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The Game - Justin

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From the DJ tip of the Day (6-20-2006)

Justin said:
** The Game **
About four years ago I stumbled onto a phenomenal game that makes
meeting women a breeze.

It started when I was out at a nightclub with a girl I had just
started dating (we'll call her Amy).  Things were going poorly for
me because I'm rather quiet and shy around most people, and Amy was
the exact opposite.

I spent several hours watching her hang all over other guys and
feeling worthless in terms of my own ability to pick-up women.

Obviously things didn't last too long with that relationship, but
this girl taught me something that has proved very valuable for me
and any other guys who struggle with confidence.

Getting back to my story, we decided to go to one last bar with
another couple before calling it a night.  Our conversation shifted
to what we could do to spice up the evening since it was a Wednesday
night and most places were slow.

We had just come from 80's dance night at the last club and heard
the song Jenny (867-5309) by Tommy Tutone.  For anyone who doesn't
recognize or remember that song, it was a popular rock tune in which
the chorus is 867-5309 (a girl's phone number).

Anyway, we decided to have a contest at the next bar to see who
could give out that fake phone number to the most people.  We
quickly realized that idea sucked and changed it to a contest to see
who get the most phone numbers from people of the opposite sex.
We chose a popular sports bar that was not exactly packed, yet
always had plenty of attractive women.

Amy and I were the only ones
who ended up playing the game since the other couple thought it was
a waste of time.  I figured I really stood no chance against a girl
with such social skills, but I was pissed off and really wanted to
salvage some pride by showing this girl I had some skills.
When the game ended I had the phone number of every girl in the
entire bar.  Amy had just two numbers and both were from guys that
were total dorks.

She was stuck talking to some fat, drunk guy who could barely stand.
Meanwhile I was looking over my huge list of about 25 names trying
to decide who to go back and flirt with some more.  I know this
sounds like total BS and at this point I will try to explain what
approach I used and why it works so well.

There are many different strategies you can use and various rules
you can add to this game.  It can be done by yourself or with a
group of guys.  I have done it successfully at parties, bars, dance
clubs, weddings, and any other social situation where enough
attractive women are present to make it worth the effort.  Anytime I
get into a slump with women, end a relationship, get dumped, or just
need an ego boost, this game works like no other.

To play I would suggest picking a decent club that has at least
50-100 single women.  Go there a little before it starts to get busy
with about 3 other friends.  It's important to dress well and show
up in a positive frame of mind that you are going to have some fun.
All you need is a pen and one of those tiny notebooks.  Have a few
drinks before starting, but don't get hammered.  In fact, I often
make the reward for winning the game a free pitcher of beer or
something along those lines.

On the way to the bar explain to everyone that you want to try
something new and play this game.  Your friends may or may not be
interested in trying it.  However, the key is for you to show them
how much fun it is the first time, and they will catch on soon
enough.

When I get to the bar I try to start almost immediately.  If your
friends are like mine, at least 50% of them will chicken out.  They
will say the game is stupid, there are not enough hot chicks to
bother, it's too early, they want to get drunk first, etc.
Basically they will give you 50 reasons why it will never work or
try to postpone things.

I actually use this criticism for motivation.  They say I can't do
it, so I prove them wrong.  Instead they would rather waste another
night spending too much money, not meeting anyone and complaining
about women.  So I set off on my own or with the one friend who has
faith and start the game.

Competition motivates me more than anything and the prospect of free
beer doesn't hurt either.

My approach is simple and effective.  I am overly polite,
apologetic, down to earth, friendly, and thankful.  There is no need
to lie, use any pick-up lines, carry on a lengthy conversation or
overstay your welcome.

Here is a sample dialogue from a typical approach in which two women
are sitting alone at a table.

You: "Hi, My name is Jim.  I hate to bother you, but I need your
help with something that will just take a few seconds of your time."
Girl 1: "Yeah sure, have a seat.  My name is Mandy and this is my
friend Stacy."
You: "Nice to meet you Mandy and Stacy (smile, shake their hands,
look them in the eyes).  The reason I approached you is I'm trying
to win a contest with my friends to see who can get the most phone
numbers by 11:30.  The winner gets (free drinks for the rest of the
night, a ticket to the Lakers game, etc.) so I'm really just trying
to get phone numbers as fast as I can.  Do you mind writing down
your name and number on this piece of paper for me?  If you do mind,
just make up a name and number that seems believable."
Girl 1:  "OK, I guess I can do that."
You: "Hey, thank you so much for helping me out.  Have a good night"
That is obviously a very abbreviated version of the conversation and
is the most basic example of how to approach someone you really have
no interest in dating or talking to aside from getting their number
to win the game.

If you are truly interested in a girl there are many slight
modifications to the above situation.  I normally talk a little bit
more and explain the game and how it makes going out more fun.  It's
easy to slip in compliments with this game because you are talking
to so many people.

You can mention they have a better sense of humor about it than the
last table.  Or they are the best looking girl you have talked to
all night.  Basically all you need to do is imply that were it not
for time constraints you would be happy to spend the rest of the
night talking to them, and throw the rest of the numbers away.
This tends to make a great impression as long as you talked just
long enough to learn a few things about them, but didn't hang around
too long.  If you stick around for 20 minutes they will assume your
story about playing a game is completely bogus and not trust you.
You have to get in, explain just enough to get their number, and
keep moving.

I sometimes mention that they can put a star beside their name if
the name and number they wrote down is actually real.  This would
indicate to me in a subtle way that they would not mind seeing me
later or getting a call.

This game can evolve and change to meet the situation.  The key is
to approach each and every girl in the bar, not just the hot ones or
the ones you don't feel threatened by.  There will be large groups
of girls, couples, waitresses, etc.  Each involves a slightly
different conversation and set of circumstances.

You learn to be very fast on your feet and adjust to how people
react.  If a woman acts nervous or clearly does not want your
company, it's up to you to adjust your technique.  Just tell them
you have no intention of actually calling any of the numbers anyway.
All they have to do is take a few seconds to write down what you
need and they will never have to talk to you again.

By offering the option of making up a fake number and name they have
no real reason to shoot you down over fear of giving that info to a
stranger.  Just tell them to make it believable (women tend to get a
kick out of putting down stripper names like Candy or Jezebelle).
The idea is to win the game with as many real numbers as possible.
If the girl is obviously in a committed relationship tell her to put
down the name and number of one of her friends.  If the boyfriend of
a girl is sitting right next to her, approach him and explain your
situation.  No guy in his right mind would prevent you from winning
free beer by getting upset about his girlfriend giving you a fake
number.

For larger tables I tend to grab the girl on the end who looks the
most approachable.  Spend a little longer with this girl, and as
soon as you win her over it's a safe bet the rest of the table will
follow her lead.

Most women start out skeptical in terms of your true intentions and
whether or not you were actually trying to pick them up.  This
changes when you quickly move to the next table and do the exact
same thing.  They can literally sit and watch you work the room like
a professional salesman.

You will appear to be very confident in their eyes.  The fact that
you have an entire list of numbers and the balls to talk to every
girl in the bar sends a very clear message.  Any girl you later
approach again will feel like she won the game because you chose her
over the numerous other girls you could have gone after.
Now you are probably wondering what good does a list of fake names
and numbers do?

Actually you will be amazed at how many are not fake.  You will know
they are real because the women literally tell you that as they are
writing them down.

Remember, you are approaching every woman in the bar.  A
considerable number of them are in a rut just like you.  They may
not have had a guy ask for their number in months.
 

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Justin said:
You were a nice, well-dressed, confident, open-minded guy who likes
to have fun.  Your approach was smooth and non-threatening.  Most
guys approach women after 6 or 7 beers when its later in the evening
and they obviously just want to get laid.  Therefore, you already
stand out and make a good impression before other guys even have a
chance.  By having a huge list of numbers you are clearly someone
that other women find desirable too.

They didn't come to this bar to buy overpriced drinks and dance
alone anymore than you did.  They put on that revealing dress and
spent hours getting ready so that guys would approach them and they
might even meet someone special.

I normally get in excess of 70% in terms of real numbers or at least
women who want to continue our conversation and give me their real
number later.  It's a numbers game just like being a salesman.
There are many reasons why this game works.  Its fun, easy, improves
your skills with women, builds up your ego, and even if you lose the
contest to a friend, you still win in the grand scheme of things.
It may start out slow, but gains momentum in a hurry.  By the time
you have approached the third or fourth table of girls a funny thing
happens.

We all know women talk a lot.  They go to the restroom together and
start yapping about who they like and what guy just stared at them.
They tell other women in the bar about your little game and ponder
what your real motives are.  People overhear these conversations.
Before long the word spreads and some women know your entire routine
before you get to them.  You were a refreshing change to the normal,
boring routine of the bar scene.  Don't be surprised when women
actually start approaching you saying things like:

"Hi my name is Angie.  I was at the bar getting a drink when you
talked to my friends earlier and they said I should go over here and
give you my number."

"Hey, I was a little surprised earlier when you asked for my number
and didn't know how to react.  I made up a name and number, but my
real name is Beth and if you want I can give you my real number."

"I'm Jennifer.  I heard about you and some contest.  If you're still
looking for numbers I could help you out."

I have even had shy girls sneak away from their friends and make me
promise to call them.

On the surface it may seem like only the ugly women will get a kick
out of the game, while attractive girls will think it's stupid.

However, you will soon learn that most attractive girls are far too
intimidating for many guys to approach.  They appreciate your
courage just as much as the 200-pound chick that has never been
asked for her number and is totally flattered.

After you finish seeing everyone in the bar, it's time to head back
to your friends.  Look over your list and count up the total number.
Decide who won and quickly hand out the prizes.  If you played alone
spend a few minutes browsing your list and making it obvious to your
friends that they missed out on a lot of fun.

Enjoy the tremendous ego boost that comes from getting so many
numbers and meeting so many hot chicks in such a short period of
time.

An important facet of this game is to leave out your friends who put
you down and refused to play.  Now is the time when you go back and
talk to whoever you liked best.  Your friends will suddenly try to
jump on the bandwagon and expect you to hook them up with some of
the women you met.  Don't do this!

You did all the work and put up with all their abuse.  Let them sit
there and shake their heads while you head over to a table of cute
chicks and pick up where you left off.  I guarantee you that the
next time you go out together those guys will be begging you to play
the game.  Until then, feel free to talk all the smack on them you
want.  This is one game where there is no penalty for dancing in the
endzone.

When you go back to talking to the women you can be much more
relaxed and take your time.  You already have such confidence that
you will probably be smiling the rest of the night anyway.  They
will want to know who won and what your total was.

Resist the urge to brag about winning or how many women liked you.
Tell the girl you like that you didn't play the game to start dating
lots of women.  It was fun, but meeting her was the real highlight.
Make sure you go through your list and circle her name and number
along with that of any friends she is sitting with.  This will help
you remember names so you don't look like a drunk idiot.  However,
you have an excuse for forgetting names since you met dozens of
women in rapid succession.

Ask her if the number she gave you was actually her real number.  If
not, she will probably offer to give you the real one right away.
Tell her any interesting stories you have from your adventure and
what made her special.  Then stop talking about yourself or the
game.  Focus on learning all about her and keep your mouth shut.
At some point I usually symbolically throw away the other names on
the list.  This will show her you are genuinely interested in her
and not trying to juggle several women at once.

A second option for winding up the game is to just leave the bar or
quickly confirm you have the right number with the girls you liked
best.  This allows you to call several girls later without having to
pick an obvious favorite.

If you got numbers from 50 women, it's a safe bet that 40 of them
will at least be passively watching who you go back to visit with.
It's a good idea to not put all your eggs in one basket by spending
the rest of the night flirting with Angie, when you also liked
Diane, Karen, Debbie and Rhonda.

Women are very competitive creatures that actually give you more
action if they think they have to win you over from some other
girl(s).  I recommend spending no more than 5-10 minutes on a
follow-up visit, unless of course you are getting the kind of
signals that indicate sex in the very near future.  If a girl
questions why you have to leave so early just tell her you promised
several people you would come back by.

Troubleshooting Guide

* None of your friends is willing to play with you or you are out
alone and want to play -- Modify your story to say that you just got
out of a relationship and a friend told you this was a great way to
jumpstart your personal life.  If you are new in town that would
also be a good excuse.

* A girl you approach expects you to buy her a drink in exchange for
her number -- Tell her you are in a big hurry to get numbers because
it's a contest with time limits.  You don't have the time or money
to go around buying drinks for every woman in the bar.  Any girl who
tries to extort a drink is rude and probably used to having guys
fall all over themselves to impress them.

If you did give in they would undoubtedly buy the most expensive
drink possible and make you look like a fool.  If you give them
money for drinks they might even use it to buy some other guy a
drink right in front of you (I bartended for 3 years and have seen
it happen).

Bottom line they are not worth wasting your time talking to.  Would
you expect someone to buy you a drink because they borrowed your
lighter?  What you are asking for is no more of an inconvenience.
Move on and forget them.  They will have to respect you then and may
even approach you again later and say they were just kidding.

* The bar you are in is too loud to talk to people -- This is a
common problem with dance clubs and other places that women
frequent.  That's why selecting the proper venue is very important.
There is no rule preventing you from playing the game at multiple
bars throughout the night.  Most places have several areas that are
more quiet.  Near the restrooms is a great place because you know
everyone will go there at some point in the evening.

* A girl you really liked will be leaving before you finish the game
-- Besides complimenting girls you especially liked, I suggest
asking their plans for the evening.  Mention that as soon as you
finish the game you might like to join them again.

If they like you and are leaving soon they will probably volunteer
information about where they are headed next or tell you to give
them a call.  They may even be willing to go on a date with you or
mention an upcoming party you are invited to.

* Upon finishing the game you are not sure who to approach again --
This is a skill that comes with experience.  However, I suggest
taking a stroll through the bar as soon as you finish up.  Since you
already talked to lots of women the ones that like you will go out
of their way to make eye contact with you again.  Walk past all the
women again as you head to the restroom or get a beer.  Any that
smile and make eye contact are definitely interested.

* A girl you don't find attractive pursues you after the game ends
-- I can almost guarantee this will happen if you play more than
once.  It can get annoying when you want to go back and talk to a
cute girl only to be intercepted by someone you have no interest in.
This is a perfect chance for you to introduce your friends and
excuse yourself to the restroom, never to return.

Your friends who refused to play are forced to "jump on the grenade"
while you move on to better things.  Just seeing the look on the
faces of your friends when you pull this one off is priceless.  To
the victor go the spoils of war.  You have plenty of other women to
talk to as a reason for being gone.  They are stuck talking to her
to be polite.

* A girl tells you the game is stupid or implies that you are a
loser -- While this may seem to be a distinct possibility I have
never had it happen.
AWESOME and FUN Tip!

This should be part of the DJ BOOTCAMP requirement.

:up:
 

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This seems like a perfect idea for bootcamp but half of these so called DJ's would be to scared to try it!!!
 

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I admit that I would feel strange trying this... I can talk to anyone, but this shyt seems too needy.
 

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I am going to try this at least once.
 
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