Since the topic of prostitution has come up...

[MatureDJ]

I am basically living out side of the USA, with its oppressive sexual laws. Sex for money is not considered as anything wrong, if done discretely. When sex only costs $40/hr, it doesn't seem like it's that big of a deal to pay. Sure, I date women "seriously", but I consider dating a pro as just a casual date in which instead of splurging for dinner, I just give it to her and splurge inside her.

 

[Warrior74]

Way to bump a thread from 2009, in which half of the people who posted in it don't post here anymore. Dumb Troll is Dumb.

 

[acw]

Dumb Troll is Dumb ? ? ?

Isn't that an "Oxymoron?"

bah ahahahhaha!

:rockon:

Way to bump a thread from 2009, in which half of the people who posted in it don't post here anymore. Dumb Troll is Dumb.

 

[zekko]

if you buy a chick a cup of coffee...and she agrees to Blow you...you just paid for Sex.

Sounds like a bargain to me.

When she finally trusted him she brought up sex and how much it would cost and then he busted her.

There was another story on how the guys would have "dress up" night where they can role play and try to convince hookers that they weren't cops. One cop who was Indian would put on a turban and the other clothes they wore. He'd then drive around in a Taxi and just pick up hookers and bust them.

He then showed a news segment of a lady copy poising as a hooker. Men would drive up to her and she would lean in. She'd ask what they wanted and give them a price for what they requested. Then she had the guy fallow her up to her hotel room. Once the guy got inside he was immediately arrested by two officers and had his hands bound by the zip tie cuffs. This kept happening over and over. At the end of the day there were about 30 men arrested.

The United States imprisons the largest percentage of its population of any country in the world.

 

[Lexington]

I've been thinking about this a bit more.

Like I mentioned in the previous post

When a guy is paying for sex *directly* (i.e. thru strippers, escorts) he is demonstrating low value in the girl's eyes.

When a guy pays for sex *indirectly* (thru the traditional dating route) he is demonstrating high value in the girl's eyes.




Now I agree that girls who go thru the traditional dating route to secure access to cash are simply in self-denial, to some extent they are wh0res as well.

But I think girls are RIGHT in assigning a higher value to a man who pays for sex INDIRECTLY. Think about it. A man who pays for sex directly usually has no patience, he has no self-control, he needs instant-gratification. This is a *weak* man, not a strong man.

Though I do find the shaming girls employ rather ridiculous. Some guys simply want access to sex in the cheapest way possible (in terms of money and time invested) and the most efficient way to do that is thru a prostitute. He could not care less that he is demonstrating low-value in the eyes of other girls. He simply does not care what others think. I do find that commendable.

I am not going to judge any guy who goes to prostitutes, however, I do still stand by the conviction that it weakens you, it weakens your self-control. And it does hurt your game with girls because subconsciously you are telling yourself that you cannot rely on your own charisma to pick up girls, you have to rely COMPLETELY on cold hard cash.

A lot of people who use the services of prostitutes would be considered high value individuals. Heidi Fleiss' clients included many Hollywood celebrities. Elliot Spitzer was the governor of New York. He was a guy with a huge amount of power and a lot of money. There are "escort services" that charge thousands of dollars an hour. The guys who can afford it aren't exactly deadbeat losers. Many of them already have hot wives/girlfriends.

I don't think that paying for a prostitute weakens your self control any more than eating at a restaurant weakens your self control. If I really wanted to, I could learn how to make myself a really good rib-eye steak. But I'd rather just pay to have someone make it for me. Sometimes, I just don't feel like cooking dinner and I'd rather just eat out. It's the same thing with a prostitute.

I don't have the money to afford a decent prostitute, but if I did I probably would make use of their services from time to time. Sometimes, a dude just wants to have dirty hot sex. Sure, I could try and seduce some really hot women. But it would be a lot easier to just pay for a 22-year old "HB10" who would service me exactly as I wanted when I wanted. She'd do all the freaky stuff I want her to do and then leave.

 

[Lexington]

LOL...talk about women seeing things through Rose colored Glasses....what's this talk about....bawahahaa.

Yes...you pay....Many are paying emotionally, spiritually and financially.

Bro....if you buy a chick a cup of coffee...and she agrees to Blow you...you just paid for Sex.

If you invite some chick to your pad..and you make her diner, not only did you pay for the food...you got owned by actually performing a domesticated duty doled out to housewife's when the USA was an industrial production giant (assuming you got laid)....and don't forget the time it took to prepare that food and the humiliation of wearing a Femine Garb like a Apron....(oh the shame).

Many Rich guys who frequent strip joints...are bangin those strippers (who rate in the high 9's and some even higher)...because money doesn't mean anything to them....its just a median of exchange. If they drop a few hundred on some HB because they want her Ass with no BS. Those guys are purchasing what is known on Wall Street as "a Commodity."

Lets get one thing straight....unless you are a Rock Star and gettin Puntang because some chick can tell her girlfriends "i banged Steven Tyler"....or a Porn Star....or on some special occasion you got laid because some chick was wasted at the annual Phi Beta Kappa national convention (which has happened to me on several occasions) and you were there, you're gonna pay one way or anther.

Why?....

Because...as a Male in the USA (and other westernized cultures ) you were brainwashed by the media and popular culture to lower yourself by letting women take control....Its Called being "puzzywiped"....Sorry Guys. (But hey....even the women have been brainwashed...so don't feel too bad)

Many of you choose (like females) to rationalize by saying "i don't pay for it" are ...No different that the prostitutes who rationalize what they do...or the dumb chicks who drop your ass because her new guy Guido is driving a 911 carrera and your ride is just gettin a little dated. But she doesn't see it as Social climbing...she calls your failed relationship "growing apart."

Sorry Guys.....i hate to be the one who burst your bubble...(sigh)...but you pay for it....rather you choose to believe it or not.

It's not only in Western cultures. In many cultures today it is common for the man to pay a dowry for a wife. In these cultures, the man basically provides for the woman in exchange for sex as sex is only seen as acceptable in the context of marriage. Heck, this was the norm even in Western societies until relatively recently in our history.

 

[Lexington]

My Human Sexuality class had an interesting set of guest speakers yesterday. We had a Vice Cop and an ex-prostitute.

The cop is actually friends with my professor so he talks at her class every semester. He often brings with him a former prostitute that for some reason helps does his talks.

The cop was a decent guy and he had some cool stories about how he and other members of his units used to arrest hookers. One story had him pick up a girl who quickly thought he was a cop. He tried to convince her he wasn't a cop so his goal was to get her to trust him. Somehow she ended up buying him some fast food and they had a conversation for about 40 minutes. When she finally trusted him she brought up sex and how much it would cost and then he busted her.

There was another story on how the guys would have "dress up" night where they can role play and try to convince hookers that they weren't cops. One cop who was Indian would put on a turban and the other clothes they wore. He'd then drive around in a Taxi and just pick up hookers and bust them.

He then showed a news segment of a lady copy poising as a hooker. Men would drive up to her and she would lean in. She'd ask what they wanted and give them a price for what they requested. Then she had the guy fallow her up to her hotel room. Once the guy got inside he was immediately arrested by two officers and had his hands bound by the zip tie cuffs. This kept happening over and over. At the end of the day there were about 30 men arrested.

The crazy thing is that all of those stories happened in my city of Long Beach. Apparently street walking is very prolific and in a area very close to where I live.

The hooker, Lisa that spoke looked very bad. Before the speakers came in, the professor who's ~42 told the class that Lisa was one year older than her. Lisa looked like she was in her 60's. She was a heroin addicted street walker. She started doing tricks to pay for her drug habit. She's been arrested about 12 times and several of those were from the cop who brought her.

There also was a little bit of talk on massage parlors and escort agencies. The focus was definitely on street walkers.

So in the end, the basic thing I learned is that; if you want to get laid, don't pick up a street walker

As Zekko alluded to, it's stuff like this that illustrates everything that is wrong with our criminal justice system. It's quite despicable that California actually spends more money on its prison system than it does on higher education! A huge chunk of the prison population is locked up for victimless crimes.

It is a massive waste of resources to go after, prosecute and incarcerate people who are committing victimless crimes. No matter what you think about prostitution, a woman who consensually exchanges sex for money is not harming anyone. A guy doing drugs isn't harming anyone but himself. Yet, we continue to spend billions upon billions going after these people.