I don't know whether to laugh or cry.....

[Luthor Rex]

Let's put things into perspective a bit,

I would sum up STR8UPs position as being frustrated at two things....

1) Women being low-quality
2) Men having a disadvantage

Who can honestly disagree with this? I can't, there are MANY low quality men AND women out there. I have run into a LOT of both.

Exactly!

Since you're not a homosexual male, or bisexual, then you aren't going to be complaining about all of the low quality men you are dating! LOL So you'll seem biased against women when you complain about them... but your bias is because you don't like d1ck!

I would like to see this evidence.

From what I can tell, women have enormous advantages over men, now enforced by law.

1) They get custody of children in the vast majority of divorces
2) They can accuse men of abuse and the man is assume guilty
3) They get all sorts of business grants and such for being 'women'
4) Society grants them the right to belittle men with no repercussion

That's a pretty good start for favoring them.

The Duke Rape case is a good example of anti-male bias in media and academia.

The coverage of when New Orleans went underwater gave us a good example of blatant racism in the media.

The fact the so called "good girls" have published books and articles about being made to feel like sh!t because they don't want to act like a Hollywood actress shows us the kind of crushing conformity girls are under.

In America the forces of conformity can't agree-to-disagree, rather they stifle and do their best to shame everyone into safe acceptable boxes of behavior. Anyone who points out to how obviously this is bullsh!t is called crazy.

40%+ of the prison population is black and many call it racism, and yet 90% of the prison population is male and no one dares call it sexism.

 

[guru1000]

Alot of women today are slvts, you know why? Because they CAN BE! Men have been slvts for years, now all of a sudden a girl (and women love sex more then we do) wants to get some action now you HATE HER? She's not feminine by doing so?? She's "low quality" because of that?

When you can stick your penis in many women and still look at yourself as HIGH QUALITY, why when the shoe gets on the other foot there seems to be a problem?

Hey Gerard,

I had an open ear until I read this.

There is a reason why women wear WHITE at the wedding. A symbol of purity and innocence. MEN do not want to marry leftovers.

What do men wear?

There is a reason why women are born with ESTROGEN. What are the characteristics of ESTROGEN?

A man is born with TESTOSTERONE. What are the characteristics of TESTOSTERONE?

There is a CLEAR DIFFERENCE between MAN and WOMAN.

This DIFFERENCE also makes a DIFFERENCE on how we label HIGH QUALITYas well as the DUTIES of a man and woman.

The problem with society today is very clear and simple.

TESTOSTERONE being the dominant hormone over estrogen clearly shows it is our primal instinct to dominate.

Harmony is broken when women assume this role and thus the divorce rate.

Yes , it is ok for a MAN to be a slut. He has millions of sperm at a time to impregnate multiple women.

It not OK for a woman. She only has one egg to carry one baby.

This is how NATURE calls it.

 

[Gerard-890]

guru, sorry but there are no pre-determined "rules" on how someone should live.

You guys are doomed to life's peace if you are going to keep your internal beliefs that a woman is low quality if she is being independent, having and going her own way, and not following pre-determined "rules" of how a woman SHOULD BE.

I guess this explains why Str8up and others believe that most women are low quality, it's because they don't humble themselves like little puppy dogs and worship "The Almighty."

LOL, urgh.

I see nothing wrong with a strong, independent woman who can stand on her own two feet. Will I be manipulated by her? HELL NO, I am a self-reliant individual and I stand on my own two feet, I'm more independent than she is.

Will I be dominated by her? Again, HELL NO, I have high self esteem and I don't ALLOW other people to control my actions or my life.

The most healthy relationship is when there is TWO INDEPENDENT people with HIGH SELF ESTEEM who share a common INTEREST. In this situation, the common interest is the romantic and sexual MOMENTS.

Nobody has to "bow down" to anybody, I don't care what LAW or RULE WRITTEN BY GOD OR NATURE that says this crap.

First off, MEN wrote all of that bull crap so who's NOT to say the Holy Bible isn't just another DJ Bible? A Bible formed and created by the Beta Males of society who seek to CONTROL others and women because they are too afraid to CONTROL themselves?

I guess the next "movement" around here is that we all are going to hell because we don't go and drink grape juice and eat crackers every First Sunday?

We are HUMANS, why women can't be a HUMAN BEING and CHOOSE THEIR OWN LIVES, makes no god damn sense to me.

Basically, tell women this, "Hey baby, you are nothing more than an ANIMAL, you have no rational thought process to make your OWN F'ING DECISIONS. Nature said for you to do this, and you must do it. I am a MAN, so you SHOULD want me or you aren't a real WOMAN."

That's the biggest scam over the internet since "The World's Greatest Vitamin."

Just a bunch of insecurity, and you WONDER why you are still here trying to "figure it out?" That mindset is NOT attractive.

 

[STR8UP]

I can because as I pointed out, Men dominate the leadership roles in this country, men make majority of the rules and not women. Matter of fact, a woman being seen as "HOT" has even been created by men as a result of medial and society TELLING you what IS hot. Who do you think is behind that "media" and "society?"

Yea yea, "they" have conspired to "brainwash" us poor, innocent, mindless creatures into believing in a certain "standard" of beauty to so we will buy "their" cosmetics to allow us to hold up to that standard. :yawn:

You people.....

As soon as someone starts with the conspiracy BS their credibility is shot as far as I'm concerned.

There are no men sitting at a round table "deciding what they should make us think" beautiful is. There are men sitting around a table trying to figure out how to make a product that people will buy to make us more beautiful by OUR (the general public) EXISTING STANDARDS. And you're calling me an idiot?

There are more higher quality women in today's marketplace than low quality, why you say?

Because 50 years ago, women could be HARDLY NOTHING. Majority of their "talents" were reduced to being a housewife and supporting their husbands as they went out and "provided." Women couldn't vote, women couldn't hold the MAJOR positions, basically majority of them were dumb, stupid, and the ONLY QUALITIES they had were that of cooking, cleaning, making babies, and nurturing the family.

Yea, cause we need a few more women rocket scientists around, I'm getting turned on just thinking about it.....

Women today are smarter, brighter, make more money, DON'T NEED MEN, and can stand on their own two feet.

That's exactly what us men need. More women who feel that a big purple dildo and a six figure paycheck makes men expendable.

This means that they have more CONFIDENCE, Confident people are BETTER people all around. That makes for higher quality.

No, for men confidence= higher quality. For women most of the time confidence= ARROGANCE.

I don't want a "confident" woman. I don't want a neurotic, self conscious, mentally challenged woman either, but confidence is a MANLY trait.

Alot of women today are slvts, you know why? Because they CAN BE! Men have been slvts for years, now all of a sudden a girl (and women love sex more then we do) wants to get some action now you HATE HER? She's not feminine by doing so?? She's "low quality" because of that?

I never made that claim. Matter of fact, I agree with you. More evidence that women are generally the same at their core, some are just better at hiding and suppressing things than others.

 

[STR8UP]

The problem with society today is very clear and simple.

TESTOSTERONE being the dominant hormone over estrogen clearly shows it is our primal instinct to dominate.

Harmony is broken when women assume this role and thus the divorce rate.

I've been saying this for a long time now. The majority of the problems that exist between male/female relationships today are caused by women trying to assume a masculine role, thus leaving a vacuum, which sucks men into a FEMININE role. So now we have a bunch of "strong, independent" who "no longer need men" walking around with an attitude because they can "stand on their own two feet".

I want one of those kinds of women. Where do I sign up?

 

[Gerard-890]

Str8up give me a break?

Confidence is a "Manly" trait? You don't want a Confident woman? Confident women are usually arrogant?

LOL.

Str8up I don't know what I'm going to do with you, and no I don't think you are an idiot and I think you are very intelligent just like a lot of the guys here that believe similar to you.

It's just these beliefs about women man, smh, what else can I say?

Your woman having "Confidence" is bad, so right there your woman can't have hardly ANY amount of love for herself inside. She needs to be humble, submissive, and just WORSHIP the almighty you?

Str8up how can you NOT see that that's insecurity? YOU on the inside have low self esteem and are THREATEN at the site of a woman with confidence.

For the record, Confidence is extreme comfortableness with yourself and this sometimes is TAKEN as arrogance by other people. This goes with men and women.

Hell, I would LOVE my girl to BE ARROGANT and LOVE HERSELF, hell I love myself and I'm sometimes seen as arrogant by others, but I know I'm a great person.

They say LIKE ATTRACTS LIKE, I guess the reason I'm successful with women is because I have high self esteem, don't have senseless insecurities about a woman's "Confidence", so I attract the high quality women who sex me great, give me things, and give me the best loving available.

I guess this is why you guys aren't obtaining this, because you are scared of Confidence women and thus if the woman isn't a low self esteem submissive little puppy dog, she doesn't qualify as "high quality."

With that, I'm leaving this discussion, this is starting to piss me off.

 

[guru1000]

The most healthy relationship is when there is TWO INDEPENDENT people with HIGH SELF ESTEEM who share a common INTEREST. In this situation, the common interest is the romantic and sexual MOMENTS

.

Ok so not a MAN-WOMAN relationship. Just two people with COMMON INTERESTS. You are not the protector or provider, you both are.
Two equals, MASCULINE WOMAN with a FEMININE MAN.

Nobody has to "bow down" to anybody, I don't care what LAW or RULE WRITTEN BY GOD OR NATURE that says this crap.

Didn't know bowing down was a requirement of assuming a FEMININE ROLE.

First off, MEN wrote all of that bull crap so who's NOT to say the Holy Bible isn't just another DJ Bible? A Bible formed and created by the Beta Males of society who seek to CONTROL others and women because they are too afraid to CONTROL themselves?

Maybe so

Although there is no need to reinvent the wheel if it worked.

Marriages worked back then.

 

[joekerr31]

I've been saying this for a long time now. The majority of the problems that exist between male/female relationships today are caused by women trying to assume a masculine role, thus leaving a vacuum, which sucks men into a FEMININE role. So now we have a bunch of "strong, independent" who "no longer need men" walking around with an attitude because they can "stand on their own two feet".

I want one of those kinds of women. Where do I sign up?

i dont know about this. just about any woman i meet i can "put her in her place" simply by staring her down.

im not saying staring her down in a mean aggressive way. but any woman out there, if you stare them in the eye with confidence and dominance, what you will see staring back is a human being who is unsure of themselves.

women are actresses - let them know that you aren't buying in to the surface presentation and they crumble pretty quickly.

 

[STR8UP]

i dont know about this. just about any woman i meet i can "put her in her place" simply by staring her down.

im not saying staring her down in a mean aggressive way. but any woman out there, if you stare them in the eye with confidence and dominance, what you will see staring back is a human being who is unsure of themselves.

women are actresses - let them know that you aren't buying in to the surface presentation and they crumble pretty quickly.

I agree. But I don't want a woman like that. I want a woman who naturally follows my lead. I don't want to have to "break" her. I want to look at a woman and see FEMININE qualities.

 

[wjh]

wait,

is someone hinting that women are NOT more masculine in this day and age?

or that men are NOT more feminine in this day and age?

if you prefer a more traditionally feminine woman, then so be it. if you're having a hard time finding that, i can sympathize. but that sympathy only goes so far.

frustration for a dj or a mature man can, and should, only motivate you to want to improve yourself to better your odds of finding the more feminine woman.

what more do you want? a social revolution? it all starts with you. i know i'm not ghandi, or buddah. i know that in my life i only have the options that i have. my circumstances largely determine what my potential is.

if i were handicapped, in a wheelchair, i could not realistically say i could be a professional high-jumper and compete in the 2008 olympics.

what's my point? my point is that your own frustrations can only serve to motivate you to improve your own life first. if you don't, you're a hypocrite.

this forum has been a great educational source for me. most importantly it's helped me realize that everything that i want, everything that i'm capable of, is within my reach. the longer i dabble on the larger social forces that inflict me, my friends, my neighbors, the less time i spend working on improving myself.

it's survival of the fittest, in my opinion.

i've done more for myself, improved upon my successes most often when i've decided to shut off any external influences and work on that which is important to my future and potential.

i may be younger than most of you, but i'm definitely not as disgruntled as some.

STR8, i think you're a smart dude. but to be honest, your focus seems to be on the fact that women are in fact rewarded for their misbehaviors. ok, i can agree with that to an extent. i can agree to the fact that there seems to be no consequence to many actions women make. but i don't believe that's the whole story. if every man, one man at a time, decided they would not reward that behavior, it would eventually cease.

regardless, it all starts with you.

what will you do tomorrow that will improve your life? post on SS about a mishap? post on SS about a failure? post on SS about a revelation?

how about an hour at the gym? how about a half hour at a coffee shop meeting new women you may find attractive and interesting (and yes maybe even confident and not arrogant)?

i again wish you luck and the best.

 

[STR8UP]

^^^^^^^Good post!^^^^^^^

On that note, I am out of here for awhile. You guys can hash this out more if you want but I won't be posting anymore for the time being. You guys are great. I've made some friends on here, even met some in real life. i hope to stay in touch with you guys.

 

[ThunderMaverick]

ThunderMaverick you said this:

"Coming to STR8's defense about the whole male/female disadvantage, I think Gerard is wrong on saying society treats women as "sex objects". They're now called "sex symbols". Strippers and pornstars are now empowered. Women are FOOLED into thinking this is power when all it is doing is giving them false hope. They look into the mirror and what they see isn't "perfect". They hate themselves..."

Again I ask the question, who MADE women into "sex symbols" did women do that or did MEN who have majority of the advantages in the world, who run the media, run the corporations, place women up like that and influence society to SEE women in such fashion? It's called brainwashing and using the consumer men's own internal pervertness to make a dollar. So I guess you are saying that WOMEN made themselves sex symbols? If that is what you are saying, please go back here > www.google.com and try again pal.

I'll ask a question with a question; So are you implying women are victims now and are using their exploited selves to serve their own purposes? And no I never said that women made themselves sex symbols.

Nice try one upping me, ?pal"

Who ever came up with the idea of female "empowerment" is irrelevant. I'll just repeat myself:

Women are FOOLED into thinking this is power when all it is doing is giving them false hope. They look into the mirror and what they see isn't "perfect". They hate themselves...


Go educate some women if you feel they're so used and abused.

 

[joekerr31]

Majority of women today are high quality, by the simple notion that more women today then ever before are INDEPENDENT. They don't need a man for hardly NOTHING. This means when you are dealing with women today, unlike 50 years ago or so, you don't have someone who's looking to LEAN ON YOU so you can take care of them, they can take care of themselves and YOU TOO.

More men today are high quality then low quality, because of the simple fact of OPPORTUNITY being more PRESENT today then ever before. You have more people going to college, opening businesses, and being successful TODAY then years ago those opportunities would have been only in the DREAM WORLD. .

This is why I said that Str8up's internal beliefs are wrong, wrong, wrong.

i agree with this 99%.

as for the 1% where i disagree, its based on this.... i go back to my fantasy versus reality thread.

people today are healthier, richer, more educated, have access to more resources that apply to their health, mind, career, etc.

the problem? people are also brainwashed with the most absurd ideas like never before. in the old days it was very simple. man wants to f*ck woman. woman wants to marry man. merger complete, sign the contract with God and get on with making babies.

now a days though, precisely because we have so much time to 'think' about our lives in conjunction WITH a plethora of media sources telling us how we should think (all of wish are totally unrealistic), that we are in a constant state of 'the grass is always greener'.

the easier life has gotten, the harder its gotten. its kind of like, the less you exercise (and exercise is 'hard' while not exercising is 'easy') the harder it gets to feel good and move around.

the very thing that provides us with the opportunity to evolve (ie. a break from the pressures of simply surviving) is the very thing that is causing people to constantly be thinking about how their life could be 'better'.

i'd describe our current state as 'transitional' - and transitions are usually painful.

our brains are filled with silly fantasies that won't ever come true - unrealistic concepts of physical beauty, financial success, etc.

in 2005 over 10 million elective cosmetic procedures were done in the usa (hair transplants, boob jobs, eyelids, tummy tucks, etc.)

people aren't living in the real world anymore. they are doing their damndest to turn their life into something that reflects melrose place.

its a very strange phenomena thats occuring out there in the world. your average person is more knowledgeable about politics, finances, psychology, relationships, etc. - they are becoming 'higher quality' in the sense of making more of the right choices across the board (or at least more informed choices).

but at the same time, as a dual track if you will, they are also making some very 'low quality' and childish decisions based on the brainwashing they have undergone from movies, television and magazines.

like i say, we are in transition. theres a battle going on out there between superficiality / immaturity (fueled by consumerism and the marketing powers that be) and substance / maturity (fueled by academia and subject matter experts being able to get their knowledge out to the masses via books, television, internet, etc.) - and as this goes on in the real world, you see it reflects in people, they are fighting the same battle inside themselves that is going on outside in the real world.

 

[joekerr31]

Women are FOOLED into thinking this is power when all it is doing is giving them false hope. They look into the mirror and what they see isn't "perfect". They hate themselves...

anyone, including men, who base their self value on external variables, will hate themselves.

women are more prone to doing this because men are very overtly superficial - we make no bones about the fact that we like t*ts and *ss. women are just as superficial, but they are covert about it. moreover, men are aware that women care about a lot more than simply our looks. whereas women are very aware that their looks are absolutely critical in attracting a man.

that said, there are plenty of men and women who have come to accept themselves. it doesn't mean they think they are perfect. nor does it mean they let themselves go to hell and consider that to be just fine.

it means they accept what they have to work with. they don't work out simply to get the best man they can find - they work out to be healthy, increase their energy, and yes, optimize their attractiveness (but just as much for their own satisfaction as others).

anyway, T&A isn't real 'power'. nor is being rich. there are plenty of rich guys who can buy all the T&A you coudl ever want.

but neither T&A nor money will buy you trust, love, honesty, etc.

T&A will get men to lust after you. and money will get women to sleep with you. but neither will get you want you actually want - which is an intimate bond with another human being as you experience life.

only genuine character and maturity will get you that - and as such character is the only real 'power' in this world, because all things that it interacts with creates authentic outcomes (as opposed to temporary outcomes which fall apart the moment whatever was holding them up is gone - ie. T&A or money or whatever).

 

[iqqi]

anyone, including men, who base their self value on external variables, will hate themselves.

women are more prone to doing this because men are very overtly superficial - we make no bones about the fact that we like t*ts and *ss. women are just as superficial, but they are covert about it. moreover, men are aware that women care about a lot more than simply our looks. whereas women are very aware that their looks are absolutely critical in attracting a man.

that said, there are plenty of men and women who have come to accept themselves. it doesn't mean they think they are perfect. nor does it mean they let themselves go to hell and consider that to be just fine.

it means they accept what they have to work with. they don't work out simply to get the best man they can find - they work out to be healthy, increase their energy, and yes, optimize their attractiveness (but just as much for their own satisfaction as others).

anyway, T&A isn't real 'power'. nor is being rich. there are plenty of rich guys who can buy all the T&A you coudl ever want.

but neither T&A nor money will buy you trust, love, honesty, etc.

T&A will get men to lust after you. and money will get women to sleep with you. but neither will get you want you actually want - which is an intimate bond with another human being as you experience life.

only genuine character and maturity will get you that - and as such character is the only real 'power' in this world, because all things that it interacts with creates authentic outcomes (as opposed to temporary outcomes which fall apart the moment whatever was holding them up is gone - ie. T&A or money or whatever).

Absolutely excellent post.

 

[ketostix]

i agree with this 99%.

as for the 1% where i disagree, its based on this.... i go back to my fantasy versus reality thread.

people today are healthier, richer, more educated, have access to more resources that apply to their health, mind, career, etc.

the problem? people are also brainwashed with the most absurd ideas like never before. in the old days it was very simple. man wants to f*ck woman. woman wants to marry man. merger complete, sign the contract with God and get on with making babies.

now a days though, precisely because we have so much time to 'think' about our lives in conjunction WITH a plethora of media sources telling us how we should think (all of wish are totally unrealistic), that we are in a constant state of 'the grass is always greener'.

the easier life has gotten, the harder its gotten. its kind of like, the less you exercise (and exercise is 'hard' while not exercising is 'easy') the harder it gets to feel good and move around.

the very thing that provides us with the opportunity to evolve (ie. a break from the pressures of simply surviving) is the very thing that is causing people to constantly be thinking about how their life could be 'better'.

i'd describe our current state as 'transitional' - and transitions are usually painful.

our brains are filled with silly fantasies that won't ever come true - unrealistic concepts of physical beauty, financial success, etc.

in 2005 over 10 million elective cosmetic procedures were done in the usa (hair transplants, boob jobs, eyelids, tummy tucks, etc.)

people aren't living in the real world anymore. they are doing their damndest to turn their life into something that reflects melrose place.

its a very strange phenomena thats occuring out there in the world. your average person is more knowledgeable about politics, finances, psychology, relationships, etc. - they are becoming 'higher quality' in the sense of making more of the right choices across the board (or at least more informed choices).

but at the same time, as a dual track if you will, they are also making some very 'low quality' and childish decisions based on the brainwashing they have undergone from movies, television and magazines.

like i say, we are in transition. theres a battle going on out there between superficiality / immaturity (fueled by consumerism and the marketing powers that be) and substance / maturity (fueled by academia and subject matter experts being able to get their knowledge out to the masses via books, television, internet, etc.) - and as this goes on in the real world, you see it reflects in people, they are fighting the same battle inside themselves that is going on outside in the real world.

I would disagree that people are higher quality today. I definitely don't think women are higher quality. Women are fatter than ever and as entitled as ever. I think people are more competitive, jealous and meanspirited than in the past recent history. I'm not trying to sound negative I'm just calling things as the evidence appears to be. I'm not even really blaming people, but people don't seem real or have character and scruples as much as they did even 10-15 years ago. Life in the US has become very competitive and basically cut throat. There's just not the freedom and opportunity that there use to be. Most of our industry has been outsourced and thin attractive women are rarer and treated as if they're celebrities.

Are a very small percentage of guys maybe 10-20% doing better than ever economically and with women? Yeah, but it's the average good guy that takes the brunt of it.

 

[lookyoung]

I definitely don't think women are higher quality. Women are fatter than ever and as entitled as ever. I'm not trying to sound negative I'm just calling things as the evidence appears to be. I'm not even really blaming people, but people don't seem real or have character and scruples as much as they did even 10-15 years ago.

Woman are much worse than they were 10-15 years ago. I believe that that woman changed more in the last 15 years than the 100 years before that. Blame that on the feminist movement and all the AFC sissies that put up with womans BS just because they think that they can get a piece of azz.

 

[ThunderMaverick]

I'd have to agree that there are TONS of low quality women out there. Guys too. I've met more low quality people that high quality.

 

[JLR]

I'd have to agree that there are TONS of low quality women out there. Guys too. I've met more low quality people that high quality.

Sad, but true.... I have a somewhat arbitrary guideline/understanding: 90% of the people I meet, from the get go, aren't worth my time. That's 90% of all people, not just women.

 

[iqqi]

Sad, but true.... I have a somewhat arbitrary guideline/understanding: 90% of the people I meet, from the get go, aren't worth my time. That's 90% of all people, not just women.

I find this to be true, as well.

You just have to know what people are good for. Some of them are just there for entertainment!