The celebrity/model Comparison and why it's wrong

[Deadly_Ripped]

Everyone on here has done it, myself included...

"Well, if you're a celebrity/fitness model then ...."

or

"Well, if you're not a celebrity/fitness model, then you're"

We all seem to forget from time to time that social and physical hierarchies exist in a massive gradient.

Those at the top are clearly at the top, and those at the bottom are clearly not at the top. We focus so intently on how easy it must be for the people at the top, and how impossibly difficult it must be for the people at the bottom, forgetting that our own situation will never be directly like the extremes.

Our struggles are unique from the outliers in that our mobility is made possible by our consistency and degrees of effort in each individual part of our life (physical, emotional, intellectual, professional, etc..). The overall improvement in any individual's happiness will be exponentially improved by balanced and small improvements in specific areas of our lives. We stop ourselves from taking the baby steps necessary for happiness by making those impossible comparisons, and by only focusing on women that society deems to be the most desireable.

We tend to focus on the unattainable as the only bar to set for ourselves.

"Oh, well I can't afford $100 shirts/jeans, and therefore I can't look super-fly like a celebrity."
"Oh, well I can't afford a personal trainer or workout equipment, so I can't look so good that women will drop their panties at the sight of me."
"Oh, I am not a natural, and so I'll never be able to pull nearly 100% of women's numbers by hypnotizing them with my charisma and wit."

We forget that NONE OF THOSE THINGS ARE NECESSARY to be successful with women and to live a fulfilling and balanced life. Those are extremes. Having a 7 personality, a 7 body, and a 7 sense of style will open more doors to women and the world in general than you ever thought possible. The key to long-term personal growth isn't envying the top 1% of people, comparing yourself to their lifestyles and their appearance of happiness and fulfillment. Identifying your WEAKNESSES and slowly building them up, little by little, in baby steps, is what ultimately results in a well-rounded individual.

Being well-rounded and comfortable with your direction, if not your actual position, in any of the dimensions of your life will bring hope and fulfillment in a way that I lack words to describe.

 

[ArcBound]

Quite true, we always aim for perfection that sometimes we get too caught up in it. What we don't understand is that no matter at what point we are in any aspect of ourselves, there is always room for improvement. That means at the same time always striving to improve, but also keeping in mind that we may never reach that perfect 10 and we won't always have to.

 

[Nutz]

The risk with comparing them to celebs is because they might not find that celeb attractive. Or they might think you're patronizing them if they have low self-esteem.

 

[PapiChulo]

I don't know but being a well-rounded 7 will get you a woman who's a 7 at best. That's my case. I need a big salary to get and actually keep an 8. Just being realistic. Why not include the career and money in there as well? I find most of the attractive girls are with guys who are stable financially, who aren't all that special in terms style, humor or what not. They are 7s, but with money. I am trying to compensate with body currently, getting even bigger.

 

[BigJimbo]

Looks are for gay men. Trust me, if you had money or the lifestyle it can give you it would be different. Money is the greatest aphrodisiac to the typical female known to man. Regardless of her age. Studies show that what you feel while looking at cheap East European porn (yes you do!) is what most females feel when shopping and buying.

 

[Deadly_Ripped]

I should have included "being rich" in the title and in the earlier part of it. Both of the posters (BigJimbo and PapiChulo) talked about how much it matters to be rich or not. I agree that it does, in the same way that it matters whether or not you look like a celebrity or are fit like a stud. This is exactly the kind of thinking that I'm talking about!


Sure, having tons of money makes it easier to pull women. It is not, however, necessary. In other words: I don't care that being rich makes it super easy to get a woman, because I'm not rich and I choose not to be by my career path. By focusing on that, you make it seem like not being rich hurts your chances. In reality, being rich is only a bonus, in general. Most women don't need a rich man (and if they did, then there'd be millions of single men and harems of women belonging to a few thousand men out there).

So when you talk about money making it EASIER, I agree, in the same way that I agree that it is EASIER when you look like a model or are built like Adonis. The point of the post was that there are many dimensions of our lives, and focusing on the nearly unattainable ultra-superior distinguished levels of a particular attribute (riches, fame, perfect social skills, model physique, model face) has a disenfranchising effect on our overall ability to improve and stay positive.

I agree that a well rounded 7 shouldn't expect to pull 9's, or even 8's without some luck or some DISTINGUISHING FEATURE. That would be unrealistic. Why does everything think that they deserve a girl with a 9 personality and a 9 body?

 

[Fuglydude]

I should have included "being rich" in the title and in the earlier part of it. Both of the posters (BigJimbo and PapiChulo) talked about how much it matters to be rich or not. I agree that it does, in the same way that it matters whether or not you look like a celebrity or are fit like a stud. This is exactly the kind of thinking that I'm talking about!


Sure, having tons of money makes it easier to pull women. It is not, however, necessary. In other words: I don't care that being rich makes it super easy to get a woman, because I'm not rich and I choose not to be by my career path. By focusing on that, you make it seem like not being rich hurts your chances. In reality, being rich is only a bonus, in general. Most women don't need a rich man (and if they did, then there'd be millions of single men and harems of women belonging to a few thousand men out there).

So when you talk about money making it EASIER, I agree, in the same way that I agree that it is EASIER when you look like a model or are built like Adonis. The point of the post was that there are many dimensions of our lives, and focusing on the nearly unattainable ultra-superior distinguished levels of a particular attribute (riches, fame, perfect social skills, model physique, model face) has a disenfranchising effect on our overall ability to improve and stay positive.

I agree that a well rounded 7 shouldn't expect to pull 9's, or even 8's without some luck or some DISTINGUISHING FEATURE. That would be unrealistic. Why does everything think that they deserve a girl with a 9 personality and a 9 body?

Good points raised here. Like you I'll never truly be "rich"... I make a low 6 figure income and will continue to do so, but will never have a net worth of like 50 mil or something that some people do.

I was however, during the peak of my stripping career, in the top 5% of the male population as far as physique went. The world is a VERY different place when you're in this kind of shape and not afraid to show it off. I'd get approached by women routinely, and it felt great to have that kind of attention... haha guess I was kind of an attention ***** back then!

Personally, I think the mark of a true DJ is to be able to score hot ass w/ minimal financial means. Any loaded fat ugly prick can score golddiggers, but you gotta be special to pull hot biitches when you drive a rusted up old beater and live in shared accomodations! I'd always laugh when some hot girl in some dude's audi/porsche would be staring at me as he drove past!! Ya, these girls might be phucking rich dudes, but they're thinking and fantasizing about guys like me during sex.

I'd rate my fiance as an 8- when you consider overall factors like intelligence/personality, intangibles etc. When I'm in top shape I'm about an 8 as well:

http://s102.photobucket.com/albums/m91/Treydesmon/

I strongly believe that if you want 8s-9s you gotta be at that level. If you expect something in the type of girls you're going after you have to have the same congruent standard applied to yourself. I can't stand how the majority of this site is mired in PUA techniques and lingo and talks about "neg hits", "cold approaching", and discussing the mathematical formula for the amount of time to wait before calling her. When you're in great shape, you simply don't need all that... As long as you have some remote social/sexual awareness and know how to escalate, you'll have girls eating out of your hand.

 

[Deadly_Ripped]

Completely agree Fuglydude. Being rich is similar to being in nearly perfect shape - they're distinguishing features that make women want to jump your bones.

No one should expect to land a higher quality person than their own quality. Sure, there's always some imbalance, and maybe this website (PUA techniques, etc as FUglydude said) helps people get higher quality women interested in/attracted to them. Ultimately the man's overall quality will show and then she will stay or go, depending on how far from her level of quality he is.

Factors in overall quality include money, status, career, looks, ethics, energy level, fitness, eye color, hair color, manners, having or not having hair, facial hair, chest hair, hygiene, body odor, style, fashion, education level, hobbies, sports, fame, upwards mobility, location, timing, personality, chivalrous attidude or lack thereof etc...

I mean MOST of these attributes CAN be a trump card, and if you can get yourself a trump card in whatever form that's great. Ultimately, focusing on your deficiencies, rather than focusing on the perfection of a single attribute, will drastically improve your odds of pulling the kind of woman you want.

i.e. you'd better be FILTHY FCUKING RICH if you smell so awful and are so damn rude that a woman won't normally get within 2 feet of you. But once you don't smell bad, you don't need that trump card to overcome that shortcoming anymore! By focusing on the rich part, and not on the not smelly part, many guys shoot for the unattainable and neglect the perfectly attainable and ultimately (potentially) more long-term satisfying improvement. Plus, most people can't get rich, so the odds of improving your deficiencies is FAR higher than the odds of making yourself into a highly distinguished person in any single aspect of your life.

 

[sstype]

Personally, I think the mark of a true DJ is to be able to score hot ass w/ minimal financial means. Any loaded fat ugly prick can score golddiggers, but you gotta be special to pull hot biitches when you drive a rusted up old beater and live in shared accomodations! I'd always laugh when some hot girl in some dude's audi/porsche would be staring at me as he drove past!! Ya, these girls might be phucking rich dudes, but they're thinking and fantasizing about guys like me during sex.

Either way you pay. The amount of time and money you spend maintaining an elite physique is time and money that could have been spent attaining wealth, for example. Or vice versa. It all depends on what angle you want to shoot for and whether you're willing to trade-off one for the other. Not to say that you can't make a good living and be in great shape at the same time, but to reach multi-millionaire status if you're starting out with nothing requires a 100% time commitment, just like getting in elite shape does as well.

At the end of the day, both guys (the rich guy and the buff guy) spend their precious time and financial resources towards something productive, and as a result net more and better looking women , than the average sosuaver.

If spending all of this time cold approaching, chasing, studying, and analyzing women was supposed to make us all "Don Juans" why are the majority of guys on this forum still virigins, or woefully inexperienced?

Cold approaching does not get you laid, tricks and tactics don't get you laid. Yeah one or two times if you're lucky. If it worked as well as it was advertised for the majority of guys then this forum would have shut down a long time ago. Either she wants to f*ck or she doesn't. Any chick that's making you jump through hoops to get her p*ssy, is either not interested in you sexually or has an agenda (she wants your money, attention, and/or a relationship).

If women aren't checking you out, or making subtle hints at getting with you, or make it hard for you to take them out, and this is happening consistently, then nothing on this forum will change that. Your only hope if you refuse to raise your inherent value to women is to play the numbers game and hope to get lucky every now and then.

Stop playing with ****ty cards hoping to get lucky. A smart man knows to fold and play cards that give him the most consistent odds of scoring big.

 

[Fuglydude]

Either way you pay. The amount of time and money you spend maintaining an elite physique is time and money that could have been spent attaining wealth, for example. Or vice versa. It all depends on what angle you want to shoot for and whether you're willing to trade-off one for the other. Not to say that you can't make a good living and be in great shape at the same time, but to reach multi-millionaire status if you're starting out with nothing requires a 100% time commitment, just like getting in elite shape does as well.

At the end of the day, both guys (the rich guy and the buff guy) spend their precious time and financial resources towards something productive, and as a result net more and better looking women , than the average sosuaver.

If spending all of this time cold approaching, chasing, studying, and analyzing women was supposed to make us all "Don Juans" why are the majority of guys on this forum still virigins, or woefully inexperienced?

Cold approaching does not get you laid, tricks and tactics don't get you laid. Yeah one or two times if you're lucky. If it worked as well as it was advertised for the majority of guys then this forum would have shut down a long time ago. Either she wants to f*ck or she doesn't. Any chick that's making you jump through hoops to get her p*ssy, is either not interested in you sexually or has an agenda (she wants your money, attention, and/or a relationship).

If women aren't checking you out, or making subtle hints at getting with you, or make it hard for you to take them out, and this is happening consistently, then nothing on this forum will change that. Your only hope if you refuse to raise your inherent value to women is to play the numbers game and hope to get lucky every now and then.

Stop playing with ****ty cards hoping to get lucky. A smart man knows to fold and play cards that give him the most consistent odds of scoring big.

Yeah, I agree... competitive bodybuilding is NOT cheap. During contest prep I'm gonna have to train 10-15 hours a week on top of working 50-60 hours a week all for just a few minutes on stage flexing in a man-thong... I don't really love the "sport" as much as I probably should but definitely like the discipline that it takes to achieve that look/goal. In the end I guess its all about whatever makes you happy.

Most guys can look surprisingly good w/ only 5-10 hours/week in the gym assuming their diets are good. IF you're smart and know your body you actually don't have to spend a lot on food/supps to get great results. I think that trying to become a multi-millionaire is MUCH MUCH tougher, and requires way more discipline than trying to get jacked. This is why I'm always telling everyone on here to get jacked so they can get laid. In my opinion its simply the EASIEST of consistently pulling high quality hot girls simply based on being a high quality guy.

Definitely agree with everything else you said though... great post.

 

[PapiChulo]

Yeah guys, that is all very true. I took up bodybuilding first, and that is what brought me here in the first place. That's how it should be to begin with.

 

[Poonani Maker]

My job makes me a beekcafe. That I make good money is just a powerful combination. I still feel that I need to do more cardio for health and sense of fitness reasons. I wish I had millions, but am happy to at least have a job that keeps me fitter than most WHILE getting paid 3 times the average. I'll never be a millionaire though, if I keep living it up like I've been doing for the past 2 years. But what good's money without memories??

 

[Walking Anomaly]

I like this thread.
Do have something to add though...

Cold approaching does not get you laid, tricks and tactics don't get you laid. Yeah one or two times if you're lucky. If it worked as well as it was advertised for the majority of guys then this forum would have shut down a long time ago. Either she wants to f*ck or she doesn't. Any chick that's making you jump through hoops to get her p*ssy, is either not interested in you sexually or has an agenda (she wants your money, attention, and/or a relationship).

You say that any woman who makes you jump through hoops for some box is not genuinely interested... But that's what we do. When we find a chick that meets our standards (which we all should have) we make them jump through hoops to prove their worth / genuine interest. If we do it, it'd be wrong to think there would never be a situation where roles may be reversed every once in a while, if dealing with a chick who has game. Maybe she knows what she wants, like we should, and will see if you are up to par with her standards. Like you said, maybe she wants a relationship. They don't always make you jump through hoops just to string you along.

For me, the action is the juice. Not the literal action I get, but the chase.

Never believe in any tactic or generalization too much, because there is always a situation where it won't hold true.

 

[sstype]

For me, the action is the juice. Not the literal action I get, but the chase.

If you feel its worth the effort....more power to you.

I prefer to chase success instead and let women be a by-product of my life.

Different strokes, I guess.

 

[Walking Anomaly]

If you feel its worth the effort....more power to you.

I prefer to chase success instead and let women be a by-product of my life.

Different strokes, I guess.

Oh don't get me wrong, I love the action haha, and women. In my eyes, the chase is just as fun, if not more, than the sex.

They aren't so much a by-product to me as they are a bonus. There to add to my life, not define it.

To each his own.

 

[nismo-4]

SStype, I have to break down what you said! I'm glad you're in the Atlanta area, and it's wild considering that there's a lot of women there with babies. And they truly think they're entitled to a rich or famous guy.

Either way you pay. The amount of time and money you spend maintaining an elite physique is time and money that could have been spent attaining wealth, for example. Or vice versa. It all depends on what angle you want to shoot for and whether you're willing to trade-off one for the other. Not to say that you can't make a good living and be in great shape at the same time, but to reach multi-millionaire status if you're starting out with nothing requires a 100% time commitment, just like getting in elite shape does as well.

A millionaire can buy that buff looking body with a little plastic surgery. FWIW, money pays your bills and there are women who call ugly guys handsome, but only because they're rich. A rich guy is guaranteed a girlfriend. A buff guy is guaranteed a girlfriend. Women say they want security, which means a combination of the 5 M's: Money, Mercedes (Maserati and Maybach will also work, but not Mazda, Mitsubishi, or Mustang), muscles, Master's, and mansions. Material things can be used in here, of course.

At the end of the day, both guys (the rich guy and the buff guy) spend their precious time and financial resources towards something productive, and as a result net more and better looking women , than the average sosuaver.

A rich guy can be more creative because he has more money to spend, and has a lot more options than an average joe. A buff guy makes a woman's panties wet often so he has no problem getting women. Women live in the now. A working man trying to come up is respectable, but they will always go to the working man who made it, and who has the actual materials to prove it. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

If spending all of this time cold approaching, chasing, studying, and analyzing women was supposed to make us all "Don Juans" why are the majority of guys on this forum still virigins, or woefully inexperienced?

Look at this, there are so many PUA books out there on the internet and sites like this and all of this sh*t can be googled and downloaded via uTorrent. Just about every average guy has access to this sh*t and now women are catching on to it, therefore women are harder to get now than back in the 90's. If a woman wants you, she'll make it known. If not, you'll be jumping through hoops and can still be easily replaced.The fact remains that men chase & pursue, while women choose.

Cold approaching does not get you laid, tricks and tactics don't get you laid. Yeah one or two times if you're lucky. If it worked as well as it was advertised for the majority of guys then this forum would have shut down a long time ago. Either she wants to f*ck or she doesn't. Any chick that's making you jump through hoops to get her p*ssy, is either not interested in you sexually or has an agenda (she wants your money, attention, and/or a relationship).

Very well said and an aid to the above paragraph that I wrote! Guys using this PUA sh*t are often times relying on luck, which by the way you have a better chance of winning Roulette betting on a single number (35 to 1 if you were wondering). Most average guys do whatever they can to hold on to the first piece of ass they luck up on, because they have little to no options and are very wary of the fact that if they lose her (usually a better man comes in, insert qualities), the average guy may take weeks or months to get another girl. Also, having a girlfriend doesn't guarantee sex. If you get it and you're an average guy, she'll be fantasizing about that handsome man she saw at work or in the gym.

If women aren't checking you out, or making subtle hints at getting with you, or make it hard for you to take them out, and this is happening consistently, then nothing on this forum will change that. Your only hope if you refuse to raise your inherent value to women is to play the numbers game and hope to get lucky every now and then.

Aside from relying on luck, you can work on becoming wealthy or getting in shape. Or get plastic surgery. Costly, but I remember a guy back in New Orleans who was piss ugly and spent about $15,000 on operations. This dude got bicep implants, tummy tuck, face lift, and some other sh*t. But when he healed, he got more female attention than "he ever got in his life!" Having a woman is like owning a car, payments and all and there will be breakdowns somewhere.

Stop playing with ****ty cards hoping to get lucky. A smart man knows to fold and play cards that give him the most consistent odds of scoring big.

Which would be the 5 M's (see above). If you don't have any of these, you're average and have an uphill battle. You should work on getting to the top, then go for a girl. If you have those high qualities (items included), you'll have a better pool of women to choose from, and they'll be less likely to reject you.

Read betw- Haven't done this sh*t in a while!:rockon: :rock:

 

[Chronocidal]

Having a 7 personality, a 7 body, and a 7 sense of style will open more doors to women and the world in general than you ever thought possible.

A 7 personality, a 7 body, and a 7 sense of style? Only 2.7% of men will ever reach or surpass the levels you describe. What happens to the other 97.3% of men, some of whom very well might be on this site?

 

[sstype]

SStype, I have to break down what you said! I'm glad you're in the Atlanta area, and it's wild considering that there's a lot of women there with babies. And they truly think they're entitled to a rich or famous guy.



Read betw- Haven't done this sh*t in a while!:rockon: :rock:

Thanks for the feedback! :rockon:

 

[Deadly_Ripped]

A 7 personality, a 7 body, and a 7 sense of style? Only 2.7% of men will ever reach or surpass the levels you describe. What happens to the other 97.3% of men, some of whom very well might be on this site?

Yeah. That's my point. Most people won't be rich, and most people won't be in ultra-athletic shape - that is, the kind that gets you instant relationship-quality women who chase only one thing.

For this reason, it's ridiculous to bring up the benefits of being in those elite classes of men in reference to how they affect ones' chances with women. Instead, the majority of us on here without some defining uniqueness that instantly makes the panties drop should be focusing on the basic things we do that normally turn women off, and the basic things we don't do that could turn a woman on.

For instance, if you're not rich, then it doesn't help you to focus on what rich guys have. If you don't have a star athlete's body, then it doesn't matter what good that would do for you. If you're not the type of person to go out there and get it (probably 98% of people on this forum and in the general population), then it doesn't benefit you to focus on the life that those people have.

While being a 7 in the three categories that I mentioned has a natural chance of occurrence of about 3%, the conversational, stylistic, and health-related resources available to us on the internet and in print make it VERY ATTAINABLE to enter into that realm of "well-rounded individual".

Let's visit the numbers in terms of how they can be changed for a slightly motivated person. Because of the internet, let's say that any motivated man can make himself into a "7" in terms of style. All you have to do it read and pay attention and look around and look at yourself and you'll develop into a 7. That means that anyone on this forum who wants to can attain a 7 sense of style with reasonably little effort (by comparison to becoming filthy rich or in elite physical shape). Maybe a 10 is out of reach for many men because of lack of money or lack of time to pick and choose and shop etc.. If you agree with that, it means that the percentage of men who could reasonably expect a 7 sense of style is practically 100%. This increases the "motivated man" all 7 percentage to 9%

Let's face it... a 7 body for a man is not very hard to attain. A 10 is nearly impossible. A 7 is reasonably healthy and reasonably shaped. You don't have to be cut or jacked to be a 7 - you just have to be fit. This is a 3-4x per week type of commitment, with reasonable attention paid to diet. ANYONE that is going to focus on the benefits of elite-level body shape should already be in the 7 or better range. It's absolutely unattainable for the average person to get in 10 shape (hence why we call it a 10). If you reasonably assume that half of all men who are not naturally a 7 can attain a 7 shape, then the total percentage of motivated men in 7 or better shape is 65%.

That means that, for the motivated people in the forum, NOT EVEN INCLUDING PERSONALITY IMPROVEMENTS, the percentage of men who could be a well-rounded 7 is 19.5%

Now, assuming that half of the people who come on here can hold a reasonable conversation with a woman through hard work and regular exposure, and the number gets even higher. My point is that it's reasonable to shoot for an all-7's, but it's fruitless for almost everyone to focus on "how easy" the guys at the top of each category have it.

Looks are very important, and so is some form of career. However, unless you're top of the dog pile in those categories (not your average Joe on this site looking to improve himself), you'll need more than the one thing to be happy and to be fulfilled in life and to enter into successful relationships with women.

I don't think I'm doing a good job of making my point, I'm sorry if this is roundabout and repetitive.

 

[Chronocidal]

Yeah. That's my point. Most people won't be rich, and most people won't be in ultra-athletic shape - that is, the kind that gets you instant relationship-quality women who chase only one thing.

For this reason, it's ridiculous to bring up the benefits of being in those elite classes of men in reference to how they affect ones' chances with women. Instead, the majority of us on here without some defining uniqueness that instantly makes the panties drop should be focusing on the basic things we do that normally turn women off, and the basic things we don't do that could turn a woman on.

For instance, if you're not rich, then it doesn't help you to focus on what rich guys have. If you don't have a star athlete's body, then it doesn't matter what good that would do for you. If you're not the type of person to go out there and get it (probably 98% of people on this forum and in the general population), then it doesn't benefit you to focus on the life that those people have.

While being a 7 in the three categories that I mentioned has a natural chance of occurrence of about 3%, the conversational, stylistic, and health-related resources available to us on the internet and in print make it VERY ATTAINABLE to enter into that realm of "well-rounded individual".

Let's visit the numbers in terms of how they can be changed for a slightly motivated person. Because of the internet, let's say that any motivated man can make himself into a "7" in terms of style. All you have to do it read and pay attention and look around and look at yourself and you'll develop into a 7. That means that anyone on this forum who wants to can attain a 7 sense of style with reasonably little effort (by comparison to becoming filthy rich or in elite physical shape). Maybe a 10 is out of reach for many men because of lack of money or lack of time to pick and choose and shop etc..

If you agree with that, it means that the percentage of men who could reasonably expect a 7 sense of style is practically 100%. This increases the "motivated man" all 7 percentage to 9%

I actually was trying to make a different point. I seem not to be doing that good a job of it, though. I'll see if I can explain it here. (I actually agree completely with your overall point, though; that people often aren't using relevant benchmarks that reflect their current personal realities and locations.)

Again, that's still the same problem, just on a lesser scale. People here all too often keep talking of 7's, 8's, 9's, and 10s while forgetting the simple truths that only 50% of any population will ever be above the median and that only ten will ever comprise the top ten.

So the idea of 7 as being "attainable" to 100% of the population just isn't possible; no matter how much everyone in the cohort struggles to upgrade or DJ'ize themselves, only 30% will be in the top 30%; in other words, though an individual man may surpass some other men to rank higher than the others, there will still only be 30% of men who are ever 7's or above in any one given attribute.

Even being merely "well-rounded" above-median, i.e. a 5 or above in style, body, and personality, would only be possible for 12.5% of the population, no matter how hard everyone tries.

That all said, I see nothing wrong with people who are, say, "looking for a total-package HB9", as long as they're realizing that they're also by definition abandoning all effort for 99.9% of the women in their area (by definition, only 0.01% of women are 9+ in style, body, and personality) and that they're willing to deal with that degree of competition involved.