technically, if you don't have success with women you re not a pua, you re a pua-in-training at best. So the real PUAs get as many women as "naturals", maybe even more. The big difference, which a lot of pple pointed out, is that a pua is conscious all the time of what he s doing. So the only problem i ve seen with naturals is when they re out of the game for a long time (2-3 years in a LTR) and they try to get back in it. they have no practice and they can't bring all of their old game back whereas a PUA who gets out of a relationship knows exactly how to start things off again