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The Book : On the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are

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...by Alan Watts

Anyone ever read it? Recommend it? I'll probably read it anyway, but I hadn't seen it mentioned on this board before, and I ran into someone reading it the other day; seems like it gives you a whole new perspective of the world. It's pretty famous too, but I had never heard of it before, even though it was first published in 1966!

As far as I know, the author, Watts, was a Zen master, and Taoist, which coincides with the philosophies of a few of the members/articles on this site, so I thought I'd see what you guys have to say about it.

A-Unit, given your background/interest in such ideals, have you read it?

btw, I'll give you guys a review of it myself, when I get it and finish it.
 

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I read many months ago, say Winter?

VERY eye opening. You're forced to literally expand your mind to adjust to new levels of thinking. I don't feel many books offer such thought until you consider ones that are spiritual, new age, and so on.

I absolutely believe everybody should give it a shot, either at the library or own it. I buy them all. Why?

Because, like now, i forget some of what I read. I do take notes and pull passages out and put them some where to remember them, but I don't remember the book in it's entirety.

Good choice.

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I have a belief that whatever you feel and deeply desire down below, comes to being in life.

It's hard to explain but to me, there's more reality to the non-visual, non physical life than there is what actually is seen before our eyes.

I recall an instance where I wanted this hot blonde when I was 17. She was coveted by many at her high school. She was 16 at the time, and slightly 'horish.' Hormones, what can I say? I thought if I had a bad girl who was somewhat soft it'd be the best of both worlds. Anyways, she lived in Maine, near my cousins, so being from the Boston area I figured I'd have a leg up with style and what not.

For the longest time I envision what would happen, how it would go down, and how it would come about. Wasn't sure, but I placed confidence in it happening. My only problem was, her sister liked me, so I thought I had a true **** block happening. I pushed through that, too. In the end, it ALL, and I mean ALL, went as I envisioned it. I worked out, go in tip top shape, she showed some interest b/c I was older and out of state, and we ended up kissing and goofing around. The reason for that, was because it lead me to believe that our truest, deepest desires come forth, and whether they are good or not we don't know.

We dated, long distant for a few months and talked and wrote. She was set to come to my prom, until I ended up finding a girl from my high school that I dated for quite sometime. So she was out of the picture.

Still...I believe we emit the energy of attraction. The longest time I can remember, I always wanted a hot, sexy 18 year old who was porn-like. I got that last summer and our goofing around last until this past winter. It was a nice fling, but I wanted to F* her on a more consistent basis and she was so flighty and erratic it wasn't worth it. But it was fun til it lasted!!

Prior to her, I always wanted a JLO stereotype of a girl. Big ass, nice tits, sexual, fun, party girl. I got that in my EX-GF from Texas. "D". She was awesome for awhile. We went to Hawaii and she'd fly to see me and vice versa. My desire came to being, but in the end we split because she had men issues due to her father leaving her. She was awesome in bed, but her incessant drug use was a major turn off. Plus the boozing made her buns blow up major.

Now, I'd always fantasized about a 'girl next door type' who was sexy/sexual, fun, able to bring places, down to earth, carefree, party-like, and young. I got that as well. She's 21, nice roundass (think azzparade.com), firm C's, and a good business-school girl. She loves giving bj's, loves sex, and even set up a WHOLE football party for me and my friends this past weekend by getting '99', my fav alchy, making snacks, and showing up in a pats outfit. It's gone pretty well.

My current profession is much the result of some 'luck'. Working in the financial industry, I got an internship, which I hated, and made me miserable. When I finished college, I had no job prospects, but some connections. I'd been working alongside my father when his old school friend walked by. He knew I had worked in finance and had the degrees and drive and he was starting a company. He suggested I go by and see what it was about. If I wasn't there that day, I wouldn't be here typing. Suffice it to say 3 years later and I've made more money than most of my college friends combined. Most of it the essence of goodwill, belief, and luck as the result of hard work, and positivity, and magnetic attraction. Not to mention, it was working alongside my father's friend that led me down the path to me my spanish JLO gf, which only happened randomly on a business trip.

So can I say looking deeper inside THAT part of life helps? Absolutely. I believe we have control over life through decisions we make and choices we have, but that's it. Everything else is lined up for us. It's what you do with it that counts.

Along the time that all these things happen, I've read many books along the lines Alan Watt's book...

"Awareness"
"Disappearance of the UNiverse"
"A Course in MIracles"
"Infinite Self"
"Way of the Peaceful Warrior"
"The Book"
"The Book of Secrets"

there's many more, but those are off the top of my head...



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Hey thanks for the input, A-Unit. I'll definitely have to check it out now. I've jotted those other ones down as well.

I agree with emitting an "energy of attraction," as I feel like I've been somewhat experiencing that lately.

I very much agree with this also:
Originally posted by A-Unit
I believe we have control over life through decisions we make and choices we have, but that's it. Everything else is lined up for us. It's what you do with it that counts.
You also wrote this recently:
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This is why I say, I lift for me. The motivation is nice to do it for women, or feel confident to be hot at the beach. But social proof is fanciful and whimsical. Your sense of self is tied to the masses, and that means you have no sense of being.
It was on a different thread, but I think it is relevant to the "energy of attraction" somewhat, imo. My point, though, is that I don't feel my "sense of self is tied to the masses," but I can't see any other motivation to bulk besides being able to get easier ass from more (and possibly hotter) women, etc. I love myself, and sometimes I can't help just looking at myself in the mirror, because I love what I see. But, my body is not in shape, and I acknowlege to myself that I could gain weight and make myself even feel better, but I still love myself.

I guess my gaining confidence and self-improvement happened with bad timing because I used to be in very good shape...when I had low self-esteem and was very insecure. For example, back in last year of middle school (8th grade), I was so good at soccer, I was playing for my highschool team, which no one else was doing then. I used be a great runner...5min mile was easy for me. Now, after not having run for quite some time or played soccer, I suck at both.

And back then, I was terrible with girls, and barely ever spoke to them, despite them coming to me, and lots of times asking me to take of my shirt or do stuff. Even back then I worked out for the sole purpose of attention from girls, etc...but due to my social skill problems botching every opportunity I got in that regards, I gave it all up. Over time, once I found this site, I've let my personality carry me, and though I do have a decent face, looks mean nothing without a complimentary decent personality. And now, the girls that I attract or am attracted to are usually not incredible, but are the types of girls that maybe exercise occasionally like myself, just to stay in basic shape. Not to say they're fat, but they're not like the girls you say you date...I guess I care more if a girl has a cute face first and foremost...and if so, hopefully she is somewhat shorter than me, and has a visible 'hourglass' body shape... and this all as long as her personality makes her fun to be around. A little flab or imperfections are okay...I actually prefer the Hb6-8s rather than super hotties...but that's just me. I guess with this mindset ...

I can't see the other perspective of why else I should workout. And I'm not saying I should be forced to see, I just wanted to see if you could explain that quote of yours some more.
 

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"The things you believe in constitute the baggage you carry with you in your life. The true sage believes in nothing other than the sacredness of all things. He lives in the spontaneity of energy. He doesn't defend or judge anything. His world is eternal and infinite; he sees beauty in all things, and he accepts the ways of man, including restrictiong and strife. He knows that without constraints, there would be no challenges." ~ Stuart Wilde "Affirmations".

I started off with that because BELIEFS truly are baggage. They either motivate you or they paralyze you. Those who have reached great heights have done so with powerful, motivating BELIEFS. Even Tony Robbins knows this. He mentions the power of beliefs in all his books. But beliefs come about over time. You must immerse yourself in what it is you want to belief. It must become your physical reality to become belief. It must be worked on each day. And dug into, and worked from different angles, so as to protect it from outside invasion.

Now...

I personally don't believe it what it is we belief that matters. We try to fix the our belief systems. We ridicule other's for theirs, yet we are not confident in others. And what are beliefs anyways?

They are our thoughts on what we deem reality is based on our experience. Yet, if we somehow misunderstood that experience a belief would then be false. Since situations/experiences can be viewed from multiple angles, there's no 1 right thing. There's no 1 right way. Meaning, how you saw it may or may not be true. Yet, we establish beliefs on things we deem to understand.

Much of what's done in the PUA community, for instance is based on what has been believed to work. Granted, it's not 100%, but it's work 51% of the time so guys pawn it off and replicate it. That's where beliefs are established.

Same with college. It's believed education = success/money, so we go. If college had no return on invested time or money, and the beliefs didn't match the outcome, nobody would go.

Beliefs direct reality.

That said, having them could help or hurt you. And we can't know if they help or hurt, because we must first know what it is we want, THEN establish beliefs. Trying to do something with misguided beliefs is useless. It's immediate failure.

We can sit here and ponder all the beliefs on life after death, on what the world means, and on what works with women, but it's all crap anyways. I was once called a nihilist on here because I was positing about the fact we know very little. We know alot, we've just forgotten it. We uphold beliefs that create the world we see before us. The before us is the result of the collective beliefs of the human race. It's a reflecting pool of those beliefs. And people condem the world for what it is, when they should condem themselves for it.

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The fact is we all want concrete beliefs, and this what leads to fighting, wars, strife, and lack in life. Beliefs are unknown as it relates to the physical plane, so we feel more comfortable with more people hoping on board with us. When that happens, it reaffirms the belief structure and gains power. NOW, it's more than belief, it's called knowledge. Religion does this. So does society. Society deems public education to be a positive institution, so parents send their kids away.

I do not pretend to know what some higher being is. I do not believe I can know, at least in my present mental state what he/she/it is. I think operating from a place of ignorance as it relates to life and spirituality is a safer bet. Many use beliefs to support their own concern in life, their own unhappiness.

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As it relates to working out and such, you can do it knowing you will gain favor from the opposite sex, and some respect from your friends and family. But normally that's what makes people unhappy. They do something so long, achieving their goal/dream, and it's not what it appeared to be because their motivations were outside themselves.

It's good to hold a vision of you winning a lifting competition, or coming in second, or being buff @ the beach, whether you receive praise or not. It's not so good to envision the women swooning at a bar, because it may not happen. There's a difference between firm vision and whimsical one's.

I believe if you have to be in shape for a wedding, you can firmly envision that and do it. I believe you can workout and envision being cut @ the beach, knowing you enjoy having no clothes. However, life is very random and spontaneous and it will likely throw curves at you, so when you're expecting something, you won't get it. You'll get it in some other way.

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Many of the top lifting pro's started with the simple belief that they got beat up by someone bigger and wanted to be the bigger guy this time. Or, they were tired of being made fun of, so they worked out to not be skinny. Or the fat guy was tired of being fat.

Pain v. pleasure.

Pain can be a motivator, too. Sometimes things get so low that the only way to go is up, and depending on your own limitations, you'll get there. To get more life, though, we must know where those limitations are, and when it feels painful, push further and create new comfort zones.

If you're in sales, and only go so far, or only do so much, then you know your comfort zone. Analyze that limiting factor.

If you work out, and seem to get in decent shape, realize where it is you stop and continue.

If you're into saving/investing, find out what happens when you get so far and turn around. Start pushing back.

It all changes with a slight action.

I read alot of motivationl/inspirational/spirtual and psychological books. Tony Robbin's theory is to increase by 1% each thing you do, each time you do it. I believe lifting works the same way. If your body is the reflection of the physical ability it has, and it reflects the work you can, push just a little further each workout.

If you do 12 reps this week at 50lbs, consider that weight volume 600lbs, go to 610 total, or 620, which would be 13 reps of 50lbs, or 12 reps at 52.5.

Doing that long enough, the pain of increase isn't so severe as to make you turn back.

My fam did that with vegetables. I used to eat a few peas, then more, until a whole patch. Now I like them. When you go like that, you don't realize progress is being made, but it is.

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^thanks for that great post...I get what you're saying,

evisioning vs. expectation...great point.

and as for the comfort zone analogy, that's a good way to explain it...it's just going to take some time to think it through and let it sink in. and i need to put it to action to really understand it.

nice.
 
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