The Future of Game - Flaking Thread For Don Juan Discussion

[The Mad Ghost]

Regarding this in the mature man forum.

I'm so happy this has been highlighted on. Now, idiots and bigots can stop saying NEXT. So, now that even the so-called gurus are experiencing this. What is the solution? The Flaking is getting out of hand, crisis mode. Its not even funny. When I saw the thread, I was shocked, because throughout this whole year I must of had like 20 Flakes from cold approaches and other means.

My question is, why are WOMEN making all the social-changes in record numbers. For the last 10 years, men haven't made any changes for the betterment of themselves. Now, I've seen this thread It's reassrued me to actually bring this up and not just another 'next her' reply you'll get as usual. Is it me or is there just very little sightings of 'couples' from 18-25 these days? And whats this new subculture of chicks being prostitutes and escorts whilst going university/college.

I keep telling you, it's bible prophecy. I went out last night and before we got in, there was a brawl with a group of girls. One of them had been glassed. I spoke to a few chicks in there, and it felt like I was talking to men, the guys I talked to in there, where like the chicks. Mellow-toned, easy to open, friendly etc. I had a better time talking to the guys in there, dude bought me two drinks, Took my number down and added my Xbox Gamertag. Socialising. What were the chicks doing? Drinking, drinking, drunk, fighting, shouting, hostile, acting non interested, shallow, tarty. Infact, the girls where the men of the night, whilst the men where the girls of the night. Weird.

I want to highlight Nismo-4's reply in there. It really p*sses me off when people bring in the fame card, would she do this to Brad, Clooney or any hunk type celeb etc. You know what, YES. I think they could very well get flaked on now. Kim Kardashian is nexting guys like tommorow. What you don't think, she would flake on a Brad Pitt and next him for some NFL star? What a dumbassed analogy. Furthermore, Pitt and those guys are all fame and money. So are you saying we have to be famous with money for an insurance to not deal with the many games women play?

Thoughts on the thread on MM, anyway.

 

[Elky]

Regarding this in the mature man forum.

I'm so happy this has been highlighted on. Now, idiots and bigots can stop saying NEXT. So, now that even the so-called gurus are experiencing this. What is the solution? The Flaking is getting out of hand, crisis mode. Its not even funny. When I saw the thread, I was shocked, because throughout this whole year I must of had like 20 Flakes from cold approaches and other means.

My question is, why are WOMEN making all the social-changes in record numbers. For the last 10 years, men haven't made any changes for the betterment of themselves. Now, I've seen this thread It's reassrued me to actually bring this up and not just another 'next her' reply you'll get as usual. Is it me or is there just very little sightings of 'couples' from 18-25 these days? And whats this new subculture of chicks being prostitutes and escorts whilst going university/college.

I keep telling you, it's bible prophecy. I went out last night and before we got in, there was a brawl with a group of girls. One of them had been glassed. I spoke to a few chicks in there, and it felt like I was talking to men, the guys I talked to in there, where like the chicks. Mellow-toned, easy to open, friendly etc. I had a better time talking to the guys in there, dude bought me two drinks, Took my number down and added my Xbox Gamertag. Socialising. What were the chicks doing? Drinking, drinking, drunk, fighting, shouting, hostile, acting non interested, shallow, tarty. Infact, the girls where the men of the night, whilst the men where the girls of the night. Weird.

I want to highlight Nismo-4's reply in there. It really p*sses me off when people bring in the fame card, would she do this to Brad, Clooney or any hunk type celeb etc. You know what, YES. I think they could very well get flaked on now. Kim Kardashian is nexting guys like tommorow. What you don't think, she would flake on a Brad Pitt and next him for some NFL star? What a dumbassed analogy. Furthermore, Pitt and those guys are all fame and money. So are you saying we have to be famous with money for an insurance to not deal with the many games women play?

Thoughts on the thread on MM, anyway.

Its a power struggle as always. Women want to have control. Most guys don't know how to deal with women who flake (especially on this forum), it is their "counter" to our games.

The men who are able to adapt to this change will be the guys in control. Just as it is found in nature, if there is a drastic change of weather, only the organisms that are able to adapt to it will survive.

Really, men have two options at this point. Find a girl with high interest (she'd be less likely to flake), or learn how to counter their flaking (as explained in the other forum).

Girls (more and more nowadays) constantly test a man's neediness by flaking. Will you react in a way that will startle her and give the control back to you?.. or will you be her puppet that she can either choose to control or discard.

 

[Solomon]

good post

Regarding this in the mature man forum.

I'm so happy this has been highlighted on. Now, idiots and bigots can stop saying NEXT. So, now that even the so-called gurus are experiencing this. What is the solution? The Flaking is getting out of hand, crisis mode. Its not even funny. When I saw the thread, I was shocked, because throughout this whole year I must of had like 20 Flakes from cold approaches and other means.
Shocked? If you actively gaming, flaking is part of it, whether it's a "cold-approach" or "online" or something else. Flaking is a BFD(big****ingdeal)
My question is, why are WOMEN making all the social-changes in record numbers. For the last 10 years, men haven't made any changes for the betterment of themselves. Now, I've seen this thread It's reassrued me to actually bring this up and not just another 'next her' reply you'll get as usual. Is it me or is there just very little sightings of 'couples' from 18-25 these days? And whats this new subculture of chicks being prostitutes and escorts whilst going university/college.
No clue where you live, I see tons of young couples out, espeically in the summer/spring time, and now that it's close to holiday season, Expect to see shyt ton more. Just go to your local mall, you'll see a poor guy following his gal along doing some holiday shopping
I keep telling you, it's bible prophecy. I went out last night and before we got in, there was a brawl with a group of girls. One of them had been glassed. I spoke to a few chicks in there, and it felt like I was talking to men, the guys I talked to in there, where like the chicks. Mellow-toned, easy to open, friendly etc. I had a better time talking to the guys in there, dude bought me two drinks, Took my number down and added my Xbox Gamertag. Socialising. What were the chicks doing? Drinking, drinking, drunk, fighting, shouting, hostile, acting non interested, shallow, tarty. Infact, the girls where the men of the night, whilst the men where the girls of the night. Weird.
Sounds like you live in the UK, ironically the UK's women were voted worst in the world, Roissy made a post about this on his blog not to long ago
I want to highlight Nismo-4's reply in there. It really p*sses me off when people bring in the fame card, would she do this to Brad, Clooney or any hunk type celeb etc. You know what, YES. I think they could very well get flaked on now. Kim Kardashian is nexting guys like tommorow. What you don't think, she would flake on a Brad Pitt and next him for some NFL star? What a dumbassed analogy. Furthermore, Pitt and those guys are all fame and money. So are you saying we have to be famous with money for an insurance to not deal with the many games women play?

Thoughts on the thread on MM, anyway.

Let me tell you a story answering your last question, my buddy went to this popular lounge, there was an NFL player there (a local celebrity, not super big in the rest of the league yet). The football player had girl after girl coming up to him, with the girls giving them their number, and he didn't ask them! HE basically stood out there like a toll booth with his phone out according to my buddy.

Now Guru1000 said something in the thread(the one in the MM forum) which I initially disagreed with, but then I thought about it. If you are a high value/status guy, you make a good salary, have some status or fame. First your gonna have access to women that the average guy doesn't have access too and also how you view and treat women is gonna be way different then the average guy.

It's like the TV show entourage, were Vince tells his manager to get Scarlett Johanson's (sp) number, next thing you know he is got it and making dinner plans with her. My point is, the average guy, won't be able to just tell someone "hey get me so and so's number" and bang her later that week or night.

Now I'm not saying you gotta be famous not to get flaked on, but if you carry yourself like a high value guy, you take care of business, and have self-worth and respect, you won't deal with that type of shyt. Guys who do "counter" techniques and all that to me is a waste of time. If it works for you great, but if she was into you like she should be, that shyt wouldn't even be needed

The best way to combat with flakes is not to deal with them at all, I don't view flaking anymore as a fault in my game (well only in certain situations) I view it as a character flaw in the woman and lack of interest. If she flakes it's her fuccing loss, I am the prize, in the words of my buddy I could be the guy "to introduce her to a new way of life" if she doesn't want that she is out of her damn mind, and I will find a woman who in the words of azaon finds me "highly valuable"

 

[KingofHearts]

My observation is that many of us guys are realizing we're not in the top 10%. Girls may flake, but they are still going out with somebody right? They're not flaking on you and just staying at home. And I don't think the ratio of guys getting sex is actually 10%/90% but its getting there. That's the thing, society trends are always on the move. What worked 10 years ago, may not apply today.

I say this because guys that seem like they know what they're doing are experiencing the same flaky behavior that loser betas have been seeing for years. And when I look at guys I know who are decent looking and appear to have decent game, they are still with girls below them in terms of looks.

A lot of guys are talking about how its not really worth the trouble anymore to game girls, I started saying this to myself earlier this year. But are the top 10% still saying that? Girls may be mega *****es, but they still have to supplicate and play nice to get the man they really want. The increasingly serious problem is that the man they want is way better than the man they deserve. Their perceived value pushes them to go after men who are willing to pump and dump them but not commit to them.

As for a solution, **** if I know. I think we may have to just to wait it out until the bubble bursts just like the housing market and the stock market. Either that, or just plow through multiple flakes and a myriad of **** tests to get one decent lay. Meanwhile, the chubby girls are trying to blast through my own ***** shield like the sentinels in the third Matrix movie.

I'll tell you what doesn't help us - its guys who put up with flaky behavior and still chase a girl. Its guys who worship good looking girls with no class. Its good looking guys who commit to lesser women and then put up with their **** on top of that. And above all, its the media on tv, movies, the internet and magazines that tell women they deserve better than what they're getting even though reality is they already have it all. I don't hate women or men for what's going on right now in America. Hell, if it wasn't for sites like Sosuave and Roissy, I would be just as blind as everyone else. No, what I really hate is that a small percentage of the marketing world has manipulated a society into a becoming money machine profiting the 1% of people. The other 99% are left to scramble to fill our needs and feed our inflated egos.

 

[Solomon]

A lot of guys are talking about how its not really worth the trouble anymore to game girls, I started saying this to myself earlier this year. But are the top 10% still saying that? Girls may be mega *****es, but they still have to supplicate and play nice to get the man they really want. The increasingly serious problem is that the man they want is way better than the man they deserve. Their perceived value pushes them to go after men who are willing to pump and dump them but not commit to them.

As for a solution, **** if I know. I think we may have to just to wait it out until the bubble bursts just like the housing market and the stock market. Either that, or just plow through multiple flakes and a myriad of **** tests to get one decent lay. Meanwhile, the chubby girls are trying to blast through my own ***** shield like the sentinels in the third Matrix movie..

King

Great post...

You see this all the time, espeically in online dating. Girls who are average(5's) trying to land a guy in the upper echelon. I remember a few years ago I ran into a girl in the field, this was before I knew about game. I asked her for her number and she looked at me and said honestly "I'm gonna wait to meet someone better" ouch, you would have taught that stung, but honestly at that time i appreciated her honesty and didn't think much of my own self-worth back then.

lol @ the matrix metaphor, If the "counter" games work for you, great, but now this whole theory of having to bang a girl to keep her. I don't know, in my experience it only works to a point. And even then, contrary to the board beliefs, sometimes rushing to sex can ruin a potential great relationship (buyers remorse, etc)

 

[Jeffst1980]

My observation is that many of us guys are realizing we're not in the top 10%. Girls may flake, but they are still going out with somebody right? They're not flaking on you and just staying at home. And I don't think the ratio of guys getting sex is actually 10%/90% but its getting there. That's the thing, society trends are always on the move. What worked 10 years ago, may not apply today.

I say this because guys that seem like they know what they're doing are experiencing the same flaky behavior that loser betas have been seeing for years. And when I look at guys I know who are decent looking and appear to have decent game, they are still with girls below them in terms of looks.

A lot of guys are talking about how its not really worth the trouble anymore to game girls, I started saying this to myself earlier this year. But are the top 10% still saying that? Girls may be mega *****es, but they still have to supplicate and play nice to get the man they really want. The increasingly serious problem is that the man they want is way better than the man they deserve. Their perceived value pushes them to go after men who are willing to pump and dump them but not commit to them.

As for a solution, **** if I know. I think we may have to just to wait it out until the bubble bursts just like the housing market and the stock market. Either that, or just plow through multiple flakes and a myriad of **** tests to get one decent lay. Meanwhile, the chubby girls are trying to blast through my own ***** shield like the sentinels in the third Matrix movie.

I'll tell you what doesn't help us - its guys who put up with flaky behavior and still chase a girl. Its guys who worship good looking girls with no class. Its good looking guys who commit to lesser women and then put up with their **** on top of that. And above all, its the media on tv, movies, the internet and magazines that tell women they deserve better than what they're getting even though reality is they already have it all. I don't hate women or men for what's going on right now in America. Hell, if it wasn't for sites like Sosuave and Roissy, I would be just as blind as everyone else. No, what I really hate is that a small percentage of the marketing world has manipulated a society into a becoming money machine profiting the 1% of people. The other 99% are left to scramble to fill our needs and feed our inflated egos.

Good points. It's certainly a terrible time to do cold approaches, which is unfortunate, because I enjoy doing them. There's just not enough time in a cold approach to communicate high social status, however, and status--not rapport--is what reduces flaking.

Perhaps the "first night lay" theory will never really come to be; perhaps all game will be social circle game in the future. Most girls have high interest in SOMEONE in their social circle as it is; why would they have to look elsewhere?

 

[The Mad Ghost]

KingOfHearts has probably, made one of the best observations since I've been on this site. Such an understanding. But, still, even with this given advice and observation. Why is it that its only and ONLY women, making the gradual changes. So, is media, television and fame grounded more for women these days, where the average plane jane now tries to follow or idolize it?

I like to look into the future, as mundane as it may be. There is no harm in scenario planning and this little gem was probably the most accurate future scenerios taking place, infact it's happening now. It makes sense, as the dollar, the pound and tax rises, so will your status or job have to too.

Game Plus Fame Will Be More Important Than Anything

It doesn’t have to be national fame, but you must be known for something with a reputation that precedes you. You must have a YouTube channel with millions of views. You must be a proprietor of a hipster butcher shop. You must be a popular writer, artist, or musician. You must be nightclub promoter or DJ. You must be a competitive skateboarder. Your must be the notorious editor of a cupcake newsletter. In a culture where a million people are “famous,” you’ll have to work your ass off for scraps if you’re not. Nurture your own style and niche and then leverage that to get *****. Game will always have its use, but game plus fame will be the qualities that tomorrow’s Casanova possess. Otherwise you’ll be approaching all day and night to **** a 6 who stops calling you after a couple bangs. You must have the complete package to get the hottest girls, with game being only the first ability of a multi-level game warrior. Guys without game will simply not get laid, not even with ugly girls.

The main factors driving the change is feminism and the uglification of the species. If you want to **** average girls, game alone will get you there, but it will be increasingly difficult to **** and keep attractive women since their numbers will be too low. Game and something else will be needed. The climate of the future will make it tough for a handsome man with a nice, middle-class job to land a pretty girl. Of course it will happen, as those girls will settle down eventually in their 30s, but the majority of men will not be successful at it. This future is inevitable unless the obesity epidemic peaks within the next five years and feminism is eradicated.

It will take quite some time for every country in the world to be infected with the Western disease. Therefore the beta men who didn’t resort to homosexuality or sex dolls will dabble in mail order brides to fulfill their evolutionary destiny. Want to be a millionaire? Get in one of these industries: gay marriage planning, sex doll importing/exporting, international matchmaking, or manufacturing of special ambulances with cranes to hoist fat people. God bless America.

 

[nismo-4]

Mad Ghost, as I've observed out here in Georgia and Louisiana, most men are lazy and don't seek to upgrade themselves. A man should always be trying to better himself. Women do it all the time, by upping their careers and using more makeup. I went from delivering pizzas to building houses, to the tax lien business. It helped me somewhat with women, but I know that flaking i all over. The better of a man you are, the less likely you are to get flaked on. Be the better deal.

That quote you had under your statement was very valid. Fame, looks, and money can help a lot, but competing with a comparable man equals an interesting battle. Most of the time, the woman chooses, but the man can do this if he's got something good to offer.

 

[Solomon]

great post mr nismo

Most of the time, the woman chooses, but the man can do this if he's got something good to offer.

^^This is critical, lot of guys don't understand that this day in age, the man who is working for the betterment of self, is the man who is king. If you got your shyt together, you will have options to choose!!!


There women who looking for real men, men of character, men of principles, men who are motivated and have their own. If you are one of these guys women will line up for you and you will have a plethora of choices

I Couldn't agree with nismo anymore, to often in the community guys just wanna rely on game, if you improve your self spiritual, physically, mentally, and financially. Your choices go up, because you will move up among your peers etc

 

[The Experience]

Another idea could be that we first looked at women as prey in an instinctual kind of way and we have to stalk, corner and then attack. However, women have evolved to counter the attack and slowly became empowered and somewhat immune by dealing with this kind of interaction over time. Now men are slowly realizing this and are having to evolve just like women to counter their counter.

 

[AAAgent]

KingOfHearts has probably, made one of the best observations since I've been on this site. Such an understanding. But, still, even with this given advice and observation. Why is it that its only and ONLY women, making the gradual changes. So, is media, television and fame grounded more for women these days, where the average plane jane now tries to follow or idolize it?

I like to look into the future, as mundane as it may be. There is no harm in scenario planning and this little gem was probably the most accurate future scenerios taking place, infact it's happening now. It makes sense, as the dollar, the pound and tax rises, so will your status or job have to too.

that's probably because they've been repressed and had their actions dictated for hundreds of thousands of years. Now that they have some freedom, they've got alot of catching up to do. They're constantly evolving while the majority of the male population that isn't up to par with the speed that they're changing at is at a loss.

Only the few percentage of men are able to adapt to the new age.

 

[goodfoot]

http://www.enotalone.com/forum/showthread.php?353703-I-HATE-being-the-nice-guy/page3

This is a reply in the enotalone forum that I thought summed it up nicely.

What's with all the ad hominem?

Anyways. I will clarify What'sthepoint's point thusly:


It IS the advent of the internet, microwave, and general globalization of the fast-paced mentality that has warped perceptions of entitlement, happiness, and whatnot. And, like an overstretched rubber band, they won't ever return to their a priori states. The best that can be done, now, is to mitigate the warping (secondary effect) until a tertiary effect prevails.

What, specifically, are manifestations of the warping?


Entitlement

The ease of availability and in-your-face marketing bent to all things modern have lent to people a [n even greater] sense of entitlement; that they deserve, arbitrarily [it's actually ego-driven] the best available - like flipping through a shoe/car/home improvement catalog. Except if one hasn't the resources for said item, it is unavailble for purchase. So most people have learned to reconcile this.

Enter the dating world: perusing people (via Facebook, online dating, etc.) like this week's shoe catalog has conditioned society into thinking that it deserves the best possible, without the personality resources (i.e. intangibles) to make the purchase. Found a pretty good one? Very good one? Well toss them, because there's an even better one that you deserve. Wait, what.

Couple this with:


Happiness

People are no longer happy with what they have. The reward center of the brain is awry.

When their choices are restricted (in the sense of elasticity), people are happier with their selections. The ability to exercise elasticity and substitute away from a product leads to decreased happiness - subjects that selected items and had to keep them were more satisfied with their decisions than those whom could later exchange them for new ones. Having more options counter-intuitively makes it harder to be happy (due to rising elasticity and sense of disposability), with humans being wont to exercise said options for the [often irrational] hopes of something better.

Actually, it's not as counter-intuitive as it seems: look at the ridiculously affluent cohort, or the outstandingly physically attractive cohort - they have so much buying power (first tangible, second intangible), providing them with so many options, the exercising of which may diametrically oppose finding happiness.



The above being said:

While What'sthepoint's mate selection delineation seems a little off, it's due to the missing context: women control the social/sexual dynamic. Men proposition women, women pick and choose. This is a statement of fact. Were it the other way, then men would be "culpable," if you want to play the blame game. The social dynamic was created to protect women physically, by creating the ideas and structures of consent/rape, etc., forcing the man into the qualifying position to the woman. For a certain small cohort of men, the dynamic is switched. Of course, women could also take the initiative and assume the propositioning role....

What this translates to is this: men must, and are generally expected to, initiate contact with women. One trick a man may learn is to recognize the buying signals women send out, so as not to be completely in the dark to an approach's outcome [here's an example of a mitigating secondary effect].

This being said, women are inundated with prospecting men, hence their tendency to use the line-up algorithm. They will then proceed to select those from which they derive the most utility - the most attractive (package-wise) to them, discounting the rest [enter the Friendzone idea here]. What is considered package-attractive (physical, intellectual, emotional, spiritual) is generally universal - thus, the top picks for many women will be the top picks for many other women. Enter the "90% of women go for 10% of men" idea. This happens due to the dynamic: men proposition women, hoping to be near the tops of their lists; women examine their lists selecting the top choices, hoping his interest is reciprocal [and exclusive].

What the advent and streamlining of the internet has accomplished is the warping of personal taste and realism - people are attracted to attractive things, I get it. But while one could meet someone and learn to appreciate them, the "catalog" mentality has created an environment in which people become disposable due to a warping of entitlement. Pragmatically, one can expect to attract another whom provides that which oneself has. If one is lacking in all consitutents of attraction, it is rather absurd to expect a "superior" package to be interested.

Something that further compounds this phenomenon is trickle-down caused by limited supply. Since a vast majority of women seek a vast minority of men (as well monogomously, in the long term), there is a great lack of the latter cohort. That certain small cohort of men actually assume the female's position in picking and choosing, with the woman taking the man's role in propositioning - effectively, the social roles reverse. Once they are removed from the pool, there remain a large number of equivalently package-attractive women. Bearing in mind the above point about elasticity's influence on happiness and entitlement, though, many of the men in this small cohort may choose not to commit. Those that do choose a mate whom they deem most attractive to them, as he is in the position to be discriminating - she is at the top of his list.
[So a highly package-attractive female and male are removed from their respective pools. Iterate a bit, and there remain more women than men.]

For the remaining attractive women, there is one less available man from the latter cohort. She will check the next on her list, and continue this iterated elimination...to a point. The elimination stops when the top of the list has an "outsider" of the very small male cohort...as in, most guys. Is it logical? No. Though attraction is limbic, not rational. From here, the "Settling" mechanism/"dilemma" is explored, one which I will not at this point entertain.





What'sthepoint:

The good news is that one can ease their way into that "10% of men" cohort. The immutable "looks" barrier is but one constituent of the attraction package - get a C on one test, but As on the rest, and you'll fare just fine.


worriedgirl:

Something isn't incorrect simply because you don't apply to it. Note the frame of the wording. Just as exceptions don't make rules, local subjectivities don't change native objectivities. If you're color blind, the red sign isn't a hazy brown - it's red. If you're blind and don't see the red sign, there's still a red sign. If you're on Mars, there's still a red sign.
There's your logic!
[Also bear in mind the cohort that would take the time to peruse and contribute to online forums. Not representative of the general population.]


deucesarewild:

Not constructive.

 

[The Mad Ghost]

I think I understand now. This is why people keep banging on about having a passion for something or a hobby. In about 5 years, maybe 10. Theres no doubt you will have to have one of these in order to be good with women. I remember when my brother was deadbroke or didnt have a job, but he still had girls calling him and had them coming over to the house. That will be non-existant soon. Maybe this is a good thing, as you'll progress to be a better you, women will continue to find counters, trying to make several counters on there already counter, is what I'm achieving. I think thats about it for me. There is no more to discuss. Become a better YOU, is what it sounds like.

High status. Social. Big Social Circle. Alpha Male. Fit. Muscular. Hobbies. Passion for something. Intelligent. Competitive at whatever that is. Pre-selected. etc.

Thats it.

 

[typical]

I think I understand now. This is why people keep banging on about having a passion for something or a hobby. In about 5 years, maybe 10. Theres no doubt you will have to have one of these in order to be good with women. I remember when my brother was deadbroke or didnt have a job, but he still had girls calling him and had them coming over to the house. That will be non-existant soon. Maybe this is a good thing, as you'll progress to be a better you, women will continue to find counters, trying to make several counters on there already counter, is what I'm achieving. I think thats about it for me. There is no more to discuss. Become a better YOU, is what it sounds like.

High status. Social. Big Social Circle. Alpha Male. Fit. Muscular. Hobbies. Passion for something. Intelligent. Competitive at whatever that is. Pre-selected. etc.

Thats it.

Too bad that around 90% of most guys will never ever strive to get to this point. Its 2010 and I've seen a few friends get bullied into marrying a girl because her parents want her to settle down or she got pregnant or her bio clock kicked in. Bottom line is chumps will always be chumps unless they take the time out to better themselves.

..... I'm rambling now