Kev07
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well said wyldfire.
Hello Friend,
If this is your first visit to SoSuave, I would advise you to START HERE.
It will be the most efficient use of your time.
And you will learn everything you need to know to become a huge success with women.
Thank you for visiting and have a great day!
Feminist reaction to sosuave
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Oh...and about how women who discover this site react to it...
I've been here for a long time. When I first came here it was very different. The guys were a lot more mature and were more geared towards finding a quality woman for a relationship. Over the last few years the site has changed into something entirely different. Most of the guys on here claim to only be looking for sex and no relationship. However, I personally think most of that is just a bunch of guys trying to impress each other by trying to "out-arsehole" each other. The end result of that is that any woman who sees this site for the first time now is going to view men in a very negative light. I'm being very honest with you guys...truth be told...you DO sound like a bunch of guys no woman in their right mind would ever want to even date, let alone have a relationship with. It didn't used to be that way. I'm an extremely tolerant person, and there is only a very few posters on here I would even want to be friends with, let alone anything else. There's an awful lot of ugliness on this site, and sadly, I really don't think most of it is real. I think most of it is a bunch of confused guys "fronting" attitudes and personalities that they think the rest of the community expect from them.
It's not only feminists who would find much of what is posted here to be offensive. Any woman would be insulted and offended by it. I'd rather have my daughter tell me she is a lesbian or is marrying a homeless bum than to ever have her date someone from this site. No woman would ever view men from this site as "the prize" based on the crap posted here. That is the way men are portrayed here...and it's not a very good portrayal.
Now, before anyone gets ticked off at me...I am speaking in GENERAL, and I know that not all of the guys here fit into the overall portrayal of men here. Sadly, however, any woman who passes through is going to be left with a VERY negative image of men...and it WILL affect whatever men she gets involved with. This community is helping to bring pain to other men and creating more women who will screw guys over. I don't view that as a good thing...especially when I know most of the trash talk is just a bunch of BS.
I've been here for a long time. When I first came here it was very different. The guys were a lot more mature and were more geared towards finding a quality woman for a relationship. Over the last few years the site has changed into something entirely different. Most of the guys on here claim to only be looking for sex and no relationship. However, I personally think most of that is just a bunch of guys trying to impress each other by trying to "out-arsehole" each other. The end result of that is that any woman who sees this site for the first time now is going to view men in a very negative light. I'm being very honest with you guys...truth be told...you DO sound like a bunch of guys no woman in their right mind would ever want to even date, let alone have a relationship with. It didn't used to be that way. I'm an extremely tolerant person, and there is only a very few posters on here I would even want to be friends with, let alone anything else. There's an awful lot of ugliness on this site, and sadly, I really don't think most of it is real. I think most of it is a bunch of confused guys "fronting" attitudes and personalities that they think the rest of the community expect from them.
It's not only feminists who would find much of what is posted here to be offensive. Any woman would be insulted and offended by it. I'd rather have my daughter tell me she is a lesbian or is marrying a homeless bum than to ever have her date someone from this site. No woman would ever view men from this site as "the prize" based on the crap posted here. That is the way men are portrayed here...and it's not a very good portrayal.
Now, before anyone gets ticked off at me...I am speaking in GENERAL, and I know that not all of the guys here fit into the overall portrayal of men here. Sadly, however, any woman who passes through is going to be left with a VERY negative image of men...and it WILL affect whatever men she gets involved with. This community is helping to bring pain to other men and creating more women who will screw guys over. I don't view that as a good thing...especially when I know most of the trash talk is just a bunch of BS.
Call me what you want, wayword...but the fact of the matter is...I am happy, have had two great loves in my life, have a wonderful family, and don't ever look to another person to fulfil or complete my life. I'm blessed and if I were to die tomorrow I would have no regrets and would not feel like I missed out on anything. I seriously doubt that you could say the same...wayword said:
nonchalant
Senior Don Juan
Holland said:
LEAVE THE THREAD OPEN
who are you to say to close it azzhole?
Go post in the thousands of other bull**** threads about 'be a man ' or 'looks don't matter' - leave my thread alone.
Holland said:
Holland, the very sad fact is that virtually all of this site has become negative. It didn't used to be like this...but it has changed so much that it's not anything like what it was when I first came here. Allen should never have allowed the anti-feminists to change this site from a dating advice site into a recruiting center for men's rights.
This site taught me a lot more than just picking up women. While I don't usually like pulling quotes from movies, this little 2 minute speech from Rocky Balboa sums it up nicely:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBtO8Ay1MNk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBtO8Ay1MNk
TylerDurden
Don Juan
LOLWyldfire said:
Uh, I think both are critical to our well-being and what's wrong with men's rights, anyways? Or anti-feminism/misandrism?Wyldfire said:
*Gasp*
WAKE UP WOMAN - those are all GOOD THINGS for MEN...and an orderly society, to be frank.
What's the matter - afraid of men finally wising up and demanding some truth & fairness in life? Afraid of a dog that no longer wants to be kicked around when lying down? Aww, go cry yourself to sleep then. femtw@t.
Vulpine
Master Don Juan
You are overlooking, perhaps intentionally to add weight to your claims, the most obvious and critical element:Wyldfire said:
This is a men's website.
How men act and speak to each other is one thing. How men act and speak in the presence of the opposite sex is another. Any woman here is eavesdropping. If women don't like it, tough rocks: you've got no business here, so keep your grievances to yourself.
The same could be said about men eavesdropping on women. If a man overheard any candid women's discussions, they could be insulted and offended by it. I've been exposed to candid conversations amongst women many times, and women discuss the raunchiest, nastiest, objectifying crap! And, it seems that in those "candid conversations" women are trying to "out slvt" each other.
How come noone claims to be a "Masculist"?
Ok, I will: being masculist, I must point out that listening to women talk about d!ck sizes, shoe sizes, the kind of car a man drives, what a man does for a living, "there are no good men left", and complaining about guys staring at their cleavage is obnoxious and offensive.
And, oh look! Being a masculist, in a men's forum, I'm right!
Noone is forcing women and/or feminists to click-click-click onto this site just as noone is forcing them to click their way to beastiality or BBW websites. Take your joy-robbing somewhere else. Your $.02 is more like ¢.02 around here: it's trolling in it's purest. Arguing for the sake of arguing... and trying to drum up sympathy for feminists? In a men's forum? A men's forum where men are trying to learn to reclaim their masculinity that has become taboo in modern western society? And you want us to feel bad about something???? You want to lay on some guilt for what now?
If you don't care for any aspect of a men's forum - the solution is to not visit the men's forum. The solution is not complain to everyone and anyone who will listen about how evil men and men's forums are.
That post I made is a perfect example of what I am saying. This site HAS become a cesspool of hatred...especially in the Mature Men section. I had to leave for awhile because the overall attitude on this site was so disgusting and hateful that I was afraid it would cause me to view all men negatively. I didn't want to do that so I left.TylerDurden said:
I had come back after my best friend and the man I loved died...and I was attacked, flamed, insulted, etc. If some of the men on here would treat a non-feminist woman with a very positive view of men in such a disgusting and hateful way, how do you expect the average woman to view the men on this site?
The truly mature and quality men on this site need to stand up and take this site back.
Masculism, just like feminism embraces victimhood, teaches excuse-making, weakness of character and fear and breed hatred.wayword said:
Radicalism is evil, regardless of what form/cause it takes.
I'm neither a feminist or a masculinist...I'm a Humanist. That means I prefer to promote things that will benefit everyone, hurt none and make things better for everyone all at once. I don't feel compelled to fight against anyone...because I know more gets accomplished when everyone is on the same team.
Re;
If there's anything I know about women, they don't initiate much. Meaning, if men foster this attitude of "the American Woman," and label every girl they see, your reality is colored with BAD women. This will on be reinforced further, because you'll go pursue 100 women as the "bible" tells you, only to find 99 of them confirm the feelings about American women...that they are (blank).
Fact is...life, women, are only what you THINK they are. You guys aren't DATING all the women out there. You're dating one at a time (unless you're having 3-somes). Only 1 can be present with attention focused.
Tell me, if the market produced CRAPPY autos, wouldn't an auto maker find a solution for this and profit by it? Are all women to be labeled as such just by being born within the boarders of our country?
This MENTALITY is fostered BECAUSE of the focus on this movement, which has done it's work, and now it's over. MOST women don't even comprehend it from it's origins, so why bother? You're here not to tackle world issues, but to find and learn about how to have deeper, more successful relationships without resorting to drop thousands on workshops.
One can't focus on WANTING better women, or HAVING better experiences with women, yet let that little seed of corruption embed itself in your mind. It colors reality. I live near Boston, a fairly wealthy section of the country. As such people experience a higher standard of living. Yet, I'm not complaining about "American Women." EMBRACE what's good, DISCARD what's bad.
If you're women doesn't make you happy, dump her.
If you're surrounded by women who don't fit the bill, say bye bye.
But learn to find the POSITIVE points, because even that's a habit which is hard to formulate, and that's CHARISMA.
And quite possibly it's a maturity thing. I can't CREATE in your reality. But you get what you think. This *thing* we call life, is only what you make it to be.
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Alot of guys pursue this path with the WRONG lens pulled over their eyes. The *reason* for coming here is pain, and as such they aren't really here. They're are *over there*, brining forward something that happened in the past, hoping to learn something that would have made things better then, only to find what they want is obsolete and outdated. You can't go back in time, and doing this stuff from the vantage of point of fixing a past wrong or situation doesn't work either.
You go forward, from here. But one must plant seeds of positivity. If you're some A-Hole convict and you just want hot women, you'll get hot women, that are trash. You get what you are. Guys who are aholes generally get similar women in return, because they're the only 1's who can tolerate that sort of behavior. Is that what you want?
It isn't rocket science. Guys who are bitter and so held up in Feminism, will find women who fit that profile and enforce that reality. Guys who focus on finding loving, beautiful, fun women, will find that, too. Their mind will be open to it. They will notice things they haven't noticed. Your TRUE vision only sees the world with the beliefs you have. As such, you're only seeing the FEMINIST women who enforce your reality so you can return here and say how BAD feminism and women are...instead of saying, "I'm bad because I think poorly of all women and all I do is seek excuses instead of results."
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An even better example would be...When was the LAST time something positive, productive, and results-oriented was posted by a SoSuave member that was enjoyed by?
Is it outweighed by negativity? Probably.
Tip the scales. Start ADDING heaps to the positive side of the ledger. You want positive change? Start focusing on the POSITIVE in your life. Start small. Start by embracing a positive relationship and encouraging that one more. Start by doing more with and for your body. Start by digging deeper into a habit or hobby you like. You don't need HUGE long-term goals, just small ones that amount to big ones over time that send your life that way. We ask such BIG questions, and in sales they teach not to do so, because it generally binds the mind of your customer up so poorly nothing gets done. CHUNK it down (NLP term), and break it into pieces. Find things to be thankful for. Find things you can build upon. Go in that direction. You needn't know where you're setting your ship's course, because even if you command a ship as big as a cruise ship, even that ship is thrown off course man times and corrects. We do the same.
Good luck,
A-Unit
If there's anything I know about women, they don't initiate much. Meaning, if men foster this attitude of "the American Woman," and label every girl they see, your reality is colored with BAD women. This will on be reinforced further, because you'll go pursue 100 women as the "bible" tells you, only to find 99 of them confirm the feelings about American women...that they are (blank).
Fact is...life, women, are only what you THINK they are. You guys aren't DATING all the women out there. You're dating one at a time (unless you're having 3-somes). Only 1 can be present with attention focused.
Tell me, if the market produced CRAPPY autos, wouldn't an auto maker find a solution for this and profit by it? Are all women to be labeled as such just by being born within the boarders of our country?
This MENTALITY is fostered BECAUSE of the focus on this movement, which has done it's work, and now it's over. MOST women don't even comprehend it from it's origins, so why bother? You're here not to tackle world issues, but to find and learn about how to have deeper, more successful relationships without resorting to drop thousands on workshops.
One can't focus on WANTING better women, or HAVING better experiences with women, yet let that little seed of corruption embed itself in your mind. It colors reality. I live near Boston, a fairly wealthy section of the country. As such people experience a higher standard of living. Yet, I'm not complaining about "American Women." EMBRACE what's good, DISCARD what's bad.
If you're women doesn't make you happy, dump her.
If you're surrounded by women who don't fit the bill, say bye bye.
But learn to find the POSITIVE points, because even that's a habit which is hard to formulate, and that's CHARISMA.
And quite possibly it's a maturity thing. I can't CREATE in your reality. But you get what you think. This *thing* we call life, is only what you make it to be.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Alot of guys pursue this path with the WRONG lens pulled over their eyes. The *reason* for coming here is pain, and as such they aren't really here. They're are *over there*, brining forward something that happened in the past, hoping to learn something that would have made things better then, only to find what they want is obsolete and outdated. You can't go back in time, and doing this stuff from the vantage of point of fixing a past wrong or situation doesn't work either.
You go forward, from here. But one must plant seeds of positivity. If you're some A-Hole convict and you just want hot women, you'll get hot women, that are trash. You get what you are. Guys who are aholes generally get similar women in return, because they're the only 1's who can tolerate that sort of behavior. Is that what you want?
It isn't rocket science. Guys who are bitter and so held up in Feminism, will find women who fit that profile and enforce that reality. Guys who focus on finding loving, beautiful, fun women, will find that, too. Their mind will be open to it. They will notice things they haven't noticed. Your TRUE vision only sees the world with the beliefs you have. As such, you're only seeing the FEMINIST women who enforce your reality so you can return here and say how BAD feminism and women are...instead of saying, "I'm bad because I think poorly of all women and all I do is seek excuses instead of results."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
An even better example would be...When was the LAST time something positive, productive, and results-oriented was posted by a SoSuave member that was enjoyed by?
Is it outweighed by negativity? Probably.
Tip the scales. Start ADDING heaps to the positive side of the ledger. You want positive change? Start focusing on the POSITIVE in your life. Start small. Start by embracing a positive relationship and encouraging that one more. Start by doing more with and for your body. Start by digging deeper into a habit or hobby you like. You don't need HUGE long-term goals, just small ones that amount to big ones over time that send your life that way. We ask such BIG questions, and in sales they teach not to do so, because it generally binds the mind of your customer up so poorly nothing gets done. CHUNK it down (NLP term), and break it into pieces. Find things to be thankful for. Find things you can build upon. Go in that direction. You needn't know where you're setting your ship's course, because even if you command a ship as big as a cruise ship, even that ship is thrown off course man times and corrects. We do the same.
Good luck,
A-Unit
Kev07
Master Don Juan
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I might not have been here for long, but I know what you're talking about.
I've seen many other quality forums degraded by what you described.
I've seen many other quality forums degraded by what you described.
Vulpine...I joined this site a very long time ago...and it used to be a very positive site with a lot of advice and moral support. There was a real sense of community. It HAS changed and not for the better. You guys don't support each other or even offer any useful advice anymore. It's all insulting each other, a bunch of immature guys "jockeying" with puffery to appear to be more "alpha" than the next guy. Most of the "advice" reeks of insecurity and fear. There is almost never any true solutions to anything offered. The main advice is "hurry up and run away"...FEAR. This site now portrays the guys here (in general) as being a bunch of angry,frustrated, mean, terrified men who use "feminism" and "all women are the same" as an excuse to run like a pansy because they are afraid of failing in a relationship. I wish I were just making this up, but sadly, I'm not. I've been trying for ages to help you guys see what you're doing to yourselves. Most women who come here don't give a rat's arse. I've been a member a long time...and I DO care about this site and I WANT to see all of you find a quality partner and be happy. That's why I keep coming back despite the abuse hurled at me...because I care and I genuinely want to help. Yes, sometimes I'm harsh...but sometimes you guys need that.
WRONG. You are a liberal feminist-in-denial.Wyldfire said:
And I don't know what world you're living in, but 40% of American babies are now born to single moms and the divorce rate has skyrocketed to 50% over the last generation after 2nd-wave feminism. Patrarchies responsibly provide for and keep families together. Feminism doesn't. Thus, this country is rapidly degenerating into a socialist welfare state...
And it's now been revealed that 2nd-wave feminism was funded by the Rockefe1ler Foundation and the C1A to DESTROY THE FAMILY UNIT & double the tax base by getting women to work. So, this was all no coincidence, either!
Anyhow, aside from the bigger picture, did you know that a man can be forced to pay child support for a baby that is not even biologically his? Simply because the baby needs a father, regardless of who it is? Opposing this is not "embracing victimhood," you idiot tw@t - it is MANNING UP and fighting TRUE INJUSTICE!
And there are countless other issues JUST LIKE THESE! So, if you think demanding an end to grossly unfair feminist BS is "victimhood," then YES, YOU ARE A CARD-CARRYING FEMINIST BICH.Quit denying it and go spew your misandrist agenda elsewhere.
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
:crackup:wayword said:
:crackup: :crackup:Is anyone keeping track of noteworthy one liners?
Vulpine
Master Don Juan
Well, please accept my most sincere appologies. I had mistaken you for a concern troll.
concern troll (plural concern trolls)
1. Someone who posts to an internet forum or newsgroup, claiming to share its goals while deliberately working against those goals--typically, by claiming "concern" about group plans to engage in productive activity, urging members instead to attempt some activity that would damage the group's credibility, or alternatively to give up on group projects entirely.
However, since you've been here a long time, I must surely be wrong. Will you please forgive me, Wyldfire?
concern troll (plural concern trolls)
1. Someone who posts to an internet forum or newsgroup, claiming to share its goals while deliberately working against those goals--typically, by claiming "concern" about group plans to engage in productive activity, urging members instead to attempt some activity that would damage the group's credibility, or alternatively to give up on group projects entirely.
However, since you've been here a long time, I must surely be wrong. Will you please forgive me, Wyldfire?
^ You can call yourself what you want, but your comments reveal otherwise. Yes, you do profess a modicum of empathy for men, but a good bulk of your views still fall within the feminist, woman-first spectrum.
But, look what feminists are already trying to do to stop that from happening with women! These women REALLY HATE MEN and are in an ALL-OUT war against us!
You see how feminists are fighting against our welfare at every turn now? And we NEED to be fighting back? Which is not "victimhood," but MANNING UP.
Well, it took a foreign automaker (Japan) to break the cozy domestic auto monopoly here in the 70s. Until that happened, there was no reason for any domestic maker to upgrade - in a limited market, people had to buy what they were selling. And were it not for the Japanese, we'd still all be driving 2-ton rustbuckets today.A-Unit said:
But, look what feminists are already trying to do to stop that from happening with women! These women REALLY HATE MEN and are in an ALL-OUT war against us!
You see how feminists are fighting against our welfare at every turn now? And we NEED to be fighting back? Which is not "victimhood," but MANNING UP.
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