Since the topic of prostitution has come up...

[wjh]

I thought I would share this for all the guys out there interested in what these working girls had to say.

http://lettersfromworkinggirls.blogspot.com

Pretty interesting stories with lots of detail.

As long as you keep perspective, I think there's a lot you can learn from these.

 

[Trader]

Obviously she did not *love* or *care about* any of her customers.

How could she?

When any guy pays directly for sex (i.e. thru escorts, strippers, etc) he automatically puts himself in the worst possible frame - he is automatically demonstrating low value.

Though what is interesting is that when a guy pays for sex *indirectly* thru the traditional dating route - in the girl's eyes he is demonstrating high-value.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

interesting read, thanks for the link.

My take away from that is you gotta aggressively and creatively test the girls you are with to make sure they meet your criteria. If they don't pass, they get nexted immediately. Those chumps were so desperately blinded by their for sex it's almost sad. Almost.

Self deception manifests itself in many forms. Beware.

 

[edger]

One girl say's:

"To this day, I look at housewives and girlfriends who don’t pay their own way and wonder if they realize they are prostitutes"

What I always say.

 

[edger]

When any guy pays directly for sex (i.e. thru escorts, strippers, etc) he automatically puts himself in the worst possible frame - he is automatically demonstrating low value.

Agree, I've always said that since I'm in high school, way before I got into the hobby of messing with escorts/prosties and frequenting strip clubs. I remember dissing guys who "paid for it". I remember talking to my friends when they would tell me about there strip club hiatuses. I'd tell them, "How could you PAY for a lap dance?". Now I'M the one doing all these things I used to criticize them about. Because I see how difficult it is out there, even being a good-looking guy with better than avg. game. Hey, think of it this way, isn't it better to go that route, than to go through life getting none at all? If you have to sacrfice your dignity, so be it. It sux, but what are you gonna do? Suffer? The game is very harsh. A guy can't sit there and go "undersexed" either(that's not healthy), as he has basic needs that need to be met like everybody else.

Though what is interesting is that when a guy pays for sex *indirectly* thru the traditional dating route - in the girl's eyes he is demonstrating high-value.

It's interesting, I know. It is no different from paying for a prostitute, but society is in denial and doesn't wanna see it that way, especially the women. They are in denial the most, when the truth of what it is, stares them right in the face. Remember what we always say about women, how they can't own up to things and how they believe their own lies?

 

[Hooligan Harry]

Controlling frames with *****s? You got to be kidding me guys.

These women are doing nothing but rationalising their base behaviour. How many of them admit to being in relationships? The odd thing is that most of those guys probably think they are "in control of the frame".

What about these fellas?

Flash-forward twenty-some years later. Divorced, mid-40s, single mom with two kids in a good career that just didn’t pay the bills. I started going to open mics with my poetry about my days as a hooker and met P. there. She, too, was an ex-hooker, and we became friends. In three years after my divorce, I ****ed fifty-seven guys (almost all one-night stands), and it felt like the most natural thing in the world. P. and I started doing a lot of sex worker activism together, and pretty soon all my girlfriends were either former or current hookers, strippers and porn actors. P. decided to start escorting again, even though she was in her 40s like me. She was making money hand over fist, and it took a few more years, but I decided to give it a shot. I made a contract for myself that included such things as, "I will stay sober," "I will process my experience with others," and "I will never sacrifice my safety for money."

I bet those 57 men thought they were in control of the frame too. They had GAME. They hit that **** and walked, while everyone else was "struggling".

They put a value to their bodies. The only concern is how much MONEY you have in your pocket, nothing else. Your values, character, personality strengths, even your looks mean nothing. The crazy thing is how many of those women go on to have relationships with men afterwards.

 

[Trader]

I've been thinking about this a bit more.

Like I mentioned in the previous post

When a guy is paying for sex *directly* (i.e. thru strippers, escorts) he is demonstrating low value in the girl's eyes.

When a guy pays for sex *indirectly* (thru the traditional dating route) he is demonstrating high value in the girl's eyes.

It's interesting, I know. It is no different from paying for a prostitute, but society is in denial and doesn't wanna see it that way, especially the women. They are in denial the most, when the truth of what it is, stares them right in the face. Remember what we always say about women, how they can't own up to things and how they believe their own lies?

Now I agree that girls who go thru the traditional dating route to secure access to cash are simply in self-denial, to some extent they are wh0res as well.

But I think girls are RIGHT in assigning a higher value to a man who pays for sex INDIRECTLY. Think about it. A man who pays for sex directly usually has no patience, he has no self-control, he needs instant-gratification. This is a *weak* man, not a strong man.

Though I do find the shaming girls employ rather ridiculous. Some guys simply want access to sex in the cheapest way possible (in terms of money and time invested) and the most efficient way to do that is thru a prostitute. He could not care less that he is demonstrating low-value in the eyes of other girls. He simply does not care what others think. I do find that commendable.

I am not going to judge any guy who goes to prostitutes, however, I do still stand by the conviction that it weakens you, it weakens your self-control. And it does hurt your game with girls because subconsciously you are telling yourself that you cannot rely on your own charisma to pick up girls, you have to rely COMPLETELY on cold hard cash.

 

[edger]

Though I do find the shaming girls employ rather ridiculous. Some guys simply want access to sex in the cheapest way possible (in terms of money and time invested) and the most efficient way to do that is thru a prostitute. He could not care less that he is demonstrating low-value in the eyes of other girls. He simply does not care what others think. I do find that commendable.

I am not going to judge any guy who goes to prostitutes, however, I do still stand by the conviction that it weakens you, it weakens your self-control. And it does hurt your game with girls because subconsciously you are telling yourself that you cannot rely on your own charisma to pick up girls, you have to rely COMPLETELY on cold hard cash.

Even if I was getting laid on a regular basis, I'd still use prostitutes, because I personally find it a huge turn-on that a woman will put out for any random guy, regardless of his looks, game, wealth, status, etc. I find that very hot.

 

[acw]

Lol....

LOL...talk about women seeing things through Rose colored Glasses....what's this talk about....bawahahaa.

Yes...you pay....Many are paying emotionally, spiritually and financially.

Bro....if you buy a chick a cup of coffee...and she agrees to Blow you...you just paid for Sex.

If you invite some chick to your pad..and you make her diner, not only did you pay for the food...you got owned by actually performing a domesticated duty doled out to housewife's when the USA was an industrial production giant (assuming you got laid)....and don't forget the time it took to prepare that food and the humiliation of wearing a Femine Garb like a Apron....(oh the shame).

Many Rich guys who frequent strip joints...are bangin those strippers (who rate in the high 9's and some even higher)...because money doesn't mean anything to them....its just a median of exchange. If they drop a few hundred on some HB because they want her Ass with no BS. Those guys are purchasing what is known on Wall Street as "a Commodity."

Lets get one thing straight....unless you are a Rock Star and gettin Puntang because some chick can tell her girlfriends "i banged Steven Tyler"....or a Porn Star....or on some special occasion you got laid because some chick was wasted at the annual Phi Beta Kappa national convention (which has happened to me on several occasions) and you were there, you're gonna pay one way or anther.

Why?....

Because...as a Male in the USA (and other westernized cultures ) you were brainwashed by the media and popular culture to lower yourself by letting women take control....Its Called being "puzzywiped"....Sorry Guys. (But hey....even the women have been brainwashed...so don't feel too bad)

Many of you choose (like females) to rationalize by saying "i don't pay for it" are ...No different that the prostitutes who rationalize what they do...or the dumb chicks who drop your ass because her new guy Guido is driving a 911 carrera and your ride is just gettin a little dated. But she doesn't see it as Social climbing...she calls your failed relationship "growing apart."

Sorry Guys.....i hate to be the one who burst your bubble...(sigh)...but you pay for it....rather you choose to believe it or not.

 

[STR8UP]

Because...as a Male in the USA (and other westernized cultures ) you were brainwashed by the media and popular culture to lower yourself by letting women take control....Its Called being "puzzywiped"....Sorry Guys. (But hey....even the women have been brainwashed...so don't feel too bad)

Many of you choose (like females) to rationalize by saying "i don't pay for it" are ...No different that the prostitutes who rationalize what they do...or the dumb chicks who drop your ass because her new guy Guido is driving a 911 carrera and your ride is just gettin a little dated. But she doesn't see it as Social climbing...she calls your failed relationship "growing apart."

Sorry Guys.....i hate to be the one who burst your bubble...(sigh)...but you pay for it....rather you choose to believe it or not.

You my friend....you GET it.

Just another example of how most people live in a delusional fog. It isn't pretty under the surface, but at least it's real. I feel bad for the people. I really do.

 

[Maxtro]

My Human Sexuality class had an interesting set of guest speakers yesterday. We had a Vice Cop and an ex-prostitute.

The cop is actually friends with my professor so he talks at her class every semester. He often brings with him a former prostitute that for some reason helps does his talks.

The cop was a decent guy and he had some cool stories about how he and other members of his units used to arrest hookers. One story had him pick up a girl who quickly thought he was a cop. He tried to convince her he wasn't a cop so his goal was to get her to trust him. Somehow she ended up buying him some fast food and they had a conversation for about 40 minutes. When she finally trusted him she brought up sex and how much it would cost and then he busted her.

There was another story on how the guys would have "dress up" night where they can role play and try to convince hookers that they weren't cops. One cop who was Indian would put on a turban and the other clothes they wore. He'd then drive around in a Taxi and just pick up hookers and bust them.

He then showed a news segment of a lady copy poising as a hooker. Men would drive up to her and she would lean in. She'd ask what they wanted and give them a price for what they requested. Then she had the guy fallow her up to her hotel room. Once the guy got inside he was immediately arrested by two officers and had his hands bound by the zip tie cuffs. This kept happening over and over. At the end of the day there were about 30 men arrested.

The crazy thing is that all of those stories happened in my city of Long Beach. Apparently street walking is very prolific and in a area very close to where I live.

The hooker, Lisa that spoke looked very bad. Before the speakers came in, the professor who's ~42 told the class that Lisa was one year older than her. Lisa looked like she was in her 60's. She was a heroin addicted street walker. She started doing tricks to pay for her drug habit. She's been arrested about 12 times and several of those were from the cop who brought her.

There also was a little bit of talk on massage parlors and escort agencies. The focus was definitely on street walkers.

So in the end, the basic thing I learned is that; if you want to get laid, don't pick up a street walker

 

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The hooker, Lisa that spoke looked very bad. Before the speakers came in, the professor who's ~42 told the class that Lisa was one year older than her. Lisa looked like she was in her 60's. She was a heroin addicted street walker. She started doing tricks to pay for her drug habit. She's been arrested about 12 times and several of those were from the cop who brought her.

There also was a little bit of talk on massage parlors and escort agencies. The focus was definitely on street walkers.

So in the end, the basic thing I learned is that; if you want to get laid, don't pick up a street walker

Yeah, streetwalkers are notorious for not being attractive. "Streetwalkers" are one group of prostitutes that I would NEVER touch. The typical streetwalker tends to look nasty and disgusting, and probably can't even speak properly. I don't know why any guy would use the services of a streetwalker when he could use beautiful looking escorts, or take a trip to Amsterdam and go the full nine yards with beautiful window girls for only 70 U.S. dollars per lady.

 

[Jitterbug]

Streetwalking in some countries, like Germany, is legal and they have some hotties doing that.

Interview with a hot German streetwalker (who also has a BF):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLIxDgO6Q4E&feature=sdig&et=1241948474.21

 

[Maxtro]

Yeah, streetwalkers are notorious for not being attractive. "Streetwalkers" are one group of prostitutes that I would NEVER touch. The typical streetwalker tends to look nasty and disgusting, and probably can't even speak properly. I don't know why any guy would use the services of a streetwalker when he could use beautiful looking escorts, or take a trip to Amsterdam and go the full nine yards with window girls for only 70 U.S. dollars per lady.

From my understanding it's because street walkers charge about half as much as the internet escorts. It may also be easier, almost like an impulse buy. Checking craigslist, the going rate for "full service" for 60 min is 250-300.

 

[edger]

From my understanding it's because street walkers charge about half as much as the internet escorts. It may also be easier, almost like an impulse buy. Checking craigslist, the going rate for "full service" for 60 min is 250-300.

Be careful with Craigslist. Craigslist is notorious for its police stings. If you're going to use an escort, I'd recommend www.Eros.com. Hotter women too. That's the site I've always used. Craigslist is the escort equivalent to "streetwalkers". You should check out a site called 'The Erotic Review'. A lot of your questions about escorts can be answered there, as well as legal advice on how to proceed without becoming a victim of police stings. There's like several different discussion boards on there. The website also features reviews of the women, this way before you decide to see her, you can see if she's worth the money. The fact that she's been reviewed can also tell you whether or not she's an undercover officer.

I don't know how true it is, but I've heard that even if there's no mention of money for sex, you can still be arrested, so be careful. I never knew this before. I don't do it anymore for this reason, that's why I've been making more frequent trips to Amsterdam(once a month) and frequenting strip clubs more often. I've heard conflicting reports on this though; some have said it's true, others have said it isn't. Talk to a Lawyer, that's my best advice. Biblebelt, who's studying to be a Lawyer, was actually one of the people who told me that you can still be arrested even if there's no mention of money for sex.

 

[Maxtro]

Back when I was doing hookers (over 4 years ago) I found them all though a site called SF Redbook. When I did my homework I found some great girls. Either way that chapter of my life is closed and I'm sticking with real girls.

You are right that money doesn't have to be involved for an arrest to be made. I forgot the term the cop used, but he said that exchanging sex for anything (goods or services) is illegal. In other words, if a girl says she'll sleep with you if you buy her dinner, it's prostitution. He even gave an example that if a girl says she'll give you a BJ if you drive her somewhere, even that counts as prostitution. So yes you or a girl can be arrested if she has sex with you because you helped her move.

What this actually means, is there are a ton of women who are hookers, and never knew it.

Edit: Typo's

 

[acw]

LOL...there ya go....If you take a chick out to diner and she offers a BJ....you just committed a crime....haha!

The "Truth is"...its an unwritten rule of expectation. You pay...and i'll give you some....(eh...Maybe?)....

;-)

Back when I was doing hookers (over 4 years ago) I found them all though a site called SF Redbook. When I did my homework I found some great girls. Either way that chapter of my life is closed and I'm sticking with real girls.

You are right that money doesn't have to be involved for an arrest to be made. I forgot the term the cop used, but he said that exchanging sex for anything (goods or services) is illegal. In other words, if a girl says she'll sleep with her if you buy her dinner, it's prostitution. He even gave an example that if a girl says she'll give you a BJ if you drive her somewhere, even that counts as prostitution. So yes you or a girl can be arrested if she has sex with you because you helped her move.

What this actually means, is there are a ton of women who are hookers, and never knew it.

 

[ProstitutesReally?]

Idiots

I just registered to leave a comment. As a woman who landed on this discussion page - I want you to know that I find your discussion offensive and both of you moronic. Misogynistic also comes to mind. Of course women find men who add to the stability of their family as high value - when they all act equally. You cannot compare prostitutes to paid by men for a service to women who have children and clean, cook and work - making contributions to a family household. As for you going to a prostitute because you can't get laid - well... maybe a shift in attitude of calling all women prostitutes would open some doors for you. And then quantifying your actions based on the level of sex worker you slept with. Really? And being experts on how dirty street prostitutes are. You have never been to where I live - the most beautiful young girls are runaways and they don't stay that way on the streets very long because the pimps get to them and pump them full of drugs and they get used up very quickly. To me it just sounds like you think ALL women are dirty and they were put on Earth to please you. It's going to be a very lonely journey for you and I sincerely hope you can change your ways. Just imagine how appalled your mothers or girlfriends would be to know you called them 'prostitutes.' Despicable.

 

[acw]

Hello Gloria Steinem!

...Can you tell us Why are mothers, Sisters, Wife's, GF's...Aren't Hoes?

What makes them different than the girl who walks the street for money or dances and hustles men for some off the books activity in the VIP room?

To me it just sounds like you think ALL women are dirty and they were put on Earth to please you. It's going to be a very lonely journey for you and I sincerely hope you can change your ways. Just imagine how appalled your mothers or girlfriends would be to know you called them 'prostitutes.' Despicable.

 

[typical]

I just registered to leave a comment. As a woman who landed on this discussion page - I want you to know that I find your discussion offensive and both of you moronic. Misogynistic also comes to mind. Of course women find men who add to the stability of their family as high value - when they all act equally. You cannot compare prostitutes to paid by men for a service to women who have children and clean, cook and work - making contributions to a family household. As for you going to a prostitute because you can't get laid - well... maybe a shift in attitude of calling all women prostitutes would open some doors for you. And then quantifying your actions based on the level of sex worker you slept with. Really? And being experts on how dirty street prostitutes are. You have never been to where I live - the most beautiful young girls are runaways and they don't stay that way on the streets very long because the pimps get to them and pump them full of drugs and they get used up very quickly. To me it just sounds like you think ALL women are dirty and they were put on Earth to please you. It's going to be a very lonely journey for you and I sincerely hope you can change your ways. Just imagine how appalled your mothers or girlfriends would be to know you called them 'prostitutes.' Despicable.

I would love to argue with you in real life but you would get all emotional and wouldn't be able to handle the logical smackdown I hand out. But then again your another person that just doesn't

................... "GET IT".