On the subject of dropping friends that drag you down

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A huge part of growing up/realising your ambitions/becoming the best you you can be involved surrounding yourself with the right people;

You are the average of the five people you spend the most time with.

The person I undoubtedly spend the most time with is my housemate. We've only lived together for 4 months and already it's becoming so draining I feel exhausted. I always wanted to live with a like-minded friend and have the whole Joey & Chandler thing going on but it just hasn't worked out that way.

Around the flat occasionally he will have a clean but it's usually after a week or so of filth whereas I prefer to keep it clean by doing smaller jobs more frequent but ok that's not too bad. There are little habits that I've brought up that are annoying or bother that have become less but basically if he can cut corners he will. This points out the major red flag: laziness.

The kid will do nothing all day but watch tv and smoke weed whilst eating junk and I have to admit that I've done the same regularly, but the difference is I go to work and bring some money in. He has to call in a debt with a friend and borrow money from me to cover the rent and bills this month as he hasn't been to work in weeks, and when he did go it was 2 or 3 days a week (first time he hasn't met the financial requirements). Now I admit is job is a bit of a b!tch and is long hours but rather than address the problem by applying for different jobs or talking to his boss (who is very understanding) he just ignores the problem and hopes it will go away (another red flag: pu$$y).

As well as being a lazy pu$$y he has ex-gf oneitis issues and is a total askhole (asks for advice then ignores it). When I first met him he was with this girl, they'd been together a while. The first night I went out with both of them she flirted with me all night then they had an argument and she stormed off, he followed and as a result they missed their train home and he had to pay for a taxi (and we weren't close to home). Fast forward a few months she dumps him for another guy saying 'you have no ambition, and you do nothing all day'. The other guy was successful while my friend had just dropped out of Uni after doing practically nothing for two years (another wasted opportunity).

My friend proceeded to self-harm and act like a total douche (calling and texting her at all hours, begging, crying, you know). I pitied him and tried to help when others (who knew better) weren't helping. I have him so SS advice such as whoever cares the least in the relationship rules and to go no contact. He did, and did well, she started calling him to see him and would even initiate sex with him when he said he wanted nothing more to do with her. Then he relapsed.

When we moved in together she'd come over, their laughter would turn in to a fight over nothing and I'd hear him shouting 'I f*cking hate you, I hope you die, I never want anything to do with you ever again' before no longer than 10 minutes later calling her, apologising, asking her to come bal and promising to buy her whatever she wants (WHAT THE F*CK?!). I called him out on it many times but he tries to act as if he was kidding or playing her, totally not the case. The guy is a wimp and know she wants nothing to do with him (said it many times before), she has taken steps to rid him of her life - which resulted in him asking to borrow my phone to check her fb as she's blocked him. He said he wanted to check what she was up to, I declined naturally.

In addition to this if I try and help him by introducing him to new girls etc he just messes it up. He always told stories of how good he was with girls but he literally socially retarded. If he manages to talk to a girl (usually he has to be very drunk) he just mumbles out some nonsense or makes it awkward. He'll then try to kiss a girl even if she looks disinterested and, although he's gotten a kiss back a few times on account of being a good looking guy, when he gets rejected he gets all downhearted and sad. He asked of I'd leave the club with him last week because he thought and I quote 'everyone in there thought he was ugly'.

Getting back to the point - living with him has become especially difficult though it has helped me realise I don't want to live a student-esque life anymore; dirty dishes, excessive weed smoking, junk food, daytime tv. I feel as though that's what he wants and if it wasn't for me (I did all the work in gettin the flat, pay more, take responsibility etc) he'd be living at his dad's and on the dole. I'd feel bad dropping him to this fate but I shouldn't have to look after him.

Financially I'm thinking of saving up and getting my first mortgage on a small place, as it's cheaper and makes more sense than paying rent every month for no return. He seems to think we're gonna make money together, get a mortgage together etc and that just isn't the case. If I could afford the rent and bills myself as well as save and pay off my own debts I would but I doubt I could. Basically I need to save around 5 grand. This would take maybe 6-8months (less if I apply myself but I dunno if I can cope that long with him (he's making immature jokes in a silly voice now and it just riles me).

So what should I do?
Is it really important that I drop him and try to hang with like-minded people?
Can I/should I help him? How?
Money saving tips?
Mortgage advice?
Motivation help (as I myself need to do more)?
Where can I meet like-minded, ambitious, driven people?

Thanks, and apologies for the mammoth post. Any help is greatly appreciated.

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Sorry about the grammatical errors. Typing on an iPhone :/
 

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All of them will drag you down eventually. Best bet is to have associates but no close friends. Eventually they will want something, or become jealous, or get into legal trouble and want you to bail them out.
 

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Malice said:
All of them will drag you down eventually. Best bet is to have associates but no close friends. Eventually they will want something, or become jealous, or get into legal trouble and want you to bail them out.
This is 100% true.

Over time I've found that I thrive more and have much better relationships acquaintances and associates than close friends. Relationships with close friends ALWAYS get dramatic. Always, always, always.

Once you get really close to people they get a certain degree of entitlement.. almost like they believe they "own you" (or a part of you) and you must share everything with them. They feel entitled to your time, your help, your money, etc. They believe they should come before your other friends. It gets demanding and competitive.. thus becoming somewhat toxic over time. You also lose some degree of independence and freedom because you feel like you always have to include this person anytime you do anything social.

I lost the last of my "close friends" from high school when I started f*cking hotter girls than him. Since then I've tried to keep a comfortable distance from my male friends. However, some try to get close anyway and the same problems of competition and jealousy show up. :crazy:

Spinning plates and living on your own terms applies to all areas of life. Unfortunately.. doing right by others often means screwing yourself. Never screw yourself for anyone. Be as fair as possible.. but in situations where you can't be fair.. take care of your own interests above others. :up:
 

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Interesting viewpoint. And makes great sense but what if you fancy a few pints or want a game of pool. Gotta have a certain degree of friends at least surely?
 

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Run an ad for a new roommate and boot his ass. IF a friend is always dragging you down and sponging off you, cut him out of your life. Help him ONCE, not the next 30 years
 

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Bizzle13 said:
Interesting viewpoint. And makes great sense but what if you fancy a few pints or want a game of pool. Gotta have a certain degree of friends at least surely?
You can do that with women.
 

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The Simple Man said:
They don't know **** about playing pool. Most can't even hit the cue ball.
Perfect then. You can make them bend over while you teach them.
 
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Malice said:
Perfect then. You can make them bend over while you teach them.
Yeah, but that sh!t gets old. Sometimes we want to play pool like real men, you know.
 

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The Simple Man said:
Yeah, but that sh!t gets old. Sometimes we want to play pool like real men, you know.
Then hang out with guys from work or something.
 

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Hahaha I get what you mean, but the funy thing is our relationship as friends would be great if we didn't live together. I think he's slowly worked in to his head that I'll mother him, mistaking my kindness for weakness. I'm definitely taking this on board but I've gotta keep a couple of trusted male friends just cause everyone needs someone to just chat junk with, and when the chips are down its good to have a real friend there. As long as they're real friends I'll let them in but other than that it's civil, friendly, polite but impartial and looking out for number one.

Fool me once and all that. Anyway onwards and upwards, one way or another big changes are on their way! Thanks guys
 

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Room mates are never a good idea. Ever. They invade your privacy. They don't clean up or don't cleanup when you expect it done. They mooch constantly. I prefer to pay more and live on my own (my case is my wife and have done so and tried the room mate thing more than 3 times and each time ended the same.. Loss of friendship and tons of headaches for both my wife and I (lived with her since we was 16 when we got our own apartment)

Steer away from being a room mate with anyone. It will save you a ton of grief.

6-8 months to save 5 grand? You gunna use 5grand for a down on a place? Fvck here in canada you have to have 25% to qualify for anything. This is to prevent a housing market crash I guess as this was put in 2 years ago. A 2bdrm townhouse here is 300grand... 3 bdrm is 400 grand. Unless you want a stupid mobile home with pad rent.

Anyhow.. No room mates. You have been warned.
 

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Epimanes, jesus christ you must live in Ontario.

Seconded btw, room mates are nothing but trouble. Neighbours are a different thing, but room mates if its not your family can be a huge hassle. I once had a room mate from SS who tried to extort money out of me and threatened to do some awful bodily harm to me if I didn't pay up (truth). People are fvcking weird. BTW never room with anyone from another country that you met off a pickup site. Have your own place where you can close the door, shut out the world and take care of your own bills/rent.

When you count on someone else to provide the most important things in life, you are at their mercy.
 

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British columbia west coast. :/ ... NICE but expensive.
 

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Epimanes and LiveFree you've definitely opened my eyes. I was blinded by Joey & Chandler and everything they had together :'( haha

I will be concentrating on having my own place soon, if I go on to lead a red pill life little worries like boredom and loneliness won't be an issue. Just have to make sure I have enough money to socialise etc after bills.

Yeah there's a scheme starting in Britain where you only need 5% deposit for a mortgage on selected homes. May have to try and save 8-9 grand though, which will be an extra few months :/
 

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Bizzle13 said:
I was blinded by Joey & Chandler and everything they had together :'( haha
this kind of friendship i want more than any pvssy. dunno why. maybe because i don't have it. i have had one best friend with whom i was like brothers, but he left the country and became a doctor. it is sad.

i really miss the times we went hiking, exploring, and photographing wildlife while talking about stupid and serious things all the time. now, with all the women, and social circle "friends" i feel more alone than ever. no homo, really. i think some of you can understand this.
 

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Yeah definitely. I'd rather have one true friend than bang a dozen girls. When times are good the women will flock, when times are bad they don't give a f*ck.

Got a couple of great friends back home but I've moved away and we're all at the age now of 'settling down' etc so don't see them much. Think everyone needs a small group, you know like on friends, how I met your mother etc makes you give less of a f*ck regarding the rest of the world. You need no approval from anyone else.
 

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What a total d!ck. My roommate has has just ****ed me over again so as soon as physically possible either I find somewhere better and move out or he moves out. I'd rather have no money and struggle than look after/look out for someone else, especially someone who doesn't appreciate it, and constantly takes the p!ss.

**** friends now, if I want a beer or a game of pool I've got numbers of people to ask. If they want to hang or want something from me I'll do it IF it suits me. Someone is gonna have to work hard to earn the right for me to go out of my way for them.

If I wanna vent or whatever I'll go the gym and hit the bag or call family. There's plenty for me to do and work on to keep me busy enough to forget about these plastic friends. Look out for number one now, that's all that matters. Everything else will come.
 
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