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Starting a New Business

Dark Nimbus

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Hey guys, I'm thinking of starting a business with a couple of my co-workers since we're underpaid working at the place we're at right now and we do 90% of the work in the company anyways. We'll only need to find one good contract to get us started, and I don't think it'll be THAT hard to do it if we look around in our spare time. One of my old classmates just quit his job and has started looking for contract jobs, and he's already found 2 which pay really well.

What I'm wondering is if we should each start our own business and then sub-contract each other and divide the pay equally, or should we make just one company under all 3 of our names? What are the advantage and drawback of both, keeping in mind that I'm from Canada so the business laws are probably a bit different here. Any good websites I can read about starting a new business?
 

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Business failure statistics, are (I believe) grossly overinflated by people who impulsively start a new venture by quitting their hated job in a blaze of glory, and getting into something they know little or nothing about. I suppose those who carefully consider their moves and study their markets have a much higher success rate.

Line up as much work as you can, incorporate, and understand the new influx of government paperwork (quarterly filings, and such) before you go ahead and start your new business. Create a business plan and a marketing plan, too.

I did very well after only a year of transition from employed --- > unemployed ---> self employed, but it took the right combo of skills, hard work and bits of luck, too.
 

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E-Myth: Why most small businesses fail and what to do about it by Michael Gerber

I HIGHLY suggest this book.

On a side note, one of their main examples of why businesses go wrong was how the talented engineer or worker thinks the boss is an idiot because he can do the work 10 times better than the boss can.

Then goes in business for himself and comes to find that entrepreneurship has little to do with skill of job as much as organizational and systematizing and people skills that this boss had. Anyways i suggest picking it up, it will help you figure out HOW to partner and if its wise to set up this business.
 

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When I was 19, I decided that me and a business associate from high school (we had a knack for making money together since we were both 15) decided to start an online comptuer company.

The idea came about when we noticed that there were no compaines that really let you FULLY customize a pc, and the ones that did to some extent made it so complex that only the true computer geeks could build a pc with it actually working.

So the backbone of our company and business model was a three pronged customization system that had a beginner, itermediate and advanced catgory of customization. When I was working at Best Buy as a comptuer Tech in my teens, you don't know how many times I had people come up to me say ing "I need a pc with a DVD Burner that's fast" or "I want to play games and I know I need this video card". Well, we had the ONLY system to date that can let you literarly start with the video card and build your computer from there. And the beauty of it was, that it was 100% foolproof (thanks to our friends from india :)), the computer was guaranteed to work.

To make a long story short, we started with $800 dollars in 2002, and in late march, I sold my part of the company for well in the mid 6 figures, and it would have been more if I would have held out longer for another potential buyer. A large computer company, who I won't name, offered us, the two owners 4 Million a peice for our patten on our customization option around my B-Day last year... Of course I didn't, or better yet, we didn't accecpt it, not so much because we didn't like the money, but for our hatred of that company that grew while we learned more on how they did business.

We grossed well over $1,000,000 in revenue last year, and when I resigned in March, we were on pace to break 7 Million. And our profit margin after SG&A was 17.5%, we ran a tight ship, were extremely effiecent and always had cash.


The business aspect of business is suprisingly easy, if you are dealing with something you know about. There wasn't much I didn't know about computers or building them. I would say the hardest part of the whole thing is the disipline it takes to be successful. I mean, It's YOUR company. There isn't much you CAN'T do and not get away with.

But back to the disipline. When we first were getting rolling, I worked 7 days a week, 14-18 hours a day. Now, once we got on track, I cut back to 5 days a week... I had the key to the office so I had to open the building, so I had to be there no later than 7:45, and I usually got off work at 4:00. I didn't take a lunch break and I usually didn't take phone calls. (I hate people who pride themselves on working 12-14 hour days, but they piss most of it away by being unproductive). On Friday's, assuming nothing major was going on, and all of the payroll was done and we had no standing issues with our banks, I would be out the door at 1:30 and let my business partner lock up. I had saturdays off, and on Sunday morning, me and my business partner would get together for an hour or so and go over the goals for the next week.

The only day I had off in my entire tenure there was the day I turned 21. And I really didn't even have that day off, I went to work and my business partner gave me a B-day present, and the 5 minutes later I got a call from this apartment place I was tr ying to move into and they told me if I wanted the apartment I had to move in that day.. in the 100 degree heat. I had already known I would have to take off early because my mom wanted to take me out to eat.

Luckliey I didn't have much furniture so I didn't take longer than 3 hours to get in, but I had to call in that day, even though I was already at work.

It's hard, espically being 20, 21, seeing all your friends going to parties or whatnot and you have to "work" but something I learned is that I was investing my time, most people spend it. And When I started to actually have a life again, when I turned 21, you are talking about FUN... because you know that unlike most people there, you are doing somet hing with your life, this enviorment isn't your life.

A couple of things I learned at my young age:

* There is absolutley nothing you CAN'T DO. I don't care what anyone says, they don't know what you are capable of. I sold my company for 2 reasons... 1, I didn't particualy like my business partner and 2) I had another love, even stronger than computers, and it's horse racing, and has been my entire life. One night I was sitting down and decided I was going to follow my dreams and decided to quit and get in the horse racing business full time. To make a long story very short, I have made more money in the last 4 months then I did in the last 3 years doing what I was doing, and it's not even about the money, I am just happy becuase I have loved horse racing since i was 7. I recently bought a couple of yearlings and I want to get involved in that side of it as well.

* The japanese have a motto that served me well " What can be done tomorrow can be done today"... It's a good way to think about things. Don't put off what can be done today until tomorrow.

* Be careful who your business partner is. I was the CFO and Co Chairman (my decision because I am very comfortable with budgets, numbers and banks) but because my business partner was.....wired is the best way to describe it, I was pretty much the CEO as well... our business contacts didn't want to deal with him, employees came to me if they had a problem and to top it all off, he ahd a bad habit of spending the companies money, and he got paid around $100,000 a year, with perks (didn't have to pay rent or utilities, just buy his own food), iplus dividends, in one of the cheapest places to live in the entire US.

* Learn as much about other compaines in your sector as possible.

* Treat employees like you want to be treated and you will be suprised at how efficent your company can be.

* Most important is when you do start to see a little success, don't get greedy. Aesop's Fables says that Greed can make you loose everything, and that's so, so true.


If you want some more detailed advice, feel free to PM me, and i have some resourses and tips I will be happy to give.
 
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thats a damn good story backbreaker...its unbelieveable that youre only 21 years old and you already had so much success....at 21 most people about halfway with college...youre truly inspirational. thumbs up to your post :up:
 

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Thanks for the feedback so far guys.

Backbreaker, you need to clean out your mailbox ;)
 

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yeah it's been a while since I checked that.

You can always email me at songofthesword@gmail.com (One of my favoriate horse names, ran in the KD last year)

actually, I turned 22 in June, but I don't know how to change my date on the thing.
 

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i just emptied my message box, so if you want to shoot something at me feel free.
 

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I don't know what made me post this, but let me go ahead since I can't sleep...


I will talk about people's preception on horse racing.

first, if people put half as much effort into making money though hrose racing as they do selling stocks/bonds, the stock market probably wouldn't exist, and I am dead serious. I traded stock for a while, not much, but enough to be familar with it, since i had private stock in my own company.

a) The return on it is hardley ever signifficant

b) The human aspect of the stocks, and what i mean by that is corporate compaines aren't always thinking in YOUR, the stockholders best interest.

I mean, think about how silly it sounds, the stock market and all. You can actually, and I mean this, trade a stock of a company THAT DOESN'T EXIST and it will sell until people decide they don't want to buy it any longer... but if people all agreed not to sell, you would be buying stock of a company that isn't even a company.

I still own some stock, but like 10% of what I used to, just in some compaines that I think are in a position to have some serious growth over the next few years (Churchill Downs Corp is one) in other words, I am not trying to "grind" myself to a living.

Now with horse racing, alot of people don't understand how it really works..

HOrse racing is nothing like gambling at the casino, which I will never do, unless it's poker.

See, at the Casino, you are betting against the house. In H orse racing, you are betting against other handicappers at the track and simucast. To be quite frank, the Horse Track doesn't really give 2 ****s if you were the only person at the track that won money because the track is going to get 17% of all bets placed BEFORE the race starts.

for example, say it's a saturday at say... Del Mar, one of the biggest tracks in the country. on a normal 8th race, which is usually the headline race, I wouldn't be suprised to look up and see $100,000 wagered in the Win Pool (the pot of money that is split upon everyone that a ticket for the horse that won), but really, close to $130,000 was actually bet, the track just got $30,000 of it.

So I laugh at people who say you can't beat the races, because you aren't trying to beat the races, you are trying to beat the other dumbasses who think the same thing.

I am not going to get in how much money I make/made because to me it really doesn' tmatter, all that matters is that you can make money off it if you put your mind to it.

YOu will never, ever see a "how to beat the races" book that's worth 10 cents becasue once you learn how, that's not something you want spreding because it's money coming out of your pocket, unlike the casino were it's coming out of the casino's pocket.

i'm not going to get too deep into it, but I will say, that I really, really started to make money when I stopped looking at DRF past proformances and speed ratings, and when I started looking at situtations...

All I mean by that is that a horse might have won his last race by 10 lenghts, which is a rump, but that doesn't necessarly mean he will do the same today. Usually you can look at a lot of factors and tell if he is.

The biggest race I have ever won was this years KD.. I hit the exacta twice for $20,000, and it might have been one of the easiest pay days I have ever had. It took me all of 2 mintues to see that if anyone, Giacomo's trainer knew his horse was ready, and that's all you can ask for... He was working him 7 Furlongs... wait let me explain that to you. When you work out a horse, in the horses off days, you have 3F, 4F, 5F, 6F and 7F (the F stands for Furlongs, there are 8 in a mile) 4 and 5 F are good workouts, I don't even look at 3F workouts because they are pointless to me, not a good indicator of much. A good 4F is worth noting, a good 5F is really worth noting, I don't care how bad a horse is, if he has a good 6F workout, like a bullet (the fastest workout of the day) or close to it, I will bet that horse, and I have NEVER seen a bullet 7F workout until I started handicapping that race. To put that in prospective... The horse was working out at a mile and was looking great.

I think I talked to one other person at the track that said the same thing that day, that they saw Service (the trainer) was working him at 7F and he was doing good and it was like robbing a piggy bank.

Say a horse is 2 to 1, won his last race buy 6 lenghts and is racing at a higher class? Most people would bet him and would consider him a lock... But what if I told you that he had a different owner, which means a different trainer? I would mark him out, and heres why... In horse racing, if you claim a horse, you are required to move up in class for at least 1 race, it's not an option... So the trainer didn't think so highly of him that he had to move him up, he didn' thave a choice.. I mean, why does have have a new trainer and owner in the first place if he just won?

And most people would be curisng themselves silly when the horse got tired in the back stretch and came in close to last and blame it on "man you never know what's going on, you can't win" while I am laughing all the way to the ticket counter because I bet a horse that changed from an average jockey to one of the better jockeys at the track after he just had two solid back to back workouts.
 

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to follow up on the stock story, you though Enron was bad?

In Canada, not too long ago, maybe 3-4 years ago, there was a company called I YBM, something like this.. Well, they decided to go public and all, you know, the normal.

Well, the thing is... This com pany wasn't really a company. They were controled by Semion Mogilevich, which to this day is considered to be the most dangerous Gangster in the world. He is the head of the Russian Mob, and I am not talking about in America, in pretty much everywhere.

Anyway, he started this company as a front to lunder money though the Bank of New York and thoughout the world using front compaines.

They were this multi million dollar company, like hundreds of millions of dollars, but their building was an abandonded school building in the US. Never sold anything. And this went on for I think 4-6 years, for a while. I forgot what tipped the underwriters off, but something did, but not after the mob made billions using the stock of a company that really didn't exist.
 

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I guess I am on a roll tonight, the thing that got me hooked on it was watching the Arkansas Derby when I was 7-8... All the pagentry, it's nothing like it. The horses that run in Claiming races and allowances look so much smaller than horses that run in Derby Calibur races that they almost look like different species... Smarty Jones is the only horse that i have seen that didn't have that LOOK about him. When I saw thim get in that gate and the crowd go wild and watched with how much effortlessness they moved on the track, I knew nothign at least in my mind could match the beauty of it.

I don't even usually bet Graded Stakes Races, I just like to watch them (the KD was a major execption, one of only 3, the other 2 I lost). Seeing a horse like Lost in the Fog or Roses in May or my Favorate, or past fav, he recently retired, Ghostzapper is priceless. That's why everyone I take to the track to me, I make sure i do it on a day when it's a big race. I took my GF at the time with me to the Arkansas Derby when Afleet Alex won and she has been bugging me to go back ever sense. She used to laugh at me when I watched the horse racing channel, now she watches it when I am not in the room... or at least she did before I broke up with her.

Don't get me wrong, I like all races because there some good races at the lower classes (the best race I ever saw was like a 5,000 claimer at Calder, these two horses literarly went head to head full speed for a mile and a eight, in the slop.. I guess the other horses were like "damn I this is a good race" becuase no one ever challenged, one horse won by literarly, not even a nose, like half of a noise) , I mean, all Grade 1 winners and hroses in the KD are maidens at one point in time ( and I have gotten to the point where i can look at a horse in his maiden and tell if he is KD material... I saw Declan's Moon break his maiden and bought a KD future ticket for $20 I think the next day... and I still believe he would have won it if he wouldn' thave injuried himself... hasn't lost a race yet, ane beat the living crap out of the KD winner on a constant basis.

BUT, nothing is as graceful as watching the best hroses in the world go at it
 

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dark........

Hey,

I have not read all of this thread.....

but:

Rule # 1..........

Take no partners.......

Don't take my word for it..

Ask Ray Kroc (the founder of McDonalds)

He stated that the biggest mistake he ever made...

was..

Taking the two McDonald brothers as partners.

cave dweller
 
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