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I have been an avid online Poker player for almost two years now. In addition to supplementing my income by crushing the horrible players that play online, I have been following the industry closely.

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ARTICLE:

LONDON (Dow Jones)--Shuffle up and deal.
Partygaming PLC, one of the world's largest online gaming companies, Thursday
announced plans for an initial public offering on the London Stock Exchange that
could value the company at more than $10 billion, according to analysts.
The estimated market capitalization of Partygaming is based on a comparison with
sportingbet.com (SBT.LN), an AIM-listed peer which trades at around 30-times last
year's earnings, excluding its recent acquisition of another online gaming
company.
Partygaming, whose shares are expected to begin trading at the end of June, could
rank in the top-half of the FTSE-100 by size, but couldn't officially be included
in the FTSE-100 until September when the FTSE committee meets to reexamine the
index constituents.
In addition to market value, there are additional criteria to being included in
the FTSE-100 such as trading volume.
Partygaming owns and operates the world's largest online poker brand, Partypoker,
and says it regularly has 70,000 players simultaneously gambling online.
The Gilbraltar-based company has a 55% market share of the global online gaming
business, said Richard Segal, Partygaming chief executive.
Partygaming's principal revenue stream comes from online poker which in 2004
accounted for approximately 92%, or $553 million, of its revenue. Its bingo and
casino units generated $48.6 million in revenue last year.
Partygaming posted net profit of $350.1 million in 2004 and revenues of $601.6
million. In 2003 the company recorded net profit of $83.6 million, and $4.7
million in 2002.
In the first quarter of 2005 net profit was $117.4 million and revenues were
$222.6 million.
"A float will help to facilitate our strategy of expanding internationally,
increasing our range of products, and funding merger and acquisitions activity,"
said Segal.
Twenty-three percent of the company's share capital will be sold by management,
founders and employees, and is expected to be traded in free float.
A additional 5.6% of the company will be put into a dedicated trust for the
benefit of current and future employees. Current employees will be given
zero-cost share options worth 64% of the trust, which will vest over a 4-to-5
year period.
In addition to Segal, who will retain 1% following the offering, Partygaming's
management team is led by non-executive Chairman Michael Jackson, who is also
chairman of the FTSE-100 software company Sage Group PLC (SGE.LN).
The company's four founders are Ruth Parasol and Russ DeLeon, Anurag Dik**** and
Vikrant Bhargava. Dik**** is the largest single shareholder controlling about 40%
of the company.
PartyGaming employs 1,100 people, most of whom are based in Hyderabad, India, the
site of its back office and software development units.
As of the end of March the company had 1 million registered real money players of
which it considers 400,000 to be active players. The company said that in 2004
over 1 billion hands of poker were played at its online site.
The largest pay out to date was $1.5 million during a pre-Easter tournament,
which had a total prize pool of $7.4 million.
Gibraltar is the home to several online gaming companies while the majority of
players are American. An estimated 80% of online poker players are based in the
U.S., and there are various pieces of proposed legislation in the U.S. Congress
aiming to regulate the industry.
Partygaming doesn't currently offer sports betting, and said it wanted to list
its shares in London because of what Segal characterized as a more sympathetic
climate for online gambling that in the U.S.
Partygaming will only be targeting U.K. and European institutions on its
roadshows, said Segal.
Dresdner Kleinwort Wasserstein is acting as sponsor and global bookrunner for the
offer.
Company Web site: http://www.partygaming.com
By Corey Boles of Dow Jones Newswires; +44 20 7842 9254; corey.boles@dowjones.com

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To me this represents great investment opportunities for related stocks such as Neteller and Cryptologic.

Neteller is the largest "money-handler" for all of the online gaming sites and Cryptologic is another large gaming site.

These stocks should rise in sympathy with the IPO.

Anyone with any relevant knowledge and/or investment experience care to comment?
 

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I also play online poker. Neteller seems to be the only source of money transfer on the net to sites such as pokerstars. It seems to me that along with the explosion of online poker that indeed neteller would be a good investment. However investing in stocks is also gambling and as a poker player you know AA doesent always win :)
 

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ANOTHER ARTICLE - this one mentions Empire, which is the main site I play at.

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Poker firm bets on £5bn flotation
Partygaming, the owner of online poker giant Partypoker, has decided to float on the London Stock Exchange.
Analysts believe Partygaming - whose site is the world's biggest - could be valued at more than £5bn, making it London's largest listing in four years.

Should it reach that valuation, Partygaming would be worth more than household names such as Boots, Sainsbury's and British Airways.

The firm is the latest to try and tap into booming demand for online gaming.

Card school

Partypoker has regularly been attracting 70,000 simultaneous players at peak times, the company said.

Gibraltar-based Partygaming was launched in 1997 and made a pre-tax profit of £371m last year.

During the first three months of 2005 earnings growth has continued and sales almost doubled from the same period a year earlier.


PartyGaming is a highly profitable and cash generative businesses
Richard Segal, PartyGaming


"Partygaming is a highly profitable and cash-generative business," said its chief executive Richard Segal.

"Our focus will be to deliver attractive returns for our shareholders through a combination of the growth of the business and through the payment of dividends."

The company said the money raised in the flotation would be used to fund acquisitions, develop new products and expand its business into new countries.

Founders Anurag Dik****, husband and wife Ruth Parasol and Russ DeLeon, and Vikrant Bhargava, are set to reduce their holding in the Partygaming to close to 77%.

Further listing

Alongside Partygaming, a second gaming company also announced its intention to list on Thursday.

Empire Online, an online poker services firm, plans to list on the smaller AIM market on 15 June.

The company provides marketing services and helps push traffic to online gambling sites.

It has not said how much it is hoping to raise, but some estimates say it could be valued at more than £550m.

Empire Online is mainly owned by Noam Lanir, an Israeli businessman.

The company's non-executive chairman is Leonard Steinberg, founder and non-executive chairman of UK casino operator Stanley Leisure.


Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/business/4601793.stm

Published: 2005/06/02 17:12:40 GMT

© BBC MMV
 

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Trouble is, while you've been reading articles, someones gone and done it. You've missed the boat.

Either setting up or investing in it is too late, if you buy stock it will be on the crest of a curve.

You should have gone all in. Better luck next time.
 

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Originally posted by Alpine
Trouble is, while you've been reading articles, someones gone and done it. You've missed the boat.

Either setting up or investing in it is too late, if you buy stock it will be on the crest of a curve.

You should have gone all in. Better luck next time.
Eh, nothing but useless commentary. You can make the same statements about ANY stock that has seen a recent run-up.

The question is, where is it headed?
 

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Or you can start playing online poker...
I put in 50 bucks and doubled it up to 230.

My friend made over 2 thousand dollars... but he's really good at reading people and plays 24/7.

There's so many chumps out there who can't play at all.


However investing in stocks is also gambling and as a poker player you know AA doesent always win
Hehe thats why you gotta raise pre-flop on American Airlines... you can't slow play 'em or you'll get fu*ked.
 

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Originally posted by Jake-inator
Or you can start playing online poker...
I put in 50 bucks and doubled it up to 230.

My friend made over 2 thousand dollars... but he's really good at reading people and plays 24/7.

There's so many chumps out there who can't play at all.




Hehe thats why you gotta raise pre-flop on American Airlines... you can't slow play 'em or you'll get fu*ked.
Agreed - there's a lot of money to be made.

Anyone interested in getting in on the online Poker craze - here is a link to the best site (with the worst players).

http://www.empirepoker.com/index.htm?wm=2207971

I'm up a little over $13K so far this year playing part-time.

I'm just looking for a way to put my winnings to good use.
 

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To me, online gaming is NOT investing. Investing is where you have at least some control over the situation, but with your deal you are at the mercy of the cards. It's simply gambling, and I never gamble. Sadly, I know people that more or less gamble with stocks, and many of them have lost their shirts. It's their own damn fault for treating Wall Street like a casino.

Good investments never rely entirely on chance. A good deal always has calculated risk, but it is never pure unjustified risk.
 
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Page I think he's talking about investing in stocks for the gaming company - not telling us to play poker. Gaming is just something he does, and it is what made him aware of this stock tip.
 

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Originally posted by Shiftkey
Page I think he's talking about investing in stocks for the gaming company - not telling us to play poker. Gaming is just something he does, and it is what made him aware of this stock tip.
ah, that changes everything.
 

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Originally posted by aftershock
Poker isn't entirely on chance.
There are many kinds of poker. I play blackjack a lot, but never for money. The point is, while some things in the game are up to you (whether to double, split, hit, or stay) you ultimately have no control over the cards you are dealt with each hand. Your only real leverage is that you can count cards in blackjack (which may be considered cheating, depending on who you ask) , but you need a near-perfect memory to do it right, and most people can't. That's why it's gambling. In all, it just comes down to the hand you are dealt.

With investment deals, you have leverage that you can exploit to get the best deal for yourself, and there are a ton of things you can take advantage of to improve the deal for yourself. It's a game just like poker is, but it's not gambling b/c you have a considerable ammount of control over the outcome.
 

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You have no control over what your dealt...but neither do the other players. In the long run every player will get dealt the same cards but play them differently. If you play well, then in the long run you win.

With poker, you play against OTHER players, not the house. So you CAN win and I do regulary.

I personally class an investment as a gamble too, after all ten years ago you'd think that Enron would be worth putting a few thousand in with little risk.

And with poker, you actually have more control over your risk than you do stocks. You can choose when to play, how much to risk at any one time etc, with stocks the company could go bancrupt virtually overnight.

But anyway...the real reason is the chicks love it when you have a large stack in front of you:D.
 

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Originally posted by aftershock
Poker isn't entirely on chance.
Very true.

Poker is about messing with people's heads not about winning on the cards you have.
Why do you think you always see the same people on the final tables on TV?
It sure as hell ain't luck...
 

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he's right.

I don't play poker, i never learned how, I play horses and I'm pretty darn good at it.

I have NEVER seen a horse luckliky win in my life. There is always a factor or two in that horses win. It could be as simple as the trainer giving the horse lasix for the first time or the horse switching from dirt/turf or visa versa for the first time, and he was originally bred for that type of track.

As with horse racing, poker, you are not playing the house... The house doesn't care if you wipe everyone out. In horse racing, the track gets 17%-19% off of whatever is bet regardless of the outcome, i'm not sure about poker.

I have alot of free time since Hollywood park is closing soon, i might give it a try.

The hardest thing with poker isn't knowing the game, it's reading others. With horse racing, the hardest thing isn't actually picking the hroses... 95% i can pick 1 of the 3 horses that can win if I can choose 3 horses, and about 40% of the time if I can only use one. The hardest part is money management, and that took some time to learn. Learning when not to place a bet, and when to place a bet. learning what's a profitable bet. There are sometimes I can bet $200 dollars on a horse race, my horse or horses loose, and I could care less becuase i know it was a good bet.

As i told a friend of mine, I feel ALOT better about horse racing then I do owing stocks, and I do both. I owned a company for a while, and the thing about stocks is that the compaines are going to go for their best interest... which in turn isn't always YOUR best interest... fundling money, misleading customers, slacking off in general, and the return on investment isn't anywhere near as good.

In horse racing, VERY rarely does a jockey try NOT to win, because he has to put food on the table. Sometimes a horse might be coming off a long layoff, and the trainer wants to just get him used to the compitation, and might tell the jockey to ease him down the stretch (never bet on a horse that hasn't raced for 60 days + that is dropping in class after a decent race, it's usually a prep for a later race date, and DEFINATLY don't do it if the horse has a different jockey than his regular jockey, meaning that the regular jockey is trying to win and will take a different mount)
 

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just to add, when I did run my company that i owned, it was pretty common to see deposits of $30,000+ on a single day. it was pretty common to see a balance in our accounts of over $500,000. I never did it, but I could easily see how someone could get greedy and start living beond their means though the company.

I know one guy who for all intents and purposes, bought a 360 Medina Spyder using his compaines bank account.
 
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