Mission: Lay Hb9.5 Aw /w Bf!

[utax]

So here is the background:

Girl, HB9.5, 18 y/o, attention wh0re.
Me, 8, 19 y/o.
Her boyfriend, 8, 18 y/o, with very rich parents.

We met around a year ago. Then I was kinda AFC, but started to learn DJ game. I trew some C+F and it was ok. She had always showed me signs of interest.

At first I tried to ask her out but she always was busy etc. We only hang out when there was our friends. We always had some nice kino, but we never kissed only when played games with kissing involved. But even these kisses was pretty good, with tounge etc.

Few months ago she LJBF me and found a boyfriend. He is rich guy. He is pretty handsome too. Even more he is not too AFCish, but still got some AFCish traits. They had some fights and had almost split up because HB9.5 messed with another guy (boxer).

We hang out quite often, at least one time a week, but sometimes more. She got some girl friends and I have made out with 2 of them while she was around. I felt that she was unconfortable, altough she said she would like to see us together as a couple. Of course her BF was with her all the time. They were kissing, etc.

Last week we went to 10-day skiing trip together. Only me and she. Actually she invited me to do it. We were staying in one room, etc. Did a lot of talking. I initiated some kino and it went very well. But she was constantly talking about her BF, why he isn't SMSing, about his wealth, etc.
Actually she was very receptive to kino, I touched her breasts, slide me hand under her pants and massaged her ass. I even rubbed her pvssy trough her pants and it was all wet.
BUT when I reached for kiss she never wanted to do it and started talking about her BF.

When I arrived home from trip I didn't sent her SMS for 2 days. She sent me SMS and asked if I am going to some party. I said that I think I will. But I will be going to another pary and I can bring one person with me. So I kinda asked her out. Of course she asked if she could bring her BF too. I said no! And she called me egoist. I laughed at her and didn't respond.


HERE IS MY STRATEGY:

I won't ask her out anymore. I will go to party she is going, but will try to avoid excessive contact with her. Won't respond to her messages or respond late. Try to get her to chase me.

Question is "What to do when she starts to chase me?".

What are the odds I will fvck her?

 

[Royal Elite]

So you are using all the energy your body has to chase a girl whose energy is entangled with someone else. It's not as if you are saying she is chasing you, you are chasing her. And you somehow can't utilise any of this energy to pursue a single girl who would gladly share all of herself with you, instead of bits and pieces here and there?

 

[squirrels]

Dude...you were rubbing her genitals?

Honestly...it sounds like she's of the mindset that she's NOT going to be your girl, but she's still hot for you. She's not kissing you because if she doesn't kiss you and isn't going on dates to parties with you it's not like you MEAN anything to her. So she can fool around casually without having you in contention with her boyfriend.

If I were you, in that ski lodge, I would've tried just getting her hot, going down on her for a little while, and see if you could get "up in it", or at least get some reciprocation.

I would NOT give this one the "primary prospect" role in your life right now, though. Keep her as a peripheral plaything. If you get heavy on her, she WILL have a stroke of conscience and split.

 

[utax]

Royal Elite: Actually I am not using all energy on her, I have other girl who I am going to ask out soon. She is very nice too. Actually I have never chased her, she always invited me to all the parties. I have only invited her to 2 parties. But she have invited me to over 10 parties. So I don't think I am chasing her.

squirrels: Yes I was rubbing her pvssy trough her clothes. It was all wet. But after some time she turned away and said she couldn't do that.
What do you mean by your last sentence?

 

[squirrels]

I mean she's not gonna be your girlfriend while she's into some other guy, and you shouldn't wait around for her to split with him.

Either keep trying to work on her as a "side-project" while you look for another go-to girl, or just leave the situation alone.

 

[Reach]

It's cool you're going for the classic freeze out. That can work when you ignore someone. Actually Thudercat had a audio clip about it. Go to www.thudercatseductionlair.com and have a search around for freeze outs.

 

[A-Unit]

Re:

Being honest here.

(Funny how I'm piggy backin' on all of Royal's Post, as awesome as they are. We'll give a double dose).


I. A woman is for YOUR desires, NEEDS, and happiness. The fact you're posting this questions is AFC.


II. Unless you've fucced her, she doesn't care. Women let random dudes touch their pussies all the time, same as guys lets chick succ their c0cks all the time, too.


III. You've got bad philosophy here. Instead of strategizing HOW to get her, you SHOULD be planning dates. INSTEAD, you're analyzing this other guy, his traits, and plotting love and sex and romance like you're going into battle. Friend, this is a losing war. Until she's planning time to meet up with you, it's a lost cause. Any interaction is 2-way.

At first I tried to ask her out but she always was busy etc. We only hang out when there was our friends. We always had some nice kino, but we never kissed only when played games with kissing involved. But even these kisses was pretty good, with tounge etc.

She didn't LJBF you, she wouldn't have gone the relationship route. She didn't like you. Unfortunately, you were a bridge. How many girls have you fooled around with whom you didn't make a GF? If you'd fool around with her, why be with her? You're getting basically what every man wants in a relationship, without giving up freedom. From her point, if she didn't give up sex or hint at it, she didn't want a relationship. Most GOOD girls will wait until its relationship time for sex. Would you really want to be with a girl who did it any other way? That means she bangs outside of a relationship...how many other dudes has she done that way?


Red Flag #1

They had some fights and had almost split up because HB9.5 messed with another guy (boxer).

She fooled around with another person. The speaks of a person NOT trustworthy. Who gives a flying hoot if he's a boxer, the dog or the athlete?


Red Flag #2

he got some girl friends and I have made out with 2 of them while she was around. I felt that she was unconfortable, altough she said she would like to see us together as a couple. Of course her BF was with her all the time. They were kissing, etc.

Actions speak louder than words. She was kissing her bf. You were merely ASSUMING she wanted you and was UNCOMFORTABLE. Until she flips out and begins cussing, calling her friends hoes, or flushes her emotions on you, all other things mean nothing. They're figments of your imagination.


Red Flag #3

So I kinda asked her out. Of course she asked if she could bring her BF too. I said no! And she called me egoist. I laughed at her and didn't respond.

She wants to bring her BF, whoever that might be right now...Actions SPEAK louder than words. Remember this little thought on Congruency...doing what it is we say we will. Actions are the only THINGS we can feel. The minds loves words, because it conjures up Images, which give it FALSE feelings. But actions only speak of truth, and only etch into our mind what a person is.


Red Flag #4

But she was constantly talking about her BF, why he isn't SMSing, about his wealth, etc.

Red Flag #5


If this was a crayon, I'd have all ready run out of it flagging down important points for you to see.

Question is "What to do when she starts to chase me?".

When she chases, you come back here and tell me truthfully what she actually did. Chasing you would be..."let's go out." "i want to see you, on a more than friendly level."


She won't chase though, NOT in the way you want her to. And the odds you'll fvck her are disproportionately linked to how much of a symp your being. The more you EVEN care about her as a girl, and less about what she does, the less you're likely to bang her.

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Now, you might say, why be so harsh? First off, it's not being harsh enough that got you hear and being LJBF.

Secondly, in your mind, these things might seem different, and they probably, but your mind is WRONG. It wants to see it through rose colored glasses, but it ain't gonna happen.


I've given you five red flags, words you wrote with your own fingers, from your own mind...do you need more evidence? Treat her as a friend, date her friends seriously, and don't consider her anything more than that until SHE show you otherwise. This is completely insane. You're wasting precious time when it could be with other girls, other things, or even your own family. A girl that saw value in fvcking you now, or even in dating you now, would wrap her moist little thighs around you tight, she'd blow your cell phone up so bad, that you'd think you're Tommy Lee getting azz from pornstars.


Why do say this? Because when I approach things this way, IT happens this way. You don't have to be a master PUA, or even a super seducer, just be a person with common sense. Most guys on these boards don't operate that way. Chicks got a lot of logic when it comes to relationships, UNTIL they've fvcked you. Now, 2 things can happen, she can stop seeing you altogether and say it was a ONS, OR, she can be in a relationship, at which point she WILL CHASE LIKE A MOTHAPHUCKA. BUT....chasing will not commence until emotions are involved, and no emotion is involved UNTIL YOU PHYSICALLY penetrate her, AND learn to MENTALLY penetrate HER. However....to do this, she must allow you. One cannot be hypnotized unless your willing to be...as such, you cannot penetrate a chick until she allows you. THEN, you embed anchors, get into her emotionally by putting the focus on her, and banging her.


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The chase works like this...


Guys CHASE FIRST for Pvssy/Sex, Get it, then leave.


Girls EXPECT the chase, Give it up, THEN CHASE.


There's no value, no challenge UNLESS there's EMOTION. You chase dreams because you IMAGINE them. They're visual. They conjure up some emotional value to you. Unless you logically transfer your IMAGE to her as some emotion, then you can't be CHASED. Sure, if you look like some movie star, and she gets wet everytime she see's him, then you can be chased, because she FEELS famous and SEXY doing it. But how can a girl quantify CHASE if you're financially secure? Unless you succumb to image, and drive a SL500, and present yourself as RICH, she won't chase.




A-Unit

 

[Reach]

It seems like this guy actually has a chance of ****ing her though. The mistake he made was trying to kiss her and taking that as consent. The start of Swinggcats book (which you can easily download from morpheus) goes into detail over how you don't have to kiss a girl to **** her. If he just pulled her panties down and little and stuck it in instead, then who knows.

At the end of the day if she didn't want him around she wouldn't invite him on a 10 day skiing trip and let him finger her. Though I wouldn't personally bother with the girl cause I really don't want to stir vanilla.

 

[utax]

Damn, A-Unit it was great post! It was what I needed - opinion from different angle. Now I understand my mistakes and that I am too imaginative.

So I won't pursue her anymore and treat her like you stated.

Thank you very much for your harsh words! I really needed that, it's like I woke up!

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[Schlep]

Dunno exactly where you're at in Europe, but around the Dallas, TX area, she'd be about an 8 tops. I'd personally say 7.5.

 

[A-Unit]

Re:

She's bangable, and she's knows it. Her look says it all. But it also says "come at me strong and straight." She wants TO WANT. If she wants, it has value. Therefore, she chases.


If you simp on her, she'll pimp on you.


There's nothing wrong with doing stuff with her, BUT remember these words...


"If a girl likes you, no gift, no dinner, no date, no vacations makes a difference; she already likes you. If a girl doesn't like you, no gift, no dinner, no date, no vacation makes a difference, because all she likes is the image."


Now if I felt a connection to a real chick in a real club, I MIGHT buy a drink, BUT, that's if we're talking HIGH CLASS gal at a club, sitting alone, and I come not expecting anything of the drink. But when you're talking little girls, those under 30, let them feel the pain of PAYING their own way. They want to date fvckheads, let them live like a chickenhead. A girl that expects a drink is a chickenhead and low class. She wasn't raised right. IF you get her 1, make sure you're doing shyt.


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I'm glad you have changed your attitude...dating isn't about this guys. It ain't a mine field. It isn't to be persued by a guy. This is why KNOWING the connection, the energy, the vibe is important, b/c you can tell, underneath it all, what women are drawn to you. Sure approach whoever, but sense what vibes she's sending toward you. Is she asking questions? At a club, is she lingering around your area? Is she eyeing you up when there's 359 degrees she could look elsewhere? Is she KINOing you? If she is, is she a professional flirt or is she genuine? GO WITH LOGIC. Ask yourself...why is she doing this? Logic is a mack's weapon and shield. It's your armour. Your downfall will be your imagination, your mind. She'll appeal to your ego, d!ck tease you, taunt you, make you think things...then play around. Please.




A-Unit

 

[Iguana]

Here in Costa Rica I give her a 7

Iguana
Peace & Metal

 

[Microphone Fiend]

I wudn't say 9.5....lol....but she would get it...she looks in the mid to higher 8 range... stay @ it man, this one is in the bag if you think it is

 

[whistler]

Dude,

She's totally an attention wh*re. Look at some of the AW threads if you want a strategy. But basically, being an alpha is the only way you've got a shot. And her having a boyfriend reduces that to a very small shot.

Make yourself the center of attention at a party and hope she bites.

 

[PRMoon]

IMO this girl is not a 9.5. Maybe you like her personality and all but based on looks alone I'd say this girl is an 8 tops (then again I'm surrounded by strippers and show girls and what not so I maybe bias) She's pretty hot but I wouldn't be a googly eyed over this one.

Whichever, rating is objective and the girls you see around you may not be as hot as this one IYO. Regardless you find this girl to be nearly perfect and you've been trying to game her for quite some time now. But I think ignoring her at this point won't do you all that much good. I mean who all of a sudden starts to ignore a person they've known for over a year out of the blue? Chances are she won't care or know you're planning something.

You can still game her but you need to alter your strategy. I speculate that she's using her boyfriend as a crutch for not hooking up with you to this point so typically I'd call her bluff. I mean you felt her up pretty good according to her story. Most girls won't let a guy get hands in their pants and then not let them kiss if they weren't playing games. I think she wants to see if you'll man up or not when she mentions her b/f after you start making progress. If what you say is true then you have to be somewhat more forceful and blut about it.

The next time you've got your hand near her puss and go in for a kiss you need to tell her to shut the f*ck up about this guy because no g/f I've had has ever let her "friend" stroke her kitty and then all of a sudden bring up her guy. Stick your toung down her throat with athority like the little sl*t she is and seal the deal.

I can't believe I even have to say this! Come on you're suppose to be a professional! Professionals don't play stupid games like that! MAN UP!

 

[t00dumb]

that's a 9.5? oh man, then i've been lowering my standards!

 

[alphawolfx]

what A-Unit said - stay on that

 

[DeathDealer]

Are you gay? I hear stuff that you wear tight jeans when you go out with your buttboys and massage girl's feet for exotic fun.

 

[todesangel]

ILL RAPE YOU