zekko said:
Here's what I don't get, why is this even an issue? This goes back to the whole tendency of the pickup community to "blame the AFCs" for their problems with women.
If what this site says is true, women don't want to be worshipped, and they aren't attracted to AFCs or the guys who worship them. This is about as fundamental as you can get. If there are a bunch of guys acting AFC with her, shouldn't that make it all the easier for you to come in and behave like a real man and swoop her up? Aren't they supposed to find that irresistable?
I like you becuase unlike the vast majority of posters you make me think.
I see your point but you are missing mine.
Look i never said that the guys were serious compeition.
let me use a real life example. in fact, **** i can use the same girl. the girl who brought me here, her name is kat, well that's short for something else. when i met her, we didn't have cell phones really back then, in 1999. i dated her friend, but i was really attracted to her, and once her friend broke up with me i made a play torwards her. And while i eventually got AFCed, that was because of my actions. she was in retrospect, quite attracted to me. i just fvcked up the little window of opportunity i had. and when i say this girl is ass licking hot, it doesn't begin to describe. even living in LA she would stand out now and this is in Arkansas lol. but she showed guanine interest. we kissed, she would pick me up in her dad's convertible and we would go joy riding. she was torn becuase i dated her firend for a little bit but her friend cheated on me so we kinda got over that. despite her being very attractive, she was a real woman, she was very approachable she called me, 3 4 times a day, she showed guanine interest. now, i didn't actually think i had a chance with this girl and my non give a **** attitude because of it, i was just kicking it and then when we kissed and i knew she liked me i froze like a criminal with a flash light on him and i was scared to do antying. i think back sometimes that one night had i acted differently my entire life path would have been differently, for better or for worse i don't know but it would have defiantly been different.
anyway, this same girl, circa 2006, right about the time facebook got really really hot. by then we have both grown up. she is just 2 and a half months younger than me so we are about the same age. she had went to college, actually no at that time she was still in college, i had sold my business, at the time i was about a year clean off drugs, we had done the LJBF thing, we flirted, we had a 2 year break from each other in there. but around 2006, she started showing serious interest, non mistakable interest. spending the night, actually getting jealous of other girls i was dating, asking me what i thought of her and what not, we would wind out quasi dating for a few months before i moved to cali. but i say this to say, to say that now, even though i had actually made something of my self, was in better shape, looked better, dressed better, actually had some game now, and was really starting to understand the game right about this time, and despite the fact that she was now 23 years old not 17 and while she was still very hot, she wasn't 17 anymore ... she put up more barriers and bull **** then she did 6 years ago.
6 years ago there was about a week period that in retrospect had i payed my cards right she was there for the taking. showing up at my job to bring me lunch, **** calling me at my work number, having me sneak her out the house at night so we can go for walks, she was into me and i blew it but, she made it pretty clear she liked me and wanted me to make a hard move.
here i am now, in 2006, and even though she is really into me, she thinks she is better **** than she was in 1999 because all these guys on facebook and she has mysapce back in 2006 mysapce was really facebooks equal and she's got all these friends and talking back and forth with them and all these dudes are asking her out and and now everyone knows what she is always doing at all times and she constantly has these chumps (like i was for 6 years) take her out to eat and ****. she's the type of pretty that guys don't even really try to game her in real life becuase they know they don't have a shot so once you get to notice her, she knows she is attractive but her self esteem isn't what you think it would be at all once you actually get pass the looks. But by the time of the internet and the low risk high reward setup of internet dating, she had guys talking to her constantly. what's the harm in trying to game a hot girl over the internet so what if she does not respond. she would spend hours on facebook/myspace a day.
lol it's like BASF. it didn't create the game it just made the game harder. now she thinks she's hotter than she is and more valuable than she is (and at the time, and hell even now she's a serious head turner but i mean, she's not my equal as far as status and vaule goes). j
what i am getting at is despite me being more value then she is, i had to work my ass off to get her just to be a plate lol, to only figure out after a few months that i wasted 6 years of my life because after i fvcked her a few times i really didn't want anything to do with her romantically she wasn't worth the effort.
so no. if i want a girl i really could give a **** who else wants her I am confident in my game and what i bring to the table. but that does not mean that she comprehends my vaule and hers correctly thus making the game harder than it has to be. like today at the game, there was this girl, little cute white girl, very skinny and one of the only girls that i actually looked at that had a reassemble of a figure without being fat. now, i am quite sure if i were not married and is aw her in the right environment, i could game her and get her to go out with me. but it would be much harder than it should be because of all the guys she had hanging off the arm, she now thinks she's my equal when in reality she's not.
when i lived in the drug rehab place, again this is pre facebook/myspace, for a few months the hottest girl there was a 19 year old who was just.. that body good god. she had lost like 60 pounds and she was now 5'5 115 those curves good lord. she was a waitress at a cheap mexican resturant. she bascially, i am not going to say i had NO compeition becuase there was another guy she had the hots for as well but, lol that's another post. long story short he fvcked around and got re arrested lol. i mean she paid me attention before he got arrested but afterwards i mean she was giving me air traffic control singles, hey i like you. going bowling with me. i called her one night she was on, we had these little weekend passes where we could go home and i called her one saturday night and she came back to kick it with me on her week off lol. and this girl was HOT. she was a waitress.
about 3 months before i met my wife, in 2007, i met a waitress in LA, at some hole in the wall mexican restaurant.. what can i say i like mexican food lol. i gamed her. and she liked kicking ith wme but i mean she is flaking out on me and the entire time we are together she's on her cell phone and sending text messages and **** and i mean i'm competing with some dudes, lol that she works with over a freaking waitress? are you fvcking seirous? i mean, honestly she liked me, but, i was honestly just so insulted by the fact that she was playing me with guys at her job i told myself she was too stupid to date. pre internet/ facebook friends/myspace buddies whatever she would have been on my **** she had ebola and it had the vaccine.
edit: that, is something that is seriously changed. gone are the girls that are so hot that guys don't approach them or talk to them. I knew a few of them in the 90's this girl being one of them. I ended up going on a few dates with our high school's homecoming queen when I was 21 and she was the same way, drop dead georgous and so hot and smart that guys just didn't try. I tried and she was actually quite excited to go out on a date with me. i just caught her at hte wrong time she had an ex of a few years and there were still feelings there and I moved on but she really like dme and i was actually suprised as i sat by her in class for 6 years and jacked off too many times only hoping and all i had to do was ask lol. i mean you just knew she wouldn't be interested or she had some stud somewhere. she was attractive enough and classy enough to attract the best of the best. think Dominque Flacon without the intelligence lol. But in 2012, any girl that is that hot, has 1000 facebook friends, has 500 people following her on twitter. she not only knows she is hot **** she thinks she is worth more than what she is. And that's not even including dating sites. i used to make a living scraping out those girls who were very hot but guys did not really try to talk to them lol. that entire niche is just gone