues were right in front of your eyes but you were so invested in the storyline that you refused to put the pieces of the puzzle together - in essence, its the ultimate con on the viewer.

in short, this is the story of a person (Jacob?), with a scientific background, who was probably left on an island all alone for a very long period of time, who created multiple personalities to cope with the isolation, who used elements of various books he had read to create this reality, and who has SEVER abadonment issues!

so what do you think? i think i've hit about as close to the target as you can given what we know has gone on in the show so far.
 

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joekerr31 said:
- kate: father is dead / surogate father abadoned her
- Locke: father and mother abadoned him (he was an orphan) / surogate father tried to kill him
- claire: father abadoned her / mother died
kate thought her real father was one man, and killed her abusive step father, who turned out to actually be her real father and she was later abandoned by the man she believed to be her father.

locke's real father tried to kill him not surrogate, and then he was brought to the island and ben told him to kill his father, he could not so he enlisted sawyer to do it for him, as instructed by richard. sawyer only did it because locke's father turned out to be the real sawyer (con man who conned his mother out of his father's money that made his father kill his mother , then kill himself...)

claire's father is dead, as it is also jack's father.
 

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penkitten said:
kate thought her real father was one man, and killed her abusive step father, who turned out to actually be her real father and she was later abandoned by the man she believed to be her father.

locke's real father tried to kill him not surrogate, and then he was brought to the island and ben told him to kill his father, he could not so he enlisted sawyer to do it for him, as instructed by richard. sawyer only did it because locke's father turned out to be the real sawyer (con man who conned his mother out of his father's money that made his father kill his mother , then kill himself...)

claire's father is dead, as it is also jack's father.
locke was an orphan. not sure if the guy who tried to kill him was his real father or not. if he was then he abandoned him, then later tried to kill him.

claires father first abandoned her, then died later (agreed, hes jack's father also).

but keep reading, you'll see the theory makes total sense.
 

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i think you put tons of time into this thread joekerr.
there are many more themes than abandonment in lost
heres a list
http://lostpedia.com/wiki/Portal:Themes

so do you really think that ben is the only person on the island alive and that everyone else is just his other personalities?
creative idea.... i will have to ponder this.
 

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JEEZ Joekerr!

Did you type all this out yourself? I'm impressed! I thought you were going to watch all 3 seasons first?

Man I stopped reading halfway through.....

It was so good, I was starting to worry that you've spoiled it...
 

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joekerr31 said:
locke was an orphan. not sure if the guy who tried to kill him was his real father or not. if he was then he abandoned him, then later tried to kill him.
his mother told him he was the product of an immaculate conception like jesus, however when he was an adult, she got him to meet his father so the father could con him out of his kidney and he paid her to do it. so they got to know each other, then he gave him the kidney, then he was abandoned again. after time, the father was going to remarry someone to use her for her money, locke tried to stop him, whereas the father tried to kill him by throwing him out of a window several stories, leaving him unable to use his legs and confined to a wheelchair.
 

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joekerr , i think there are a few things you missed since you just started watching the show. you know you can watch them all online don't you?

like somewhere up there you stated that we find out alex was born on the island in season 3, we found out in season one in one of the first shows.
we always knew her parents came over on an expedition and the others stole her baby right after she was born, then everyone got sick and the mother had to shoot them all and hid there trying to survive and get her child back all this time.
 

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penkitten said:
his mother told him he was the product of an immaculate conception like jesus, however when he was an adult, she got him to meet his father so the father could con him out of his kidney and he paid her to do it. so they got to know each other, then he gave him the kidney, then he was abandoned again. after time, the father was going to remarry someone to use her for her money, locke tried to stop him, whereas the father tried to kill him by throwing him out of a window several stories, leaving him unable to use his legs and confined to a wheelchair.

see this is the beauty of what they have done. we as the viewer are totally engrossed in the personal stories of each of the characters that the thought that these personalities are not real doesn't even cross our minds.

we've been conned! :)

i was also thinking about jacob/ben as a child. his mother died, his father was abusive, he saw his dead mother, etc. - the perfect recipe for the creation of multiple personalities - creative mind + abuse. then throw in him alone on the island and you have him creating an entire society that is totally make believe.

im telling ya, you watch, im bang on the money with this. :)
 

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penkitten said:
joekerr , i think there are a few things you missed since you just started watching the show. you know you can watch them all online don't you?

like somewhere up there you stated that we find out alex was born on the island in season 3, we found out in season one in one of the first shows.
we always knew her parents came over on an expedition and the others stole her baby right after she was born, then everyone got sick and the mother had to shoot them all and hid there trying to survive and get her child back all this time.

i saw season one, but only watched season 2-3 recently. as for her mother, shes another personality. so is alex actually. towards the end of season 3 three there is a scene where alex is cutting up a white rabbit (once again, a reference to one of the books).
 
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