Playing online poker

[G0gL2000]

Im thinking about playing online poker, im fairly good.

But one thing I have been wondering about (this question directed to experienced online poker players), is it possible to skip the blinds? I know there is a "sit out" option when sitting at a table. Im wondering if the online poker rooms disallow you to skip blinds, ie. where you choose to sit out when your at the big blind or small blind, and then when your on a non-blind position, you join in and play for a few games, and then when your back at a blind position, you sit out again. and repat this over and over so you dont pay blinds. Thus your skipping blinds. Is this allowed? is this considered cheating? Are the rules set up so that you are forced to play blind positions before you get dealt a hand to prevent this possible form of cheating?

Anyone with online poker experience know? Im thinking about trying this.

 

[ryan killa]

Lmao. You will never make it in online poker, trust me. Joke, right?

 

[KillaCam]

Lmao. You will never make it in online poker, trust me. Joke, right?

Wow man, yeah, no one ever makes it in online poker. Every person fails, honest!

Edit - Sarcasm. I'm never too entirely sure of the intellegence level around.

 

[G0gL2000]

Im not asking you guys if Ill be able to make big bucks in online poker, Im asking about a simple fact about the game procedure. Is it possible in online poker to exploit the "sit out" option, so that I dont have to ever post blinds? ie always sit out on a blind position, otherwise play.

Soing so would allow me to make some money by keeping my blinds. And I think would actually be considered cheating.

I want to know if the online poker sites have already forseen this idea, and fixed the poker games so that you always have to post a blind before you can play no matter your position on the table. Anyone experienced with online poker will know the answer to this question.

 

[S1NN3R]

Your first hand on the table, you must post a blind to play. If you sit out and wait for the blind to pass you up, you have to blind in on the next hand. Every site that I've been to operates that way. If everybody could pass up the blinds, there would be very little action going on.

And what I think the first guy was trying to say is that if you're such a crappy poker player that saving blinds is a big concern to you, then you probably shouldn't be playing.

 

[manuva]

And what I think the first guy was trying to say is that if you're such a crappy poker player that saving blinds is a big concern to you, then you probably shouldn't be playing.

Agreed.

And if you don't know the basic format of poker - ie the rules of blinds - then I'd suggest you don't know enough about poker to make money.

Blinds are part of poker, and provide opportunities within themselves.

Maybe you should learn a little about the game before "making big dollars online."

 

[S1NN3R]

Exactly, the blind structure is one of the most basic elements in poker. If you don't understand it, that means you've probably never played organized games, and if you've only played with buddies on Saturday nights, you're in for a rude awakening when you start to go up against people who play everyday.

Probably the best thing for a rank amateur to do is to go to Pokerstars, download the client, and hit up the play money tables for a while. Go to the 5/10 tables and play until you get 10-15k in chips, then move up to the 100/200 tables. Then play until you can double up once out of every three times you play. When you have 500k in chips (which takes some skill considering you start with 1k), then move on to the real money tables.

 

[G0gL2000]

well, Im not in for a rude awakening, I perfectly understand the rules of poker, and as I said before, Im fairly good. THe whole point of this thread was for me to find out if the poker sites have their games fixed so you cant exploit the "sit out" option and thus skip blinds and save some money. Hell I understand the structure so well, the idea of skipping blinds to save money was obvious to me! Not everyone would have been aware of this right away, especially if you didnt know what the hell blinds were!. Most people are too busy thinking about how to exploit their opponents weakenesses rather than ways exploit a weakness in the poker rules system.

I know the blinds are the small blind and the big blind, which are right after the dealer button; the only 2 positions where you need to post a blind. If your not sitting in those positions relative to the dealer button, then you should not have to post a blind; becuase your not in the sb or BB position!
So in theory, if your allowed to sit out and join in at will, you could sit out untill the blind positions pass you. You would only be playing in non-blind positions. according to sinner, the poker sites have forseen this idea, and force you to post a blind for your first hand requardless of the table position; THATS SO FVCKED UP! THEYRE CHANGING THE RULES OF POKER BASICALLY!
your paying money before you see your first a hand; this is called posting a blind, and theyre making you do it reguardless of table position only becuase its your first hand in the given room. WTF??!!!!:cuss:

You should only post blinds if your at a blind position, who cares if its ytour first hand in the room, and who cares if playing by the true rules would allow people like me to skip blinds and make the games boring! :box:

 

[S1NN3R]

They're not changing the rules of poker. They're instating rules that need to be there to keep people like you from exploiting "loopholes". If you didn't have to pay the blinds out of position EVER, then no one would sit through the blinds, everone would sit out or fold every hand until they got AA in the pocket. They work it into the system because that's the only way of policing it to make sure that people don't just dance from table to table to keep from playing the blinds. Try sitting out blind positions or jumping tables at a real casino and see what happens, or rather, see how long until they ask you to leave..

Speaking of casinos, what casinos do you play at that you know how well you'll do against other people in an organised setting? Where have you been practicing?

 

[manuva]

You can't see free cards. When you join a table you must post a blind before you can receive cards. Whether you wait at the table (without being dealt cards) until the big blind comes to you, or whether you post a forced blind straight away to start receiving cards is entirely up to you. The end result is the same - you will not be dealt cards until you have posted a blind.

I can't understand how you think you're good at poker yet you don't know the basic rules??

 

[G0gL2000]

You can't see free cards. When you join a table you must post a blind before you can receive cards. Whether you wait at the table (without being dealt cards) until the big blind comes to you, or whether you post a forced blind straight away to start receiving cards is entirely up to you. The end result is the same - you will not be dealt cards until you have posted a blind.

I can't understand how you think you're good at poker yet you don't know the basic rules??

I perfectly understand the rules of poker man! :cuss:

-if you are at the blind positions (sb or BB), you must post a blind before recieving cards.

-if you are NOT at a blind position, you can see your hole cards for free.

I perfectly understand this rule!!!! what makes you think I dont!? Its becuase of my perfect understanding that I see the "loophole" that can be exploited in these rules if you are given the chance to "sit out" at will.

in online poker, the rules have been changed according to sinner. they go like this:

-If it is your first hand in the poker room, reguardless of position relative to dealer button, you must post a blind before seeing your first hand.
-if it is not your fisrt hand, you only have to post a blindif you are at the SB or BB, otherwise, it is free to see your hole cards.

THese are not the rules for standard poker, these are partypoker.com or who ever else's modification of the standard rules to prevent people like me from exploiting loopholes. In principle, skipping blinds is perfectly legal according to standard rules in a poker game where sitting out is an option. But is it ethical or considerate? probably not. This is why the online poker sites have in fact modified the standard rules to make such behavior illegal. SO yes, the rules are different for online poker and how texas hold em hold em was orriginally to be played. in the original pure standard rules of poker, you only post blinds at a blind position!!!! if you are not at a blind position, it is supposed to be free to see your hole cards, EVEN IF IT IS YOURE FISRT HAND! <---partypoker and online sites have changed this rule so that your always post blinds if its your 1st hand in the room independant of position relative to dealer button. <---this is not how poker is supposed to be played. Real poker has the loophole in it that I speak of, theyre just changing the rules to close this loophole!!!

And btw, If played poker at bars with people. I know Im fairly good.

I have another question: I now understand that poker rooms require you to post a blind for your 1st hand. But what about after that? Once Ive played my 1st hand, this rule no longer appliess? meaning I can in fact sit out and join back in just to skip blinds? Im asking if 'after first hand, payments for blinds are only made at blind positions, even if you choose to sit out and join back in, no 1st hand payments are required, becuase youve already completed your \fisrt hand.,' <--true? OR is it any time you sit out, and join back in, you have to post blinds again reguardless of position? If so then its still possible to skip blinds as long as youve already payed for your first hand.

 

[nic]

why you want to skip blinds? i call that cheating.

you can sit out "for free" as long as the blinds didnt pass your position. you win nothing by sitting out

 

[S1NN3R]

I perfectly understand this rule!!!! what makes you think I dont!? Its becuase of my perfect understanding that I see the "loophole" that can be exploited in these rules if you are given the chance to "sit out" at will.

You obviously don't understand basic casino poker rules. They want you to pay the blinds. Plenty of casinos have this same rule, where you must blind in on your first hand and any subequent hands where you have missed the blind positions. Most of them don't because they will watch you and if you sit out the blinds everytime, they will ask you to leave in a hurry, that or every other player at the table will gang up on you and make it hard for you to play. Online sites have simply had to make a specific rules to do the same thing that the casinos prevent you from doing. They are not rewriting the rules, they're specifying rules to enfore somthing that would otherwise be unenforceable to them. At a casino, if you sit down in a position after the button and play until you're the next blind then get up and leave to go to another table to do the same thing, you will very quickly be introduced to the back stairwell at the casino. If you sit out every blind every time, you WILL be told it's time to leave, right now. Casinos don't have loopholes, because they can tell you o leave at anytime for any reason if they don't like the way you're playing, even if they don'thave a specific rule in place to prevent what you're doing. That's why the don't have the same written rules that non-casinos do, they don't need written rules, their word is their rule. Since online rooms don't have dealers and pit-bosses and floor-bosses and everyone else watching every player, chekcing to see if you're trying to exploit the system, and since they can't just shut you down without a good reason without risking a lawsuit, they have to instate rules to do the same thing that casinos are able to do on a whim.

And I'm sorry, playing poker in a bar "with people" does not mean you're going to be good in an online setting. Online is a totally different style of play, one that is so different, it's almost a different form of poker. You can't see the other people, so the only way you can even TRY to judge the strength of their hands is by the speed and size of their bets, and ask anyone who's played online a lot, that doesn't tell you sh!t. In online games, your only real way to play the players is to pay to see their cards and keep try of their fold stats to see if they're tight or loose and aggressive or conservative players. Beyond that, you're just running pot odds and hoping for luck.

And I'm still astounded that saving blinds is that big a deal to you. If you were any good, it wouldn't matter. Think of it this way, since I live in Vegas, I can go to Bellagio or Palms anytime and play for real money, so I usually just do play money online, just for the practice. At the 100/200 tables, pot sizes routinely get up to 10, 20, even 50k sometimes. Losing 300 per round if I don't play any hands is nothing, since I know I'm going to win one of those 10/20/50k hands eventually. If you really think that saving on the blinds is that big of a deal compared to how much you should be making if you're any good, I just don't get it. Not to mention the number of times that I've gone in on big blind with a 7-3 off suit or something, some hand that I know I would have folded if I wasn't blind, and then flopped two pair or a boat or something. To me, that happens usually once and hour that I flop a good hand to pockets that I would have folded, and I promise you, I have made more money from playing blinds than I've lost.

And to answer your last question (like I did in my first post, if you'd read it), if you sit out the blinds in an online poker room, you just have to pay them the next hand you play. If you can't even understand a simple post, then I highly doubt you'd understand the real intricacies of a game like poker. My advice to you would be to learn how to play well enough that blinds no longer matter to you instead of trying to come up with ridiculous ways to cheat the system. Think about it, how long would you sit there and play against someone who did what you want to do? I promise you, if you tried that sh!t in Vegas, every player would leave the table the second you came back into play after sitting out blinds, and you'd have a visit from very large, very grumpy men in black suits before long.

 

[Analytic]

I love poker! and no you can't skip blind, everytime you sit out you will have to put in 50 cent or whatever the big blind is when you decided to join back in.

 

[Skilla_Staz]

My cousin wins a few bucks here and there, but ends up blowing it later.

If you're good, you might get a little bit, but don't expect to make a living off of it.

 

[manuva]

I perfectly understand the rules of poker man! :cuss:

-if you are at the blind positions (sb or BB), you must post a blind before recieving cards.

-if you are NOT at a blind position, you can see your hole cards for free.

I perfectly understand this rule!!!! what makes you think I dont!? Its becuase of my perfect understanding that I see the "loophole" that can be exploited in these rules if you are given the chance to "sit out" at will.

in online poker, the rules have been changed according to sinner. they go like this:

-If it is your first hand in the poker room, reguardless of position relative to dealer button, you must post a blind before seeing your first hand.
-if it is not your fisrt hand, you only have to post a blindif you are at the SB or BB, otherwise, it is free to see your hole cards.

THese are not the rules for standard poker, these are partypoker.com or who ever else's modification of the standard rules to prevent people like me from exploiting loopholes. In principle, skipping blinds is perfectly legal according to standard rules in a poker game where sitting out is an option. But is it ethical or considerate? probably not. This is why the online poker sites have in fact modified the standard rules to make such behavior illegal. SO yes, the rules are different for online poker and how texas hold em hold em was orriginally to be played. in the original pure standard rules of poker, you only post blinds at a blind position!!!! if you are not at a blind position, it is supposed to be free to see your hole cards, EVEN IF IT IS YOURE FISRT HAND! <---partypoker and online sites have changed this rule so that your always post blinds if its your 1st hand in the room independant of position relative to dealer button. <---this is not how poker is supposed to be played. Real poker has the loophole in it that I speak of, theyre just changing the rules to close this loophole!!!

And btw, If played poker at bars with people. I know Im fairly good.

I have another question: I now understand that poker rooms require you to post a blind for your 1st hand. But what about after that? Once Ive played my 1st hand, this rule no longer appliess? meaning I can in fact sit out and join back in just to skip blinds? Im asking if 'after first hand, payments for blinds are only made at blind positions, even if you choose to sit out and join back in, no 1st hand payments are required, becuase youve already completed your \fisrt hand.,' <--true? OR is it any time you sit out, and join back in, you have to post blinds again reguardless of position? If so then its still possible to skip blinds as long as youve already payed for your first hand.

I feel like I'm talking to a brickwall.

I play poker semi-professionally. I rely on the income I make. There have been times where poker was my ONLY source of income. I've made $500 since I last posted in this thread. I play mostly at the local casino, and I also do some occasional work teaching at the Australian Poker School. Here is my final word:

You cannot avoid the blinds. You must post a forced blind when you first sit at a ring game. The ONLY EXCEPTION to this rule is when a new table is opening and everybody sits down at the same time. Only then will you receive free cards.

If you play your hand under the gun, and then sit out to avoid the blinds, not only will you miss the chance to play on the button (the most advantageous table position) but you'll also have to post BOTH blinds (SB+BB) in order to be dealt back in.

These rules apply to both online games and casino games. They are standard ring-game rules.

As Sinner said, if paying blinds according to the rules of the game is such a big deal, maybe you should find another hobby.

 

[Celadus]

One of the poker sites offers something really small like .01/.02 games. From what I hear these games are more realistic than play money games. I can make 15,000 off of 1,000 in play money but when I go to the Palms it takes a couple hours to make 30 bucks

The real money games are a lot tighter than play money and its easy to pick up bad habits and/or get frustrated when you are beat by 3-5 offsuit continously. Check out www.twoplustwo.com and the books they publish. It takes a lot of work to be a consistent winner. Structured bet poker has a lot of variance and isn't exciting but its the main game you'll find. I don't have much tournament experience yet, costs too much to buy in for me.

Celadus

 

[Skel]

Wow man, yeah, no one ever makes it in online poker. Every person fails, honest!

Edit - Sarcasm. I'm never too entirely sure of the intellegence level around.

for the record I play online poker for a living. Have been playing 7 years now.

 

[Cash]

Income can be consistent if you have a solid game plan, and alot of discipline.

But damn it can be a tiresome game.

 

[G0gL2000]

I have ditched the idea of playing online poker due to that new law the US govt has passed. the Wire act I believe it is called. Basically, it disallaws banks to transfer money to and from the poker sites. THis makes it impossible for me to play online poker with real money.