AlwaysExcel
Senior Don Juan
INTRO
My biggest issue has been connecting with girls while maintaining sexual tension and frame control. I think this part of the game is least explained in seduction circles even though it’s somewhat discussed in the direct game threads. I recently had success in this area and I focus on it in this LR. Hopefully my report can help someone out.
This experience happened at a festival I organized and the girl was the sister of one of my friends. So if you’re interested in cold approach attract game, this LR isn’t for you. On the other hand, I almost lost the interaction and encountered resistance despite my massive value and attractiveness. Just goes to show that attraction and social value aren’t everything.
PRELIMINARY STUFF
I had some brief friendly conversation with this girl a couple times throughout the festival but I was too busy to really kick it with her. The last night I relaxed and saw her dancing by herself like no other girl I’ve experienced. I grinned at her and started dancing too. We maintained eye contact and danced closer and closer. I teased and drew back. I used salsa and swing moves as well as freestyle. It was a fvcking blast! I love dancing with a woman who can keep up with me on the dance floor. I drew real close to her face several times before kissing her.
Then I hung out with her brother and one of my female friends. We never got into any real lengthy deep rapport convos. Later on in the night, I led/danced/made out with her back to my camp. She laughed and said that I was “taking her somewhere.” I said, “Your powers of deduction are astounding!” When we got to my tent, she wanted to go see an art project so we checked it out. Made out more at the project and then I led her back into my tent.
PROBLEM
We got naked. I could’ve fvcked her then but I wanted oral first. So I told her I wanted to feel her hot little mouth on my c0ck. She refused. But then she got on top of me and tried to mount me. I pulled away because I wanted oral first and I told her this. She said stuff like, “you’re used to getting your way and you’re pissed that I won’t do what you want.”
Then my c0ck started to get soft and she said I wasn’t feeling it. The energy was broken. The waver in the energy killed the mood and she started having second thoughts about the whole thing.
INITIAL LMR BUSTING FAILURE
I started talking about how we shouldn’t be ruled by fear. I said that I was disappointed because I thought she was different. She told me she didn’t have to prove herself by sucking my dyck. Heh. This thread didn’t work AT ALL and seemed to turn her off even more. She said that I’m used to girls who play games and it’s a shame we wouldn’t work out.
ADDRESSING LMR
At one point, she started in on an LMR thread about how sex is too easy and she wants it to be something more. I summed it up for her by saying that she’s afraid of being a conquest. Then I flipped it by reminding her that she had told me that she was impressed that I organized all of these people to have this festival. I said that I should be the one worried about being a conquest. She laughed and then said she was attracted by how I take care of people. So I used that to ask her why she would even give in to fear about being a conquest if she knew that I take care of folks. More excuses ensued.
CONNECTION IS KEY
I asked, “You’re not feeling connected to me are you?” Of course she didn’t answer directly but instead asked me how I felt connected to her. I told her exactly how I felt, that she is a beautiful amazing woman who can groove with me like no other. Then I reminded her that she didn’t answer my question. She said that she liked me because I was really cute. Bingo. I shook my head and looked away. I told her that she was attracted to my looks, not connected to me.
THEN I started agreeing with her that it was a bad idea to have sex since SHE didn’t feel the connection when I thought that we had one. She tried to regain the frame by asking me again how I felt connected to her. I expressed my dissatisfaction that she wasn’t listening to me (fed back into the frame of HER being out of touch). She tried to say, “don’t make this about me.” I pointed out again that she couldn’t tell me how we are connected.
She said she likes me because I am a powerful person. I said that was another attractive trait and lots of girls are attracted to looks and power. I asked her what made her any different than them. This subtly underlined that I am attractive to lots of different girls but that I was looking for something more. She asked me to explain the difference between connection and attraction. My convo was that connection is personalized. “Let’s talk about US. What connects YOU to ME?” She still struggled to answer me.
PUSH PULL
I told her it was a shame because I dug her but that I was glad we didn’t have sex since she wasn’t feeling what I was feeling. It was a fine line between totally disqualifying her and presenting her with a relationship challenge to overcome (by doing what I wanted). I toed that line by telling her it was a bad idea to have sex WHILE I stimulated her and was physically affectionate. It almost fvcked up because she asked me if I really wanted her to leave and I joked around saying, “get the **** out of here.” She said, “that’s it, I’m leaving” and started putting her clothes on. I laughed, hugged her, and told her she was being too serious. She kept looking at me quizzically and saying, “what a pair we are!” and “you’re speaking two different languages here!”
She said some BS about connecting without sex but I pointed out that she couldn’t tell me how she felt connected to me. Throughout the convo, she kept trying to express how she felt connected and finally I slightly validated that. I also made it clear that whether or not we had sex was irrelevant in the face of whether we connected.
FRAME CONTROL
She mentioned her sun sign in her LMR threads. I pushed a little on this saying, “Daaamn, you’re a Gemini? They’re bad news!” She giggled but had the frame of, “well that’s just who I am.” However, I quickly stole her frame of using astrology as a way to talk about oneself. It really helped positively reframe things around my needs and my worldview. “I am Capricorn so I usually error on the side of caution. Since I’ve realized that, I push my boundaries in order to grow past my cautious ways. I can’t be with someone who is ruled by fear because fear is something I’m trying to overcome. I don’t want to have to overcome someone else’s fear too. I want someone who can complement the life I’m trying to lead.” When I talked about my self-improvement, I wasn’t overly negative like, “listen to all of my problems or I’m soooo afraid.” I talked about growth in the vague general sense that people talk about religion, ideals, and relationships.
I took over the frame by talking about getting to know and improving my inner self. I framed it positively so that the desired action is a product or sign of the way of being that I am trying to attain. The convo topics flowed like this: Describing myself->what I’m trying to overcome/achieve within myself–>how the desired action (BJ) is only important in the context of my desired or actual way of being–>the type of relationship I want to be in and how it relates to my inner development. It was just like how girls talk about relationships and themselves. After I talked about my journey, and myself she said that she liked this openness and honesty.
We also talked more about her sun sign and how she deals with her growth. But I was careful to bring it back to my issue so I didn’t lose the frame. I did this by asking her how she addressed the issues I was trying to address. Like not being ruled by fear.
PHYSICAL PUSH-PULL
Interspersed though the astrology convo, I would stroke her and kiss her a few times. I would also do slight freeze-outs. It was nothing hardcore or angry. We were lying facing each other and I would laugh at silly things she said, turn away from her with a smile, and rub my eyes disapprovingly. All while she would intensely stare at me trying to figure me out. I would then turn back all serious and stare into her eyes too.
SENSUALITY
Another important thing was that I explored when and why she stopped feeling the energy. She basically told me that I wasn’t being as sensual as she needed. I was being too directly and coarsely sexual, which wasn’t her mood. She needed to flow into that rather than abruptly jump into it. I asked her what clued her into me “feeling it in my c0ck rather than my heart,” as she put it. She explained that she was looking for lots of eye contact (I would focus in on her body), breathing together, and light sensual body strokes. The funny thing is that she didn’t give me sensual body strokes. I asked her how she communicated this need to me, which pointed out her low participation. So I again related it back to MY journey and explained how as a Capricorn, I love affection. I also said that I’m more direct with my communication and appreciate her just coming out and telling me what type of sexual vibe she needs. She agreed that she needs to work on that.
At various points toward the end of the convo, she would start rubbing her body against me. Finally we started kissing softly. I focused on being sensual and giving intense eye contact. Feeling the energy build. I realized that I hadn’t flowed and built a sensual vibe before. I was progressing too mechanically. She had sensed this. Concentrating on being sensual really helped me FEEL and connect with her sexually.
My biggest issue has been connecting with girls while maintaining sexual tension and frame control. I think this part of the game is least explained in seduction circles even though it’s somewhat discussed in the direct game threads. I recently had success in this area and I focus on it in this LR. Hopefully my report can help someone out.
This experience happened at a festival I organized and the girl was the sister of one of my friends. So if you’re interested in cold approach attract game, this LR isn’t for you. On the other hand, I almost lost the interaction and encountered resistance despite my massive value and attractiveness. Just goes to show that attraction and social value aren’t everything.
PRELIMINARY STUFF
I had some brief friendly conversation with this girl a couple times throughout the festival but I was too busy to really kick it with her. The last night I relaxed and saw her dancing by herself like no other girl I’ve experienced. I grinned at her and started dancing too. We maintained eye contact and danced closer and closer. I teased and drew back. I used salsa and swing moves as well as freestyle. It was a fvcking blast! I love dancing with a woman who can keep up with me on the dance floor. I drew real close to her face several times before kissing her.
Then I hung out with her brother and one of my female friends. We never got into any real lengthy deep rapport convos. Later on in the night, I led/danced/made out with her back to my camp. She laughed and said that I was “taking her somewhere.” I said, “Your powers of deduction are astounding!” When we got to my tent, she wanted to go see an art project so we checked it out. Made out more at the project and then I led her back into my tent.
PROBLEM
We got naked. I could’ve fvcked her then but I wanted oral first. So I told her I wanted to feel her hot little mouth on my c0ck. She refused. But then she got on top of me and tried to mount me. I pulled away because I wanted oral first and I told her this. She said stuff like, “you’re used to getting your way and you’re pissed that I won’t do what you want.”
Then my c0ck started to get soft and she said I wasn’t feeling it. The energy was broken. The waver in the energy killed the mood and she started having second thoughts about the whole thing.
INITIAL LMR BUSTING FAILURE
I started talking about how we shouldn’t be ruled by fear. I said that I was disappointed because I thought she was different. She told me she didn’t have to prove herself by sucking my dyck. Heh. This thread didn’t work AT ALL and seemed to turn her off even more. She said that I’m used to girls who play games and it’s a shame we wouldn’t work out.
ADDRESSING LMR
At one point, she started in on an LMR thread about how sex is too easy and she wants it to be something more. I summed it up for her by saying that she’s afraid of being a conquest. Then I flipped it by reminding her that she had told me that she was impressed that I organized all of these people to have this festival. I said that I should be the one worried about being a conquest. She laughed and then said she was attracted by how I take care of people. So I used that to ask her why she would even give in to fear about being a conquest if she knew that I take care of folks. More excuses ensued.
CONNECTION IS KEY
I asked, “You’re not feeling connected to me are you?” Of course she didn’t answer directly but instead asked me how I felt connected to her. I told her exactly how I felt, that she is a beautiful amazing woman who can groove with me like no other. Then I reminded her that she didn’t answer my question. She said that she liked me because I was really cute. Bingo. I shook my head and looked away. I told her that she was attracted to my looks, not connected to me.
THEN I started agreeing with her that it was a bad idea to have sex since SHE didn’t feel the connection when I thought that we had one. She tried to regain the frame by asking me again how I felt connected to her. I expressed my dissatisfaction that she wasn’t listening to me (fed back into the frame of HER being out of touch). She tried to say, “don’t make this about me.” I pointed out again that she couldn’t tell me how we are connected.
She said she likes me because I am a powerful person. I said that was another attractive trait and lots of girls are attracted to looks and power. I asked her what made her any different than them. This subtly underlined that I am attractive to lots of different girls but that I was looking for something more. She asked me to explain the difference between connection and attraction. My convo was that connection is personalized. “Let’s talk about US. What connects YOU to ME?” She still struggled to answer me.
PUSH PULL
I told her it was a shame because I dug her but that I was glad we didn’t have sex since she wasn’t feeling what I was feeling. It was a fine line between totally disqualifying her and presenting her with a relationship challenge to overcome (by doing what I wanted). I toed that line by telling her it was a bad idea to have sex WHILE I stimulated her and was physically affectionate. It almost fvcked up because she asked me if I really wanted her to leave and I joked around saying, “get the **** out of here.” She said, “that’s it, I’m leaving” and started putting her clothes on. I laughed, hugged her, and told her she was being too serious. She kept looking at me quizzically and saying, “what a pair we are!” and “you’re speaking two different languages here!”
She said some BS about connecting without sex but I pointed out that she couldn’t tell me how she felt connected to me. Throughout the convo, she kept trying to express how she felt connected and finally I slightly validated that. I also made it clear that whether or not we had sex was irrelevant in the face of whether we connected.
FRAME CONTROL
She mentioned her sun sign in her LMR threads. I pushed a little on this saying, “Daaamn, you’re a Gemini? They’re bad news!” She giggled but had the frame of, “well that’s just who I am.” However, I quickly stole her frame of using astrology as a way to talk about oneself. It really helped positively reframe things around my needs and my worldview. “I am Capricorn so I usually error on the side of caution. Since I’ve realized that, I push my boundaries in order to grow past my cautious ways. I can’t be with someone who is ruled by fear because fear is something I’m trying to overcome. I don’t want to have to overcome someone else’s fear too. I want someone who can complement the life I’m trying to lead.” When I talked about my self-improvement, I wasn’t overly negative like, “listen to all of my problems or I’m soooo afraid.” I talked about growth in the vague general sense that people talk about religion, ideals, and relationships.
I took over the frame by talking about getting to know and improving my inner self. I framed it positively so that the desired action is a product or sign of the way of being that I am trying to attain. The convo topics flowed like this: Describing myself->what I’m trying to overcome/achieve within myself–>how the desired action (BJ) is only important in the context of my desired or actual way of being–>the type of relationship I want to be in and how it relates to my inner development. It was just like how girls talk about relationships and themselves. After I talked about my journey, and myself she said that she liked this openness and honesty.
We also talked more about her sun sign and how she deals with her growth. But I was careful to bring it back to my issue so I didn’t lose the frame. I did this by asking her how she addressed the issues I was trying to address. Like not being ruled by fear.
PHYSICAL PUSH-PULL
Interspersed though the astrology convo, I would stroke her and kiss her a few times. I would also do slight freeze-outs. It was nothing hardcore or angry. We were lying facing each other and I would laugh at silly things she said, turn away from her with a smile, and rub my eyes disapprovingly. All while she would intensely stare at me trying to figure me out. I would then turn back all serious and stare into her eyes too.
SENSUALITY
Another important thing was that I explored when and why she stopped feeling the energy. She basically told me that I wasn’t being as sensual as she needed. I was being too directly and coarsely sexual, which wasn’t her mood. She needed to flow into that rather than abruptly jump into it. I asked her what clued her into me “feeling it in my c0ck rather than my heart,” as she put it. She explained that she was looking for lots of eye contact (I would focus in on her body), breathing together, and light sensual body strokes. The funny thing is that she didn’t give me sensual body strokes. I asked her how she communicated this need to me, which pointed out her low participation. So I again related it back to MY journey and explained how as a Capricorn, I love affection. I also said that I’m more direct with my communication and appreciate her just coming out and telling me what type of sexual vibe she needs. She agreed that she needs to work on that.
At various points toward the end of the convo, she would start rubbing her body against me. Finally we started kissing softly. I focused on being sensual and giving intense eye contact. Feeling the energy build. I realized that I hadn’t flowed and built a sensual vibe before. I was progressing too mechanically. She had sensed this. Concentrating on being sensual really helped me FEEL and connect with her sexually.
