radio telecast talking about what is wrong with "the Secret"

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A radio teleseminar between motivational speakers talk about the positive message part of the secret brings. But they also think it's nothing new, preached forever in books and religion.

Brilliant marketing ,but so much of what the book says is mean(avoid looking at what you find unpleasent,ie,,, fat folks, burn victims, ect,rape victims and people in poor countries bring it upon themselves through realization), The law has absolutely no scientific proof, words taken out of context by Winston Churchill and others(proven with real exact quotes),so many things they point out that is just plain crazy talk.

http://www.kevinhogan.eu/
 

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any intelligent person knows "the secret' is bullshyte.
 

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God_of_getting_layed said:
any intelligent person knows "the secret' is bullshyte.
Its not bullsh!t.

Its simply rehashed and watered down info with special effects.


A beter source is : Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill.
 

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Call_Me_Daddy said:
Its not bullsh!t.

Its simply rehashed and watered down info with special effects.


A betTer source is : Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill.
I second that. With an extra T :)
 

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1. What makes Kevin Hogan the reigning authority on anything self help?
2. Hypnosis and Self Hypnosis ( although I have books on that, too, and have done it) is a questionable practice that not everyone believes, does that hurt his credibility?
3. Does constantly focusing on what doesn't work, and continuously being negative improve any situation or get you closer to what you want?
4. Is it mean to focus on the reality we all see to create, or, to constantly gripe on what's wrong?
5. Is it mean, or selfish, for each individual to live out their deepest desires? Would that in some way damage or disable society? Would it improve society, and life on earth?
6. Is Mr. Hogan's credibility in any way hurt by the way fact he's pitching a public speaking program, commenting on how "overpaid" he is, as if EVERYONE can do it? (By the way, this is something already done by Dan Kennedy, and a well known marketing guru Jay Abrams "MR X").
7. That's Hogan's beliefs, is that the only source for you making up your mind on something? Given that choice is the only true freedom we have, should it be the primary source for refuting information found in the secret or other books?

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I've read widely enough to know that few people ADD alot of information to the "human movement" or "positive" thinking community. Most of them are rehashes of each other, where they site Hill and the bible as their "mentors", though they've never physically or verbally received mentorship outside of reading their books. I'm sure Hogan makes alot of good points, and I'm not knocking anyone who finds him appealing. But I have don't agree with taking advice from anyone else but me. I listen to people, but then I make the final decision and live with it. If Hogan brought me down a new line of thinking, wonderful. Certainly, what I'd read prior to the Secret coalesced in that video. But you can't honestly find yourself credible, and then use this guy to refute the Secret, can you? lol.

It's funny to see what the guys speaking in this manner are actually attracting, or focusing on. The last dozen threads have been ways to use "gurus" to refute a movie...when I doubt there's many guys here who care what other guys think? Obviously my words have fallen on deaf ears, just as have your's. So what good does saying "this guru knows HIS SECRET, he can tell me why THE SECRET is BS, finally, I GET !" NO sir you don't...because using ONE guru, or ONE source to refute it, is just buying more snakeoil. You're as bad as the groupies of the secret. You need external sources to disprove something. "See, they said it's wrong, Kevin Hogan said it's wrong, that article said it's wrong, SO IT must be wrong!"

Whoopie. In order for me to BUY it's wrong, I not only have to disagree with Tracy, Canfield, Proctor, Waitely, Hicks, and more (whom I don't), but I also have to BUY your guru, and BUY your disrespectful and immature ways of making a point. Perhaps if there were guys who wanted to believe you...they won't, for the simple fact of how you go about doing it. But then again, I feel most guys have a different view of the secret, of the authors who were in the video, and the authors who precede the video. And before anyone says..."My life is happy, and I know what works for me," then why are you here? Why make countless posts against what people believe? Has it lead any guy/gal here astray, disillusioned, broke, or hurt? I doubt it.

It's the same strategy used by guys who say "This is how you pick up chicks," and then they proceed to tell you ALL the ways your way won't work...except it does work for you, and successfully. Many guru's within the dating community would find NLP, or Speed Seduction to be BS, but many use it, it gets results, and without any harm. Yet, the most commonly espoused TRICK is to be an AHOLE, to be a JERK. That's like the INTRODUCTORY class in going from AFC to lady killer. And yet...isn't that worse? At least the transformation Neil Strauss went through brought more joy and honesty to people's lives...than the immature AFC's who thought being a JERK would ultimately be better.

David D has made a killing off of a program that obviously incorporates ALOT of what's in the community and is already known, he just managed to put his perspective on it in an easy to follow program, entitling him to the profits (unless he did rip off Ross Jeffries).

Many positive thinking authors do the same. Even the SoSuave bible seeks to combine all of the best material, into one perspective, that's an easy to follow program.

The Secret did the same. It combined alot of different author's beliefs into one video. And unless people truly got screwed and it's way off base, then it's pretty accurate. In this day and age of litigation, whoever was MISREPRESENTED would be suing the pants off the book and author, given the money that is there, OR, writing their own statements and making a fortune in that direction. None have come forward yet.


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the secret was making ppl too positive, giving them too much hope.

someone had to inject a little negativity in there.



'secret' or not, thinking positively and being positive will make your life 100x better and more fulfilling.
 

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There is a lot of good in what is in the secret. But as Hogan,Lakhani and others have said it is nothing new.

But to say the LOA is law of the universe such as gravity is ridiculous they cannot prove it.

To say Beethoven and others have used it in the past and misquoting passages is questionable.

To say it works ALL the time for ALL people is questionable.

To imply people who live in Africa getting killed by rebels, living in drought,people who are endentured slaves in China, India brought it upon themselves. The whole region is just so negative is wrong. To think a child or a woman invited their own rape through realization, brutal beatings is wrong. Most kids think happy thoughts. Up to the age of 3 they live in a fantasy like state .You do not control everything that happens to you, especially what others can do unless you are able to control people too.

To say food does not make you fat, you thinking it makes you fat will,is BS. How can you explain those obese babies on Maury Povich. They don't even know what fat is yet. they're babies. Do you think they look at food and say, this will make me fat?The food is making them fat!

The secret says you bring on your own disease or bad health. Sure, you have to do all you can to take care of your health. But there are many genetic health problems that are passed onto people through no fault of their own. That's the reason it's dangerous to marry close family members.

I watched a show where this lovely woman had the only blind,deaf triplets in the world. Did she manifest this. She seemed like a very nice human being and very positive even with this situation.

I've known people who drink, do drugs,Ex: Anna Nicole Smith,Britney Spears, Courtney Love who have healthy kids. Should people like them have attracted the law and had a baby who was retarded or something?

There are a lot of things in "the Secret" that make no sense at all.

They did not have to add so much of the weird stuff to the book. As someone else said. Napolian Hill is a much better read and makes more sense.
 

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Also, if anyone listens to the Telecast, they will understand the people who did it are all Motivational speakers. They are very positive people. But theyfear people are taking the bad parts of the secret as Gospel and becoming selfish thinking everyone is manifesting their disease,poverty and brutality into their lives. They are even getting scared of looking at fat people in order to avoid getting fat.

And if anyone can explain why a hypochondriac does not attract his disease through the LOA I would be happy to hear it. A hypochondriac thinks he is sick, convinces himself and others of symptoms, wants badly to have the disease he thinks he has, yet cannot attract it. They are even willing to physically hurt themselves in order to manifest what they feel is wrong.

Meanwhile the original writer of the Secret is looking to sue Rhonda Byrnes. Why can't Rhonda use the LOA to stop all of this.
 

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ricorico said:
Why can't Rhonda use the LOA to stop all of this.
She can. She attracs herself "the dream team". Same dudes that got OJ off the hook.

She is all nice and friendly and positive, and the lawyers are extatic to work a case like this. Presto! Off the hook.


The LOA works. You just have to know how to apply it.
 

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ricorico said:
explain why a hypochondriac does not attract his disease through the LOA I would be happy to hear it.
That's easy. The don't attract the disease bocause you have to get the disease from something. Hewever, hypochondriacs do manifest the PHYSICAL SYMPTOMS of the disease they imagine. So even a doctor can misdiagnose them.

Thought manifests itself physically.

Genuine hypochondria is no laughing matter. It is a psychological illness that reputedly plagued Adolf Hitler, Charles Darwin and Hans Christian Andersen. However, it's quite possible to think yourself sick without being a real hypochondriac. Medical students do it all the time.

A 1999 article in studentBMJ (British Medical Journal) estimated that up to 80 percent of future doctors at some point imagine they are afflicted by diseases they study.

The power of suggestion can be powerful indeed. The difficulties of everyday life can too.

Troutman cites another study that showed between 75 percent and 80 percent of symptoms presented to primary care physicians have no physical cause. They are the result of mental stress.

A relatively new field of medicine called psychoneuroimmunology postulates that the conscious and unconscious minds are directly connected to the immune system and the autonomic nervous system, which regulates organ function and body temperature.

In other words, thoughts can afflict flesh. The red, itchy welts called hives are be caused by heat, exercise or an allergic reaction. They also can be triggered by emotional stress.
http://www.azcentral.com/health/wellness/articles/0125hypochondriac.html
 

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Some further explanation...

A few year's back, a 20-something year old girl was killed, and possibly raped in Boston. I believe she was from Cali, and was out at night. The details of the crime were such that, she went to a bar with several friends on a weekday night. Got fairly intoxicated, and then proceeded to leave the bar alone, at 2am or later. In the end, it turns out a bouncer had raped and killed her.

To be or not to be?

She did not DESERVE this...but let's find the "critical" mistakes she made that lead her to this unfortunate end.

1. It's dumb for a girl to be out late at night, ALONE.
2. It's even dumber for a girl to be out drinking, late at night, ALONE.
3. Unless a girl is with her BF, BROTHER, or FATHER, or other male family figure, I never count her as being safe while drinking. Many rapes occur because the male figure is someone she knows.
4. Drinking has become a social sport, akin to golf or fantasy baseball. I like my drinks, but people don't realize it causes death, diabetes, and many stupid decisions we wouldn't otherwise make sober.

Did she create her reality?

100% YES!

Even the radio newscasters, said as much, even though people were outraged. Why? I'd never let a sister, gf, mother, daughter, etc, etc do what this girl did. I'm always aware that there's precisely THAT chance of it happening. Look at what she put herself into? She was a pretty, intelligent, and apparently nice girl...and she's dead. Rhyme or reason? Take that up with God. Odds are damn good if a girl is out boozing without a pack of friends, something will happen. TV has people believing GOOD things happen all the time like Porn Stars on TV or playboy playmates...what they don't show are the countless abortions, children born out of wedlock, diseases, rapes, and murders because of situations like THIS that INVITE such outcomes. Attraction? Yes, because she allowed all the elements of a bad situation to arise to come together, and she just happened to be the 1 in 10 chance who was unlucky. Was I sad? Yes. Did I feel bad? Not really, because she CHOSE, and MANY choices lead to that bad outcome.

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As far as good food goes...it's not what it used to be. Most is engineered, and if you don't specifically grow it, odds are it was given some growth hormones, toxic pesticides, or whatever else is all over your salad, beef or fish that makes it more profitable for the companies. Thinking Fat? Yes. It makes you fat. Calories make you fat. Inactivity makes you fat. Where you get this point, I don't know. But a person who never believes they can be thing, or what thin is, or active, never will even try. Remember henry ford?

"Whether you think you can or you can't, you are right."

Extrapolate what you will from it, logic or LOA.

As I mentioned, LOA was around LONG before The Secret, The Secret just provided a different and more profitable spin on it. Years ago a book was written by Michael Losier, an NLP practitioner from Canada, called "The Law of Attraction." In it, he has a person go through what they're saying, believing, and actually wanting, and compare that to what they're getting. It's a very real exercise, with real results. When people examine what they say on a daily basis, what they think on a daily basis, and what they feel on a daily basis, they'll notice hardly anyone ACTUALLY works on the specific outcome they want.

It's entirely possible people in these depressed countries are so INGRAINED into their chosen realities, that they can't accept anything different. It's like...being born in the matrix, and not know anything else exists. They're so low on Maslow's hierarchy of needs, that just getting food and medicine is MORE important, such that "thinking" wealth, health and freedom is like imaging anyone here will be Bill Gates or the President tomorrow. What's going on overseas is a complex situation, one that can't be easily defined by any system. We could harp on the war and how much that's costing, and debate whether it has merit...but let me ask...for who is such a war making the world a better place? The belief is everyone, but in the process we kill a few people who are innocent to make OUR greedy lives better...and here people in the US complain about life. Even life at poverty is apparently BETTER than what it is internationally, wouldn't you agree?

So if people stepped up HERE, stopped complaining, appreciated the "matrix" they have here, and made it the BEST they could...don't you think the whole world would change?

A wise seer once said..."You can carpet the whole world, but it's easier to put on your own slippers."

Meaning...it's easier to care for yourself, because that's one less person feeding off everyone else. That's one MORE person who can contribute to moving humanity. That's one more person who puts POSITIVE thought in, instead of ADDING negative thought to the batch. That's one more person who if he/she wanted...could donate money or time. Yet, if you're in poverty yourself, emotionally, physically, financially, then you're just a leech, too. We need more FISHERS, not people begging for FISH.

If you'd read "Ask and It is Given", you'd see you can't create in anyone else's reality. You don't need to read the book to get why you can't "wish" away poverty and give everyone unlimited wealth and happiness. That's common sense. No person responding here has created or shaken my reality, hence the stalwart posts. I'm willing to read, listen, and respond, but not necessarily alter. LOA would require a WORLDWIDE effort, but yet, time and time again, more people are their own worst enemies.

Women will pick or fvck the wrong guy.
People make the same dumb financial mistakes.
Other people drunk drive.

I don't feel bad for humanity, because humanity doesn't feel bad for me. I care for me, and respect people based on their virtues, not their vices.

I had a buddy who just lost his license because he refused a breathilizer test. LOA baby. Not only was he driving home at 3am from Boston after work, but he also drank enough to blow cost to the legal limit. He put himself IN THAT situation, he was speeding at about 80-85 on a Friday night. That's the perfect alignment to get nabbed. DO I feel bad? Not really. In the land of the free, and the home of the brave, of the all the dumb things we choose to do, we drink and endanger our lives and other peoples? Come on. Nobody can say they appreciate the fact we have heat, hot and cold water, electricity, light at the flip of a switch, our friends, our family, our loved ones, breathing, walking, running, lifting, seeing, sight, hearing. Nobody. Being selfish and researching LOA doesn't mean you exclude other people...or hurt other people...you don't create or damage other people's realities WITHOUT THEIR CHOOSING. It means you care for you and appreciate your own existence, the bliss of simplicity. People pay THOUSANDS of dollars to live more simply on vacations, and they run like rabbits on treadmills in big cities, driving gas guzzling cars to get more of what they actually want...more love, better looks, a simpler way of life, relaxation. They take the long, hard, painful road, when what they want is right before them. If you want to do it, do it. But accepting a 150k a year job, to be MORE free is a convulted way of creating freedom, when you'll probably have to work 12 hours a day just to have the money to have the illusion of freedom.

Even the Bible and world religions haven't accounted for crises. Political leaders play chess games on a global scale because people don't truly stand up and demand a better, perhaps more humane reality. LOA isn't a religion, as much as everyone appears to paint it out to be. It's a thought system, that even has ties to why and how people use SoSuave. It's interwoven in all books dating back to Think and Grow Rich, and possibly earlier. Yet, in the end...nobody can tell you what reality is...if that were so, the greatest of the greats, and the lowest of the lows wouldn't be who they are. Because ultimately THEY CHOSE what they wanted, got it, regardless of what people said. So what effect will Kevin Hogan, an article, or a bunch of guys here to pick up chicks have on anyone's reality that actually wants to make their life as they see fit with any beliefs that get them there???


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We are talking hypochondiacs causing disease such as cancer and heart problems. My grandfather is the biggest hypochondriac ever. I wrote about that in the past. Guy is 82 years old and has never spent 1 day in the hopsital,but insist there is something wrong and the doctors are not seeing it. It is so bad most of his doctors get sick of his constant calls and refuse him as a patient. My mother says he was always like that. He is sworn he had Pneumonia, numerous times will make them take him to the hospital because he is having a heart attack ect. Meanwwhile one of our most postive Bhuddist friends who'se parents are also Bhuddist is dying of cancer. It went into remission for awhile. Now it's back full force. This is a girl who was running and living her life with a smile through Chemo. The last person I would think would die through manifesting her own ill health.

Also how about genetics. Many physical problems are genetic.

If someone drives drunk and gets a ticket that may be LOA. But how many of us know people who drive drunk or use drugs and never get caught? It's the law of averages. I've gotten stopped before. Young guy with a nice car makes cope suspicious sometimes. Would'nt even give me a reason for the stop. It's just becase. But I did'nt get a ticket. Because I was not drunk or high like the cop suspected a young guy may be. easy ticket driving drunk in the middle of the night.Few cars out and cops know usually,people are out there drinking at that time.

I only got 1 ticket which some Dyke cop gave me one for driving 63 in a 55 MPH zone. That's ridiculous but the bit** was having a bad day and she must have been trying to make quota as I sure as hell was not even thinking I could possibly get a ticket.

I belive in positive thinking and realization. But the Secret ain't for me. Preffer Napoleon Hill "Think and grow rich" It makes much more sense to me anyway.
 

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If someone drives drunk and gets a ticket that may be LOA. But how many of us know people who drive drunk or use drugs and never get caught? It's the law of average. I've gotten stopped before. Young guy with a nice car makes cope suspicious sometimes. Would'nt even give me a reason for the stop. It's just becase. But I haven't gotten a ticket. Only 1 when some Dyke cop gave me one for driving 63 in a 55 MPH zone. That['s ridiculous but the bit** was having a bad day.
Dude. It doesn't apply to everything always.

Just to most things, most of the time. There are exceptions to every single thing. Even gravity.
 

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LOA works everytime according to the movie. Otherwise it's called the Law of averages.

Now when does the law of gravity not work???


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At the risk of belaboring the point, the definition of a 'law' is that it is something that works all the time, everytime and in every place.

For example: The 'law of gravity' works every time we toss a ball or anything upward, it must come down.
 

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ricorico said:
LOA works everytime according to the movie. Otherwise it's called the Law of averages.
You're taking the movie at face value. Tell me, were the presenters also floating in outer space? They had the weird backdrops whenever they gave a monologue. Maybe they went to purgatory for the duration of filming.

Now when does the law of gravity not work???
Its called the THEORY of gravity. And one exception is very high mangetic fields. Causes all sorts of weird anomalies.
 

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Magnetic fields may cause some things to float, like the MAGLEV trains, but that's no more defying gravity than an airplane.
 

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Magnetic fields may cause some things to float, like the MAGLEV trains, but that's no more defying gravity than an airplane.
Methods to simulate variable strength gravity environments appeal to biologists and physicists researching how single biological cells are able to sense and transduce the very weak forces of gravity. Our simulation approach employs magnetic forces that can be directed to pull in tandem with gravity’s forces to create enhanced gravity or to push in opposition to gravity to create weakened and even inverted gravity These strong magnetic forces are generated by intense inhomogeneous magnetic fields such as those available at the National High Magnetic Field Laboratory acting on the diamagnetic materials naturally present in cells. The direction and the magnitude of the magnetic forces are easily controllable.
http://www.aps.org/meetings/march/v...ficial_Gravity_Chamber_for_Microorganisms.pdf


We're talking about high magnetic fields here. The stuff that powers the Maglev is weak in comparison.
 

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I'm saving my energy for my scathing review, which is coming along swimmingly, but in the meantime I wish to point out the satirical essay "Warning: Gravity is 'Only a Theory'" by Ellery Schempp which most coincidentally has a most particular three-word phrase appear within the first 28 words...

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Gravity is only a theory. Just like electricity and just like evolution. Just like the entire field of chemistry.




It is called this because in Science a law has a mathematical form. Have you heard of Ohm's law? The ideal gas law?

All of these are names for equations. An equation is labelled as a law. Example;

Ohm's law: V = IR Where V is voltage, I is current and R is resistance measured in Ohms (symbol is omega).
 
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