Don't Need Women

[zekko]

The key point: toppings/desserts are an option that any successful man can choose to indulge or to dismiss. His decision to disinclude those desserts from his life only indicates that he values female companionship less than you do and doesn't use relationships with women as a life success barometer.

I might be able to take your post seriously except for this one fact:
There isn't a single guy here who has chosen to disinclude women from his life, except for on a temporary basis. As I said myself, I had to sacrifice women (and other things) from my life when I was getting my degree and working full time. But there was no question that was a temporary sacrifice.

Whether it be on a LTR, FB, ONS, or plate spinning basis, men want women in their life. You can argue about semantics, but this want is so strong that it is barely distinguishable from need. If this were not true, this forum would not exist. If a guy on this forum wants to brag, he talks about all the women he is banging, or the number of women who are banging on his door, or all the things his woman is willing to do for him - this gives him credibility here.

I've yet to see ONE man here decide to disinclude women from his life (permanently). And I don't expect to see one either, unless as I said he is someone like a monk who is choosing to deny his physical urges for a higher purpose. Would you like to be the first? I tend to doubt it.

 

[Senzoi]

I might be able to take your post seriously except for this one fact:
There isn't a single guy here who has chosen to disinclude women from his life, except for on a temporary basis. As I said myself, I had to sacrifice women (and other things) from my life when I was getting my degree and working full time. But there was no question that was a temporary sacrifice.

Whether it be on a LTR, FB, ONS, or plate spinning basis, men want women in their life. You can argue about semantics, but this want is so strong that it is barely distinguishable from need. If this were not true, this forum would not exist. If a guy on this forum wants to brag, he talks about all the women he is banging, or the number of women who are banging on his door, or all the things his woman is willing to do for him - this gives him credibility here.

I've yet to see ONE man here decide to disinclude women from his life (permanently). And I don't expect to see one either, unless as I said he is someone like a monk who is choosing to deny his physical urges for a higher purpose. Would you like to be the first? I tend to doubt it.

All that I'm getting from this is that I understand you're addressing a demographic that perhaps values women as much as you've been conditioned to expect other men to value them.

This isn't a semantical issue - your need to identify men that choose to not involve women in their lives in any physically intimate way as monks only displays the relative narrowness of your reality tunnel.

I would concur that with a previous poster that your post may just be an offhand dismissal of MGTOW that have chosen to abstain from unnecessary companionship with women for various reasons.

~ Senzoi

 

[zekko]

All that I'm getting from this is that I understand you're addressing a demographic that perhaps values women as much as you've been conditioned to expect other men to value them.

You think I have women in my life because of social conditioning?
As opposed to a biological need for sex and companionship?
Lol, again I can't take you seriously.

You enjoy your life without women though, if that's what you're into.
Let us know how it works out for you.

This isn't a semantical issue - your need to identify men that choose to not involve women in their lives in any physically intimate way as monks only displays the relative narrowness of your reality tunnel.

Well, it's not just monks. There are also guys who have become extrememly bitter toward women (mainly because of their lack of success with them).

I would concur that with a previous poster that your post may just be an offhand dismissal of MGTOW that have chosen to abstain from unnecessary companionship with women for various reasons.

I checked out their home page. Rather tellingly, it mostly talks about women. It's a men's rights organization. Nowhere does it say anything about avoiding women altogether, or not having sex with them.

You're new here, you know nothing about me. I've said many times that due to the current culture, I can't recommend marriage.

 

[Senzoi]

You think I have women in my life because of social conditioning?
As opposed to a biological need for sex and companionship?

You've already demonstrated that through your scientifically and physiologically unsound statement. Presenting your urges as everyone else's biological 'need' does nothing to help further your stance.

You enjoy your life without women though, if that's what you're into.
Let us know how it works out for you.

Assuming I (or any man) chose to enjoy life without the need for female companionship, I would be more concerned about why anyone felt the need to project their requirement for it as an inavoidable rule for every other male to accept.

How about, enjoy your life, and don't worry about the rest of those that don't fit within your paradigm.

Well, it's not just monks. There are also guys who have become extrememly bitter toward women (mainly because of their lack of success with them).

In your world, the idea of a successful man being happy without romantic female companionship is unfathomable. Am I correct? I personally know three different, successful and satisfied straight men who have not engaged romantically with women for at least three years (the longest so far is 6). These are all men in good position to pick up decent women who all voluntarily opted out. Two of them were married and divorced, played the field for some years, then got tired of the time and money wasted and now just focus on their own hobbies. The third guy is more recently divorced, then chose to pay for escorts for a while - he eventually decided none of it was worth it with all the STDs running around (in 'regular' girls, too) and has been single for three years.

The world is far larger than what you seem to have made it to be, and men continue to live successful, satisfied lives without any compulsion to 'require' female companionship to complete their lives.

I checked out their home page. Rather tellingly, it mostly talks about women. It's a men's rights organization. Nowhere does it say anything about avoiding women altogether, or not having sex with them.

Let's clear up your complete ignorance about all of this. MGTOW and MRA are not the same thing. MRA are men who believe the legal system is inherently feminist and biased towards women, and they lobby and fight for more parity in the law by representing men's interests.

MGTOW are simply men who choose to go their own way outside of the existing societal structure and/or accompanying expectations. Whether that means completely avoiding women altogether(as above), becoming a serial monogamist, getting engaged and marrying to his high school sweetheart, or spinning 6 plates around and Don Juaning his way to self-actualization is his call to make.

You're new here

:crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup:

Alright, now I know how pretty and distracting the bright green bubbles can be, gramps... but once you renew your bifocal lens prescription, take a little look below the green lights to my join date, junior.

Now get back to me on that in another 6 years when you've finally caught up to the current 9 I've spent lurking, reading, and learning from the articles and forums instead of posting three times a day! :crackup:

you know nothing about me.

So what am I missing, Mystery Man? (Pun Intended)

 

[ilikecharlene]

There's a common saying around here that you should be able to be happy on your own, and that you shouldn't need women.

There's truth in that, but the fact is any well rounded successful man is not going to be satisfied without having women in his life. Either a good woman as an LTR or a string of women plates who come and go. What kind of guy is going to sit around while everybody around him is gaming women and getting laid? Isn't that the very definition of a chode?

I know there are times when you have to focus on your career or your education or whatnot, and you don't have time for women. I've been there myself, but I'm not talking about those times. Those times are meant to be temporary.

Women should be a byproduct of a successful life. If you don't have women or a woman, I would say that's a pretty strong indication that you're doing something wrong. Can you imagine a guy on this forum bragging about how successful he is but not having any women? If you're living a complete life, you're going to have females in it, unless you're a monk or a priest or something.

I used to believe this, but then I realised nobody really needs sex, dating and relationships. they are not absolutely necessary for a contented life. People are different, and there are many who don't actively date and are not worse for wear.

I think due to social pressure/popular culture, people feel forced to be on the hunt for women, but if sex/relationships were an absolute need then celibate and asexual people wouldn't exist.

 

[ilikecharlene]

I might be able to take your post seriously except for this one fact:
There isn't a single guy here who has chosen to disinclude women from his life, except for on a temporary basis. As I said myself, I had to sacrifice women (and other things) from my life when I was getting my degree and working full time. But there was no question that was a temporary sacrifice.

Whether it be on a LTR, FB, ONS, or plate spinning basis, men want women in their life. You can argue about semantics, but this want is so strong that it is barely distinguishable from need. If this were not true, this forum would not exist. If a guy on this forum wants to brag, he talks about all the women he is banging, or the number of women who are banging on his door, or all the things his woman is willing to do for him - this gives him credibility here.

I've yet to see ONE man here decide to disinclude women from his life (permanently). And I don't expect to see one either, unless as I said he is someone like a monk who is choosing to deny his physical urges for a higher purpose. Would you like to be the first? I tend to doubt it.

Is the fact that people have different ends, goals and purposes in life so shocking to you? What perchance defines "normal"?

 

[zekko]

You've already demonstrated that through your scientifically and physiologically unsound statement. Presenting your urges as everyone else's biological 'need' does nothing to help further your stance.

Maslow described sex and companionship as needs. It wasn't my idea. You can call it a deep desire or primal urge if you prefer.

I personally know three different, successful and satisfied straight men who have not engaged romantically with women for at least three years (the longest so far is 6). These are all men in good position to pick up decent women who all voluntarily opted out. Two of them were married and divorced, played the field for some years, then got tired of the time and money wasted and now just focus on their own hobbies. The third guy is more recently divorced, then chose to pay for escorts for a while - he eventually decided none of it was worth it with all the STDs running around (in 'regular' girls, too) and has been single for three years.

All three of those guys have been married, so obviously none of them have avoided women altogether. I did say that it was common for men to go extended periods of time without intimate involvement with the opposite gender. It was never my point to say otherwise.

Alright, now I know how pretty and distracting the bright green bubbles=Senzoi can be, gramps... but once you renew your bifocal lens prescription, take a little look below the green lights to my join date, junior.

If you've been here since '03, you should know that you are supposed to post your age in your profile to post in the Mature Man forum.

I used to believe this, but then I realised nobody really needs sex, dating and relationships. they are not absolutely necessary for a contented life.

I suppose not, there are exceptions to every rule. I have yet to meet a convincing example of this, however. And certainly none on this forum. Even your name is a reference to a woman.

 

[Senzoi]

Maslow described sex and companionship as needs. It wasn't my idea. You can call it a deep desire or primal urge if you prefer.There's a common saying around here that you should be able to be happy on your own, and that you shouldn't need women.

Don't blame another person's theory on sex as a need for your own decision to cop it as a factual truth. YOU stated that sex was necessary for happiness, in your own words, several times before deciding now was a convenient time to backpedal and blame Maslow for presenting a theory you take as truth.

All three of those guys have been married, so obviously none of them have avoided women altogether. I did say that it was common for men to go extended periods of time without intimate involvement with the opposite gender. It was never my point to say otherwise.

No - you stated very clearly, this:

There's truth in that, but the fact is any well rounded successful man is not going to be satisfied without having women in his life.

and

Women should be a byproduct of a successful life. If you don't have women or a woman, I would say that's a pretty strong indication that you're doing something wrong.

Those are your words alone. Once again, your need to use the presence (or lack thereof) of women in another man's life as a barometer for their success is laughable (the more extreme might say pathetic), and it only demonstrates the degree to which you associate women with success in your own life.

I still cannot understand why any man would suggest to another man that they need the companionship of a woman to legitimize their 'success' in life. It is, as others may term it, the convoluted logic and projections of a trapped and bound 'pvssybeggar'. :crackup:

If you've been here since '03, you should know that you are supposed to post your age in your profile to post in the Mature Man forum.

If I've been here since '03, the simplest math would indicate to you that there is an extremely small chance that I do not currently fit the age minimum for this forum. Sounds like you're focusing on a less relevant (irrelevant actually, considering that I wasn't under 16 when I started here) point to avoid the argument.

I suppose not, there are exceptions to every rule. I have yet to meet a convincing example of this, however. And certainly none on this forum. Even your name is a reference to a woman.

You've already been given three. Fortunately neither I nor Ilikecharlene hold the burden of proof in this - consider your three examples of men who continue to live happily and successfully without female companionship as a courtesy gift.

~ Senzoi

 

[zekko]

Those are your words alone. Once again, your need to use the presence (or lack thereof) of women in another man's life as a barometer for their success is laughable (the more extreme might say pathetic), and it only demonstrates the degree to which you associate women with success in your own life.

I do believe the statements that I made, which you put in bold letters.
If you don't have women in your life, I'd say that's an indication that there is a problem somewhere, possibly a deficiency in your social life.

And I do think that men are driven by a biological urge to have sex and/or sexual intimacy. I don't think that should be any groundbreaking news. I'm amazed that anyone would even want to debate it. Just because other people besides myself (Maslow) thought this before I did doesn't mean I'm "blaming him".

That said, there are always exceptions to every rule. Homosexuals, for example.

You've already been given three. Fortunately neither I nor Ilikecharlene hold the burden of proof in this - consider your three examples of men who continue to live happily and successfully without female companionship as a courtesy gift.

My example of a person living his life without women was a 35 year old virgin who had never kissed a girl or had a date. That's the kind of guy I was talking about. Most guys like that who have come here have been miserable.
Not a guy who was married and had his fill, and maybe even reproduced. I can see a guy "taking a vacation" from women after an unpleasant marital experience, although my guess is that at some point he's going to want to jump back into the pool, in some form or other.

As for "burden of proof", I'm just giving my opinion here. If you want to disagree, you are free to do so. Does anyone here want to live the rest of their lives without women (that means no sex, no one night stands, no companionship, no bl0wjobs in the car)? If so, sign up below.

But Senzoi, I'm glad I was able to stimulate you enough to get your post count up a bit.

 

[Senzoi]

Is the fact that people have different ends, goals and purposes in life so shocking to you? What perchance defines "normal"?

There are many people that are so conditioned to view reality a certain way that they cannot or will not accept other possibilities as real even in spite of men continuously living them out.

For some, that reality means pedestalizing women and/or requiring their companionship in order to legitimize their success. It's a common theme and is promulgated by media and these very same brainwashed men who deliberately encourage negative or dismissive stereotypes about men who willfully disregard women as a necessary component to their happiness.

For them, only 'bitter gay virgin monks' are the only ones that could ever conclude that female companionship is not a necessary component to self-fulfillment and happiness. The concept of a non-religious, straight, successful and sexually-experienced male acknowledging this truth, however, is blasphemy and lies, they say, blasphemy and lies! :crackup:

Just some food for thought. Enjoy your evening.

~ Senzoi

 

[ilikecharlene]

zekko, you're entitled to your views, but I must say I don't agree with them.

IMO, just by basic observation and understanding of how human beings are, sex is not required to be happy. it is a basic human drive, but not an absolute need. Very few things are.

And yes, my username features a woman's name, granted. But I still don't think I need a woman to be absolutely happy. As an analogy, it is like a computer or a TV, something nice to have but not categorically required for basic existence.

 

[zekko]

IMO, just by basic observation and understanding of how human beings are, sex is not required to be happy. it is a basic human drive, but not an absolute need. Very few things are.

And yes, my username features a woman's name, granted. But I still don't think I need a woman to be absolutely happy. As an analogy, it is like a computer or a TV, something nice to have but not categorically required for basic existence.

Maybe it is wrong to say that you need sex to be happy.
But it seems fairly obvious to me that the drive is strong enough that almost every guy at some point or other, is going to seek out sexual intimacy. Especially when you are younger, there are so many hormones coursing through you, few guys are going to just ignore it all.

Disgustipated has a current thread where he talks about how after you have so much experience, sex ceases to become that big of a deal. Also, as you get older, your testosterone falls off, and it has less of a hold on you.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=196391

There is no biological drive to have a computer so that may not be the best comparison. I think sexual intimacy goes a little beyond just something nice to have.

 

[Itsjustme]

Anyone can say they don't "need" a woman in their life but not everyone can mean it. It's a fine line to walk between want and need. When you need you try too hard, when you want but don't need it will just happen naturally.

All these old sayings that we've scoffed at forever hold the truth, the whole "just be yourself" thing is honestly the answer because in the long run if you can "just be yourself" and still have a woman by your side then you no longer "need" to pretend to be something that your not in order to attract women.

It's hard to understand until you get there, no i'm not there yet but I understand it more and more every day, having women in your life helps you understand these things.

Depending on them, clinging to them, worrying about what they're doing every minute you're not around and not being happy if you don't know, not being able to control them. That's "Needing" a woman because you're not happy if everything doesn't just fall into place.

You're never going to be able to control this, it's only once you have reached a place in your life that you don't depend on the woman for happiness. Once you reach that place that a woman "accentuates" your happiness that you will truly find that woman that you want to spend the rest of your life with.

Because as long as you are trying to control the situation, as long as you are exerting extra effort to keep the girl. You are pretending to be something you're not and eventually you're gonna get tired of that and start being yourself again. That's when everything goes wrong.

Once you are truly happy with yourself and no longer need the girl, you can let her come and go as she pleases and not worry about what she's doing when you're not around, hell at some point you might not even be attracted to her anymore but still wan't to keep her around to learn as much as you can. That's when you realize you're getting there and the whole picture starts to become a bit more clear.

No, I don't understand it all yet, but i'm getting there and i'm grateful for it. I don't ever want to be a burden on anyone's life, I want to "just be myself" and have them want to be a part of that. If i'm going to share my life with someone, I want them to feel the same way. That's essentially what it all boils down to in my mind right now. Maybe it's because i'm getting old but that's the way I feel, take it or leave it, both women and readers combined..

 

[5string]

You guys don't quite get it. You don't need the pvssy, you just want it. Lose that mindset, believe in it and you will be a better man.