Student gets tazed for not having id...

[Morphiex]

http://www.break.com/index/student_gets_tazed_for_not_having_id.html

this one is better :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP_M8s0GFEc

oki from what i understand , the kid who is from arab decent gets picked "randomly" by the police on campus to show his id , i guess he didnt see anyone else who had to show id , and understood that since he looked middleeastern thats why he got chosen... so he says he will not show hid id , because they picked him only because he looked like a middleeasstern guy ... so the police ask him again and again , he keeps says no , asking why he got picked , and i nthe end says "im leaving this place..."
he then tries to leave ,but then the police ask him to get on the floor so they can arrest him , he says thats hes leaving already so why arrest him , but they still say that he should lay down on the floor so they can arrest him ... so they argue alittle and he gets on the floor with hands behind his head , gets handcuffed ....
then he starts telling the police that they are immoral and **** (in a semi calm voice) , they tell him to stand up but he keeps ranting , so they shock him with the tazer , then the student starts yelling out load , the police keep saying "stand up or else you will get tazed"... but he just got tazed so he cant or wont stand up , so they taze him again , then pull him on his feet , but on the way he drops again , they keep sayng stand up , he says (if you listen closely ) "i cant" the police keeps saying stand up ... but he cant so they taze him again... and again ... about 5 - 6 times....

edit : well it seem that they asked him to show the id , he sayid he couldnt ... they argued a little , then he said he was leaving , but they said wait for the escort from the police , the escort came grabbed his shoulder , he yelled dont touch me , and the police got scared cuz he was angry and he was middleeastern decent, maby they thought he was a suicide bomber because he was a angry middleesterner , so they wanted to arrest him.... they ask him to get on the floor , he doesnt comy , they taze him ,he gets handcuffed ... he keeps yelling " I SAID I WAS GOING TO LEAVE" , if you listen you can hear him saying "i was leaving , then you came and stopped me and then you tazed me" .... they tazed him for over 5 secs , locking every muscle in his body , and expect him to stand perfectly up within 10 secs , when he cant they taze him again...
oh and he was a student at the university ... theyve confirmed it.....

Wiki quote :

According to Young, the officers used the "drive stun" setting in the Taser. This setting "delivers a shock to a specific part of the body with the front of the Taser."[4] Shocks administered with electroshock guns temporarily disrupt muscle function.

According to a study published in the Lancet Medical Journal in 2001 (quoted in the Daily Bruin article on this incident), "a charge of three to five seconds can result in immobilization for five to fifteen minutes, which would mean that Tabatabainejad could have been physically unable to stand when the officers demanded that he do so."

 

[Morphiex]

well first of all :

he should have shown his id , even though the pigs are racist mofos, its the world we live in now , if your brown your gonna be looked at , as i get whenever i go out to a public place....

2nd : the police had no right to arrest him... comon if he says hes leaving then let him leave , its not like he was doing something criminal... the police think they are supermen in todays society that they can do whatever **** they want...

3rd. he should have gotten up when they told him to , not started ranting about racisme....

4th. The police should never have tazed him , ffs they were 3 and he was one handcuffed guy... they could have just as easily carried him out...

5th. The police shouldnt have tazed him again and again , that is the most bull**** thing ive seen , he wass incapacitated and on the floor askign them to stop , but they kept on tazing him...

6. Hes gonna sue the state and get a couple millions and the police are gonna become more vendictive against middleeastern looking guys...

 

[Charm&Style]

the guy was persian american and a homie of mine.

i went to the protest today.

 

[Charm&Style]

deus ur second paragraph is very idiotic...especially coming out of u.

 

[Charm&Style]

huh ?? ur soo off point...


obviously u only get ur facts off bullsh*t media. come up with a better argument


tanx

 

[Morphiex]

he was handcuffed , that means he was under arrest, yet the policemen still tazed him .... he could not stand up becasue he got tazed , if you look up you can see i wrote there has been done a study of the tazer and it shows that the human body become paralyzed for some moments... and he said "stop i cant" yet they kept tazing him....

and sstill you think this is justified...

as i said before yes he should have shown id , but if he already had decided to leave and was in the purpose of doing so , the use of a tazer was not neccesary... even if he yelled at the police and said get off me...

i just find it very interesting they chose the guy who was middle eastern decent to show his id when he was in the faar back... and i find it mroe interesting that they would do this to a middleeastern guy , if it had been a white student he woudnt had gotten the same treatment...

and PLEASE I BEG YOU , dont start a political debate here by saying something ignorant about lefties again... for once i want something important like this to be discussed sivilized without ignorant political views....cuz everytime you answer a thread it gets closed....

 

[Charm&Style]

:yes:


stop with your stupid a$s lines like " ya maybe they thought he was a suicide bomber cuz hes middleastern and hes angry "

You made this thread so dont go off saying moronic racial slurs that your dumba$s friends and family tell you..which they get off the media who targets all middleastern as an extremist group which only about 2% of muslims fall under "extremists" just like any other religon.

Like morphiex said this is a good topic to be discussed and if your gonna discuss it, do with inteligance and not ignorance.

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[Charm&Style]

plz research zionisim and get back to me....again your just another average chumped brain washed by what the media feeds you.

You got all your facts from the video...:crackup: i dont remember the video showing the before scene...before the cops arrived.

Secondly like i said the victim is a close friend of mine, and im pretty sure after going to the protest today and talking with everyone...that your facts are still wayyyyy more than mine, just from watching a vid on you tube.

Like ive said before there is no point in talking with thick headed ppl. Plz calm down. Again im giong ta spelll az sheetty az i wnat so u can tlel me to fix my grmmar. Tanx Professor douche.

 

[Morphiex]

deus , comeon , whats with the hostility again ??

1. being detained is the same as being arrested , arrested comes from the french arret wich means stop, detained = being hold , being stopped.... and they had clearly stopped him, what they were doing was subduing him by using uneccesary excessive force... And i also think that using uneccesary excessive force on a handcuffed person is against the law , but im not shure on that because im no law major....

second have you ever been tazed 3 -4 times in 5-10 sec intervals within 5 minutes , are you seriously saying that being tazed 3 -4 times withing 3- 5 minutes makes the guy able to stand up within seconds... he was almost unconcious at the end... and they still used tazers on him...
also in the end one of the policemen said to a bistander go over there or else i will taze you too.....

3rd.
Your the one who actually makes a not so smart remark on ALL lefties in compliant to pherhaps a small remark on one signle individual from the right... you start a flaming war , everytime with your superirity complexed condesending attitude and one sided ignorance... and you resort to typical branding of people from left as all low intellegent sheep or kool aid drinker what ever that is... yo mate you dont know me so dont be starting to place me within a certain group as i have told you about 4 times now... i do NOT live in the usa , i belive in freedom to choose both sides...

also beng able to stick to proper grammer does not define ones intellegence , being able to understand a situation from different views makes one intellegent....

 

[Morphiex]

lol yeah you just confirmed all of my accusations...

 

[Skilla_Staz]

I'm not sure what the policy on ID is, but can you really arrest somebody based on a random selection who isn't committing a criminal act? I understand he didn't show ID, but it's not as if he was driving a vehicle, or performing some act which requires an ID. If he was just chillin' and they asked for his ID, I'd be suspicious myself. No matter what ethnicity he was.

This is in the UCLA library, why on earth have three officers for one kids ID?

Tazer shouldn't have been necessary. As far as I'm aware, it should be used when a suspect is being unruly and possibly dangerous. Laying on the floor doesn't seem dangerous to me. If they already had him handcuffed and had three officers present, this would be police brutality to me.

Lawsuit pending I would imagine.

 

[seanchai]

There is nothing he could have done short of swinging at the officers to warrant this kind of response, and regardless there has been no report of that happening.

When you tase a handcuffed suspect, you are committing an act of torture, not subduing him.

Furthermore, four officers could drag a student of any reasonable size out of the library without any extra help that a Taser provides, easily.

This is plain police brutality. Not to mention stupidity... threatening other students with tasing for watching it go down...

 

[piranha45]

hot chicks have been known to swoon for deus solely on account of his heated arguing in the 'anything goes' forum.

 

[Skilla_Staz]

This is plain police brutality. Not to mention stupidity... threatening other students with tasing for watching it go down...

Agreed, at the end of the video the police officer points and goes says something about moving or "you will get tazed too"


Oh really? Sounds like they're really serving and protecting...

 

[piranha45]

well maybe the others were gonna be late for class

 

[Berlex]

He tells the student to stand back, or he will get tazed. And he would deserve it. This is what happens to people who threaten police officers. It's really not that complicated. That's why MOST people don't get tazed in their lifetimes.

The student asked for the officer's name and badge number, how is that threatening?

 

[seanchai]

He tells the student to stand back, or he will get tazed. And he would deserve it. This is what happens to people who threaten police officers. It's really not that complicated. That's why MOST people don't get tazed in their lifetimes.

Dude, he wasn't confronting the officer. He was talking to him - angrily, but he was NOT threatening him. That tasing offer was unfounded.

 

[Deep Dish]

1. being detained is the same as being arrested , arrested comes from the french arret wich means stop, detained = being hold , being stopped.... and they had clearly stopped him, what they were doing was subduing him by using uneccesary excessive force... And i also think that using uneccesary excessive force on a handcuffed person is against the law , but im not shure on that because im no law major....

I was. Well, technically Criminal Justice, but I did take constitutional law classes.

Being detained far doesn't equal being arrested. For instance, if you are pulled over by the police, you are being detained. If they ask you to step out of the car and you agree to a search, you are being detained. If they ask you questions, you are being detained (and have no fifth ammendment protections). If you are handcuffed and placed in a squad car, you are still being detained; the police can still let you go. You still have yet to be arrested. You can be asked to come down to the police station and be interrogated by the police for hours but yet still only be detained. The difference between being detained and in legal custody (arrested) is difficult to draw. It's when you no longer have the right to leave and that is blurry to define. I suppose to say that you know when you've been arrested when the police tell you.

Secondly, in regards to excessive force, there is a seven-tier "use of force matrix." At the first tier, any police presence is use of force. At the seventh tier is deadly force. There is the unwritten general rule of thumb that the police are justifiably allowed to use force one notch above the level of resistance. The police have a genuine need to keep control of all situations. For instance, if someone sternly talks back to the police, the officer is justified in grabbing and twisting around someone's arm.

In the provided video, we never witness what actually happens except limited to overhearing the situation. Furthermore, based upon the intense verbal resistance by the defendant, a tazer does not seem to me to be unreasonable. He wasn't tazered merely for not having an ID—"Hello there! I'm Deep Dish! No, I don't have an ID... *zap!*"—but for the aforementioned intense resistance. And yes, verbal resistance is resistance. And just where is the video footage of him being tazered while handcuffed? Without video, it's all hearsay. Witnesses? Show me the legal affadavits. I'm sorry, but witnesses strongly tend to fabricate details, both intentionally and unintentionally. (In fact, studies have shown that the more confident is a witness of their accuracy the more likely they are wrong.)

I would like to see the statutory citation of Californian statutory law explictedly stating it's illegal to use force against someone while handcuffed. I bet it doesn't. The police are justified in using sufficient-enough action to ensure public safety and surprisingly enough being handcuffed does not for people who are large enough, strong enough, and creative enough (e.g. kicking, running, biting).

seanchai:
Dude, he wasn't confronting the officer. He was talking to him - angrily, but he was NOT threatening him.

Legally, that has absolutely no bearing in the least. Verbal resistance = resistance. In fact, what he did is technically a crime called resisting arrest without violence. So, legally speaking, even if he did something which didn't warrant an arrest, he then did commit a crime and in which the police did have grounds to arrest. He also committed another crime and that is failure to obey an officer's lawful order.

The tazer, while perhaps failing in the court of popular opinion, will stand up in court.

[EDIT: okay, so I didn't watch the whole video the first time. He was tazered while handcuffed but still the video demonsrates the subsequent tazers were justified by continued resistance]

 

[seanchai]

Legally, that has absolutely no bearing in the least. Verbal resistance = resistance. In fact, what he did is technically a crime called resisting arrest without violence. So, legally speaking, even if he did something which didn't warrant an arrest, he then did commit a crime and in which the police did have grounds to arrest. He also committed another crime and that is failure to obey an officer's lawful order.

The tazer, while perhaps failing in the court of popular opinion, will stand up in court.

At least in NYC, a police officer is required by law to respond in the affirmative to a request for his or her badge number. I don't know, but I assume that there is a similar law on the books in LA, so it's at least a violation of his brief. I don't know what bearing that (possible) failure to do his job would have on the "resisting arrest without violence" charge.

EDIT: You can see his hands cuffed behind his back when he gets tased in the small of the back and his legs go flying in the air about halfway through the video.

 

[Jvesti]

Ya the kid got what he deserved. He's a spoiled little punk and the police were just doing their jobs and following protocol. He sounds just like some spoiled kid fighting getting grounded by his parents. This is probably why a lot of kids can't understand why this wasn't out of line because there parents never disciplined them in their life and they dont understand authority and think they can get away with things. they are in for a rude awakening when they get out of college. For example:

Father: you're grounded
kid: please daddy dont ground me I'll be good i promise"
Father: okay fine

then same kid goes in the real world

boss: you're fired
kid: pplleease i'll do my work i promise i wont be out so much
boss: nope you're fired

He was belligerent and showed no respect for authority. Police dont purposely brutalize someone in front of large groups of people they follow protocol and remain calm which these guys did.

I have somewhat of a temper and mouth off at times but im not gonna go cryin "abuse of power" nah they are just doing their job of maintaining order and authority.

You also have to keep in mind this recording switched on in the middle of their yelling. I bet this kid was asked to show ID. He didn't and got some punk attitude screaming in their faces ignoring the cops. He showed disregard for authority and police have to ensure authority and rules that's what they were there for

A person on property without an ID in the library is rules. People pay 30k plus a year to have the priveledge of using those facillities. So you dont have it you leave and respect authority. He didn't and he mouthed off belligerently showing no respect to the cops. The cops had to maintain order and put this person in his place to respect the rules of use to the property and disorderly disruptive conduct. He didn't comply with a cop he needed to be made an example of and put in detainment. Not let off the hook because his yelling and screaming being a brat didn't work on the cops like it works on mommy and daddy. The fact he was whimpering when he got tazed shows that was the case. Police must ensure they are respected and understood as authority at all times because if not who will listen to em.

Bet that kid is gonna listen to the cops next time they ask him to comply.