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dude you are not fooling anyone you are an emotional trainwreck. if i can see it on a freaking message forum you are damn sure that every woman you go out on a date with can sense it.


you need to get your priorities in order. I don't know enough about you to know what's wrong but something is wrong. until you address it you are going to keep crashing and burning.
 

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Im fine man. Really I am fine.

A few shots of whiskey eases the pain. I move forward.
 

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I know this thread will take a twist.

But it sucks because you wonder what this other person is giving to my ex that I'm not, whether it be money/looks/whatever. It makes you question a lot of things, including yourself as a person. Even if I am not fond of my ex in general, I would still think its stupid for her to be with someone new, you’d think "Why them?"

I know some dude on here will say something like shes getting a big 10 incher from the other dude or a really good f*ck now, etc. Save the stupid insults.

The reality is every guy has been crazy about some woman in his life, has been dumped at some point, and have had the same questions. Even I have been with a rebound girl and she told me she liked me because I was taller or I was more handsome, then her ex that she had dumped. It was never genital or sex related. But I felt bad for her ex boyfriend so I dumped her. She probably went back to him and the poor fool probably took her back.

Being in love is a hard thing to explain away.
 

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you need to get your priorities in order. I don't know enough about you to know what's wrong but something is wrong.
actually all you need to know is that he went on 50 dates this year and didn't close 1 deal. So yes there is something seriously wrong with him that's a huge amount of dates!

OP my only advice to you is to work on those issues that everybody has already talked about and CUT YOUR DATES A LITTLE SHORTER! You said you spent 5 hours on a date on your first post. You don't want to give yourself away on a first date that's a long time to spend on a first date.

I personally try to cut my first dates short I don't want them being that long. I always worry about revealing too much about myself and losing my aura of mystery. My perspective is that if I can get them on a 2nd date then I can close the deal. A 2nd date to me is them telling me I passed the test and now it's up to me to get in their pants so don't mess up :D

If they agree on a 2nd date I let 2nd dates go a little longer since we're both more comfortable after the ice breaker that was the first date. The first date i use for kino, leaving them wanting more etc. It's like an appetizer.
 

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latino158 said:
what can women really give you besides sex?
Dude...Maybe we need to think on a more mutual level when talking about what we want and what they want right? I mean...I don't know if I care to answer "What else can they offer?" or even have an opinion but when I read that I instantly wondered...

What about what WE have to offer THEM?

And the answer to that question is probably what will have them stick around for more than "1 daters". Well...That's just me.
 

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I have met a lot of women of dating sites. I'm goodlooking, normal, fun personality, dress very nice, nice teeth, talk show host type questions, kidding around, flirting, etc.
I meet hot women on dates after they see my photos so obviously I am handsome. Then when I meet them they tell me I look like my photos.

If this is the way you describe yourself, you need to work on yourself. So they see your picture and see that your handsome and when you take them out, you do in fact look like your picture. Congrats, you passed the FIRST test.

The problem is I cannot get them interested in me after the first date. I have gone through 50 women this year and all of them were "1 daters." I had a few lays in between. But the most part women ditch me after the first date.

They're speaking to you bro, if 50 women aren't interested, then get interesting. Nobody wants to go out on a date with a talk show host, unless of course they were an actual talk show host.

They love talking to me and feeling comfortable. They will even hang with me for 5 hours on a first date. But the result is always the same--goodbye and goodluck with a kiss on the cheek or a hug or maybe a kiss on the lips. Some have even turned their cheek when I went to kiss them. The ultimate insult. I would love to smack them in the face for the insult. Why waste my time?

Bro, you wasted their time. The only reason you would spend more then 5 hours with the girl on the first date is if the girl is the 'one', which even so you shouldn't do anyways. Try 1 hour or even shorter, cut it off at a high point.

If they do not find me attractive then why hang out with me for 5 hours on a first date? I sometimes will force myself to flirt with them early on in the date to detect interest and if its not there--I end the date quickly. I hate time wasters.

Just because you are good looking doesn't make you attractive, this is only the FIRST test, when you start talking you need to keep up the image that you 'Can talk the talk, and you can walk the walk' (Good looking and interesting). Why would you not try to detect interest right at the beginning every time? If they're interested and you spend 5 hours with them, I can only think that if they're not interested, you must spend 1 hour with them. Try if they're interested spend 1 hour with them, if they're not cut it shorter. You sound like they are the ones that control your time, wrong, you do.

I finally asked one woman a month ago after our 2nd date(luckily made it that far) why she lost interest? She said I was needy, controlling, and insecure. She came over and I cooked for her. Actually I never found her attractive--but wanted to get laid. I showed her photos an old house I grew up in that was later destroyed(sharing stuff with her), how is that insecure? I even wrestled with her on the floor and we kissed. How is that controlling? I cooked for myself and she thought I cooked for her. How is that needy?

Women aren't stupid. She was probably shocked or dumbfounded that you had photos of your old house that was destroyed, how does this translate to getting laid and how did you expect HER to feel? Women cook for their men, I believe that is what the stereotype is, don't go against it unless you're a chef and you know the way you cook will get you laid. It looks like you have a reason that you weren't any of those things that she said, however, they're more like excuses.

I think women are FULL OF THEMSELVES and have big egos. I think they are image conscious and want a handsome man to be around to make themselves feel good. Maybe I am not handsome and thats turning them off. They are just lying to me not to hurt my feelings. I cannot understand what I a doing wrong? So many ladies are slipping on by me. I used to get laid a lot. But nowadays when women meet me they have their arms folded. They dont flirt back when I flirt with them or they are just quiet or when I kiss them they turn their cheek. Maybe give them a challenge?
The last girl I had a date with we spent kissing on parking lot when it ended. Then she called me 3 times that night after date and I didnt answer her calls. Then i finally did on 3rd call. She said she had agreat time. I said lets meet again. She said ok! I texted her to say hi the next day. And she blows me off. I havent heard from her since. Flake! Im sick of the BS.
Any suggestions? Im ready to move to the woods and be a monk.

I know this thread will take a twist.

More like, now I will give you my problem

But it sucks because you wonder what this other person is giving to my ex that I'm not, whether it be money/looks/whatever. It makes you question a lot of things, including yourself as a person. Even if I am not fond of my ex in general, I would still think its stupid for her to be with someone new, you’d think "Why them?"

You are not over your ex, obviously. Now that you have broken up with her you think that since you had it once, it will be easy it get it again, wrong. I think that many times when a guy gets a girl he stops growing within himself and I believe that's what happened to you.

My advice: Take a break from dating. Become the MAN you want to be, no more focus on getting laid instead focus on having fun (enjoying yourself), CONTROL your urges. This should do you some good.
Better yet, read some Pook.
 

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maverick72 said:
I know this thread will take a twist.
I doubt it.

You seem to be more interested in venting your frustations and ranting, than acknowledging that 50 women having the same opinion indicate that you're the one who is not facing reality.

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"

There's no hint on your messages that you're willing to accept a different view so it's pointless to show everything you did wrong.

Good luck.
 

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Better yet, read some Pook.
Exactly.

Mav, more reading, more focus on self, more fun. less dates!
 

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@Jariel: Man I respect you alot, but you don't sound like your usual strong self. Remember that women can sense this.

And if you aren't having success with the girls you like (but you have success with others), you are probably too 'nice' to them. Not enough of a jerk, not enough of a 'I don't give a fuck' attitude.

Remember, this is a game. You must play it, no matter how much you like the girl and no matter how much she likes you. That can change in an instant. We live in a cruel world, so play the game and don't give a fuck :)
 

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HariPoter13 said:
@Jariel: Man I respect you alot, but you don't sound like your usual strong self. Remember that women can sense this.

And if you aren't having success with the girls you like (but you have success with others), you are probably too 'nice' to them. Not enough of a jerk, not enough of a 'I don't give a fuck' attitude.

Remember, this is a game. You must play it, no matter how much you like the girl and no matter how much she likes you. That can change in an instant. We live in a cruel world, so play the game and don't give a fuck :)
I needed to read that mate. I admit, since getting dumped just over a month ago, my game has not been on form. I've not wallowed and I moved on immediately, but maybe it's hit me on an unconscious level. I've been rejected 4 times since, but to be honest, I bored myself on those dates. No sexual tension, no real rapport or chemistry either.

I need to get back to being sexual as it's what works best for me. I may not be relationship material, but I do know how to arrouse and satisfy a woman. After reading this post, I decided to up the stakes with one of my prospects. She responded really well and we've been swapping photos all night, each getting more and more risque. We're meeting up next week and I'm going to focus completely on sex and just tap into my bad side.
 

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Jariel now you exactly how I feel. After a while the don juan techniques begin to lose their luster after a while. You just feel like you want to be in the game.

Do I want to be married? Yes
Do I want to use Don Juan techniques in order to get and keep a wife? hell no.
I wish my own personality was enough and it should be.

None of my best friends used don juan methods to get a wife or girlfriend and many of them are happy.

Finding a girlfriend is stressful. Dating many women is stressful.
It would be nice to kick off my shoes, sit on the ouch, watch football, eat nachos, chicken wings, drink beer and get a gut----not having to worry about what my girlfriend thinks. She can get fat too and get comfortable.

Thanks guys for all the input and I will use them. But I need to slow down and worry less about sex and more about them as a person. Control my time. be happy about other things other than women. Get a hobby such as hunting or fishing. Make something else(other than women) high priority. I think thats key. I need a rest from this as one poster said. I need a long rest without dating for a while.
 

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Jariel, after a while the don juan techniques start to lose their luster. Sometimes I bore myself and sabotage my own efforts with a date. I get lazy and stop using the don juan techniques. I know they are helpful, but I start relying on my own instincts and gratifications too much and I ruin a good date because I want sex too fast or don't want it at all. So I need to get back to the drawing board.

I also think the HB scale is about "perspective." For example, an HB9 can drop to a HB3 just by her quirky personality. I think Jennifer Aniston is a HB5 and others may think she is a HB8. People's perspectives are so different. I dated a HB9 a few years ago and everyone thought she was a HB6I was attracted to her so her looks when up in my eyes. What don juan tehcniques I use on a girl may work better for someone else--or worse. I guess it comes down to finding "the one." With about 100 soulmates out there in the world for me, its like playing craps in Las Vegas. You spin as many plates as you can (throw the dice) and play the numbers.

Do I want to be married someday? Yea.
Do I want to use Don Juan techniques in order to get and keep a wife? hell no.
I wish my own personality was enough to attract----as it should be.

None of my best friends used don juan methods to get a wife or girlfriend and many of them are happy.

It would be nice to come home, kick off my shoes, sit on the couch, watch football, eat nachos, chicken wings, pizza, drink beer and get a gut----not having to worry about what my girlfriend thinks of it. Or worry that she is going to ditch me for some hot guy because he is a smooth talker or has 6 pack abs. There is a thing called loyalty and love that is placed above looks and being slick. Self-esteem is the most important of them all.

Thanks guys for all the input. But I need to slow down and worry less about sex and more about other things. Get a hobby such as hunting or fishing. Make something else(other than women) high priority. I think thats key. I need a rest from this as one poster said. I need a rest without dating for a while.
 

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Maybe we're making the same mistakes Maverick. Maybe it's seeking a girlfriend and someone beyond 1 or two dates that's screwing our game.

Since things failed with the last woman I was seeing I have tried to change up my approach and portray myself more as a relationship guy. I've tried being more of a gentleman, tried being more serious and mature, but clearly it's not working to my benefit. I clearly need to get back to being more sexual because at least then it's more natural and I get something out of it.

In short, perhaps we're trying too hard to be something we are not in order to attract women.
 

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Society is messed up and women are more cruel then ever. It only gets harder as men get older.
I don't think there was don juan material on how to pick up women or be a don juan back in the 1950's.

Charlie Sheen just got a massive payout and yet he is a drug addict, porn addict, sex addict, does things his way and says what he wants. Woman to run if he wasn't rich and famous. But he probably still wouldn't care. It seems like the less you give, the less you care, and the less you act like a gentleman---the bigger the payoff. Charlie Sheen can be an a**hole when he doesn't get what he wants. He hits a woman if he gets no sex. He says nasty things directed at his boss on a nationally televised rant after he is fired and bascially tells him to f*ck himself, calls him ugly, and he sleeps with his ugly wife, etc.

I make more money now being a "jerk" then I was being an honest hardworking guy. It seems like the more I show contempt for life the GREATER THE REWARDS I receive. That applies to all living things--women, pets, jobs, bosses, things, you name it.

Im not advocating hitting a woman. Im basically advocating telling her off when she pisses you off. Or anyone. It works for me. I told my neighbor to stop making so much noise or there would be hell to pay. Then I filed a nasty letter and complaint. And he stopped making noise. I wasn't to nice him at all because I didn't give care. And now I have his respect. I get what I want.

I think life is set up that way. We are balls of energy and whatever energy we give out thats how people will respond. Niceness is not a strong energy. It is weak. Assertiveness is stronger. But anger is strongest. A lot of naysayers on here will say I am bitter or angry or whatever. They are entitled to an opinion.

When life starst throwing curve balls--wife cheats on her husband, you get something valuable stolen, you lose a job, or any negative event--enough is enough and you have to take a stand and SAY F*CK YOU. What do I have to lose? We all go into that box alone in the end and you take nothing with you.
 

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maverick72 said:
Society is messed up and women are more cruel then ever. It only gets harder as men get older.
I don't think there was don juan material on how to pick up women or be a don juan back in the 1950's.

Charlie Sheen just got a massive payout and yet he is living the life of a loser---that would cause any woman to run--if he wasn't rich and famous. It seems like the less you give, the less you care, and the less you act like a gentleman---the bigger the payoff. Charlie Sheen can be an a**hole when he doesn't get what he wants. He hits a woman if he gets no sex. He says nasty things directed at his boss on a nationally televised rant after he is fired and bascially tells him to f*ck himself and calls him ugly and sleeps with ugly wives.

Hell, I make more money now being a "jerk" then I was being an honest hardworking guy. It seems like the more I show contempt for life the GREATER THE REWARDS I receive. That applies to all living things--women, pets, jobs, bosses, things, you name it.

I can recall slapping a girl many years ago in middle school and the idiot girl wanted to date me. I was like wtf? Then when I am a comeplete gentleman--forget it--women walk on me and leave me with the bill and a kiss me on the cheek. INSULT. A criminal once said --Women are like dogs the more you beat them the more they love you."

Its just a womans nature. Im not advocating hitting a woman. Im basically advocating going off on here when she pisses you off. Or anyone. It works for me. I told my neighbor to stop making so much noise or there would be hell to pay. Then i filed a nasty letter and complaint. And he stopped making noise. I wasn't to nice him at all because I didn't give a f*ck. And now he respects me. I get what I want.

I think life is set up that way. You are balls off energy and whatever energy we give out thats how people will respond. Niceness is not the answer because people will take advantage of you. A lot of naysayers on here will say I am bitter or angry or whatever.

Im telling you that when you have cars stolen, girls taken from you, women walking on you, loss jobs--enough is enough and you have to take a stand and SAY F*CK YOU. Then load up arms and tell them what you really think of them. It works for me and I get results from it.

I am goign to start going back to my old ways of being a jerk with women and its closer to my nature anyway. Sick of the bs.
good god man you are something bad.


You remind me of the addict that walks in an AA meeting, and acts like he is the only motherfvcker there that has had to deal with some type of adversity and "no one here gets what i am talking about"

here is a newsflash man, YOU AREN'T THE ONLY DUDE HERE THAT HAS **** THROWN AT THEM. The **** you are talking about doesn't even register on the ****-o-meter compared to some what of us here have been through.

if you really want to figure out what is wrong, STFU, and read the entire DJ bible and listen and stop talking.


this post was written specifically for you

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16903
 

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It sounds like your personality and charm isn't attracting them, and you aren't good looking ENOUGH to make up for it.

A few years ago, I was king AFC. I would take women on dates for MORE than 5 hours; pay for everything; bore them to death; hang out every single day; and contact them non-stop. No game; no challenge; extreme pedestalization - the whole works. It was terrible.

Nevertheless, women always gave me several chances, because I "turned them on". They still wanted to date, but wanted me to slow down, and stop acting so insecure, clingy, and needy. Despite messing up over and over and over again, and eventually wanting nothing to do with me as a person - they still contacted me for sexual requests. That never changed. They always wanted sex, but never a relationship.

I also did not make ANY sexual advances - because I was too nervous, shy, gentle, and afraid to do so. There was absolutely nothing I did to make them wet, or get them in the mood to want sex. In fact, I shy'd away from the topic - even when THEY brought it up. They still wanted it.

These were all hot girls - 8s and 9s; a few 10s. They had options upon options, but still gave me chance after chance to stop acting like such a chump. I was also mean, bitter, and moody on top of this. All of the worst traits you can imagine in one package. But, I was always the one they couldn't stop thinking about - despite having NOTHING.

For you to not even get a second chance from ANY of these girls doesn't sound right. They probably think you're attractive, and give you a chance. But, when you turn them off with your personality - they don't find you physically attractive ENOUGH to pursue any further.

If a girl is really, really into you - she WILL contact you, give you multiple chances, put up with your AFC behavior, etc. You'd be surprised by how much they put up with. You can literally be the biggest idiot in the world.

Hot girls also have high standards, and lose interest in most people incredibly fast. If there's one thing you do wrong, and they're not into you - you're history. They have too many options to care about someone who doesn't turn them on.

Had a few of these, as well. These girls simply weren't attracted at all - I never had a chance to begin with. Whereas other girls gave me 10s of chances - these ones would reject me right away - for the dumbest reasons - and never gave it another thought. No calls, no responses, no nothing. Did get some rude behaviors, though.

Personally, I wouldn't even mess with hot girls if you want a genuine relationship. But, that's another topic.
 

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"A lot of naysayers on here will say I am bitter or angry or whatever. They are entitled to an opinion."
 
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Maverick72, your problem is simple: you care too much.

You strike me as someone who cares too much and you are very sensitive (that's the impression I get). Dating should be fun, if you're not enjoying it and it is making you angry, bitter and frustrated then maybe it is time to walk away from it and concentrate on other things? You have been on fifty first dates and women keep flaking on you. It's bound to annoy you. You say it's the women who are the problems and some people say it is you. I think you're all right. I think you are going after bog standard women and you're investing too much into the dating game and because you're getting little to nothing in return, you're annoyed about it.

I'd never invest 5 hours of my free time on a first date. A quick one or two hour coffee date at a local coffee shop is more than enough for a first date and if the girl thinks that's cheap, she can bore off and let some other chump take her out for dinner. I'm nobody's free meal ticket. That's the attitude I have, I don't care if a woman likes me or dislikes me, finds me attractive or doesn't find me attractive. If she says yes to a second date or no to a second date, it doesn't bother me. I'm just going with the flow. Though if a woman said to me that I was needy, controlling and insecure I would be thinking "damn I'm doing something wrong". Did you not ask her to elaborate when she said that? I would have done so, at least then you would get some kind of indication of what you're doing that's turning off the women.

Life is so much better when you don't take things too seriously. That's the major mistake you're making here from what I can see.
 

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As they say desparation is a stinky cologne. The problem is that your frame is all wrong, maverick.

Can women be conniving, manipualtive etc? Absolutely, are all women like this? No.

The key success is not being outcome dependent. That is to say you're getting agitated about what a girl you've just met thinks. The question is why?

The only people's opinion you should value is that of people you've known a long time who have given you opinions worth valuing i.e they've proved themselves to have valuable information.

I used to go a long dates and what I've learned is that I used to think that a girl was into me as I her and it's never the case. That's why you go on short dates to start so that the girl can experience you but also be left with some mystery. If a girl knows all about you after 5 hours why would she date you?

It's like watching a movie and knowing how the movie ends why bother buying tickets, right? Sure we know how must movies will end but we don't know for certain that's why we still go. Take Armageddon for example everyone and their mother knew how that money was going to end 2 minutes into it, yet it still made a lot of money because the exact details weren't known.


That's where you omit and stay mysterious so a woman doesn't know the details so she feels compelled to learn more and more about you.

You're not being evasive you're just not revealing the ending of the movie, the details, or even the entire plot.

The next time you go ona date spend the whole date asking her questions and try to reveal as little as possible about yourself. Odds are if you keep the date short under and hour and you talk with her at length but don't reveal a lot about yourself she'll be more than willing to go on a second date.
 
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