DFC - Dateless Frustrated Chump

[es_mer8]

I've been accused of this and when I look back on it, I agree with it. Too many people here have confused AFC for "Everyone who is not a DJ." A lot of people are forgetting that AFCs really don't know how to be with a woman but they still get women. A lot of people use AFC for people who are mentally inable to pull down women. I am going to try to form a new acronym for these people:

DFC aka The Dateless Frustrated Chump

The DFC is the worst form a person can ever be. These people are far worse than AFCs because AFCs get women but can never seen to hold onto them or they are pu$$y whipped to the point where you'd think that the woman actually has the c0ck in the relationship.

DFCs are not able to get women...at all. Their routine consists of this:

- Wake up
- Eat cereal or fast food breakfast
- Go to work (or school)
- Go home
- Watch TV, Play video games, or watch DVDs
- Shower
- Wack off to porn
- Sleep

Then every night they cry or get depressed about how they are unable to get women or how they think their boobs are bigger than 95% of the women out there or how he believes that all women are out to reject him, etc.

Yet with every night this happens, the next day repeats itself over again.

DFCs cannot approach girls. They often check them out and look away as soon as the girl may think he is looking at her. Then after the girl walks by, they talk to their other DFC friends about how hot she is (AFCs wouldn't comment because they are too busy with their gfs to pay attention to other women) and form meaningless crushes. Some DFCs in extreme cases often stalk the women or try to find out where she is each day just to see her. They think that eventually, she will just come up to him, spread her legs, and take in his small c0ck because his fat conceals 2-3 inches of it.

If a girl talks to a DFC, his mind turns into "zombie mode" where he seems unable to talk correctly to her or talk to her at all. DFCs probably sport wood while attempting to talk because he feels good that a girl is talking to him. Even if she shows interest, he is too scared to approach. He thinks that she doesn't like him and is just being nice to him.

DFCs are often the third wheel with relationships. A guy and a girl are together. Then the DFC comes up to them and talks to them. He isn't intending to be a c0ckblock; he has no real understanding of relationships outside those in Final Fantasy. He hangs out with them too long. He doesn't get any hints because the guy is friends and the girl may just be friendly to him because of association (she is dating the man who is friends with the DFC)

DFCs are often depressed. Often times they go to parties, afraid to talk to girls, and at the end they are bawling because they cannot get women. He looks at women and has nothing but either hatred or sexual desire. They often eat their way out of problems and tries to compensate by being over the top with the few friends he has.

"There goes Bill screaming 'I am God' to the girls again..."

He chases women off by being over the top. Being crazy is one thing but a lot of DFCs, even myself at one time, would exhibit this bizarre behavior to women when they are around. One time I laughed in a comedic yet odd way in 10th grade. Girls laughed at it but that didn't make them more interesting. A friend of mine is 5'9 and 280. He acts really DFC to make the girls talk to him and then once they're gone, he whines about how he cannot get girls.

Now that we have a good idea of what a DFC is, I think this should be a new word adopted so AFCs don't have to be lumped in with the womanless, dateless, hopeless loser DFCs out there.

 

[Knicknack]

good point

 

[CulBoji]

**** off dude, nobody can be that dumb. And btw. try to make that friend of yours more DJ, it`s not his fault his such a coward is because of this ****ed up society that we live in.

 

[NMMWCR]

Wow.

Does that ever bring back some painful memories. I'm going to bookmark this page as a reminder of just how far I've really come.

So tell me this: Does a DFC have to go through an AFC phase before morphing into a DJ? I find that in my case, there isn't much middle ground. It's feast or famine. Either I've got a girl and a dozen more who want me, or I got nothing and no prospects. It's a sort of self fulfilling prophecy.

If you are swinging back and forth, how do you truncate the DFC end of the distribution? What is a successful hedging strategy?

 

[es_mer8]

**** off dude, nobody can be that dumb. And btw. try to make that friend of yours more DJ, it`s not his fault his such a coward is because of this ****ed up society that we live in.

What a moron...if you don't have constructive comments or advice, shut the hell up.

So tell me this: Does a DFC have to go through an AFC phase before morphing into a DJ?

IMO, I went from DFC to jerk to a PDJ (Preliminary DJ). I feel that my DJ skills are beginning to mold itself into something really good. Yes, I do think that there won't be middle ground, especially if you consult this website. However AFCs are still a vast improvement over DFCs. AFCs still get women and although they pay attention to way too many Julia Roberts movies, they get 10x more action than DFCs do.

If you are swinging back and forth, how do you truncate the DFC end of the distribution? What is a successful hedging strategy?

Its essentially the same strategies that the bible or even this tips forum already has supplied. Its about growing a pair and going out there. The way I see it is that the longer you are a DFC or a AFC, the harder it is to be a DJ. Every once in a while you just feel like playing games (I got Madden 2004 today and f*ck the ladies, this game is more important than them) or watching TV. Its fine just to take a day off here or two to be with yourself. However if this is your life and are too afraid to pursue anything more social, then its a problem.

The way I tried to get rid of my thoughts back in May and June when I came here is whenever I'd get a thought like:

"I'm going to go from school and just play video games all night to catch up on a backlog."

I'd then kick myself in the ass and 1 minute later it would be:

"I'm going to go from school to the weight room and then I'm going to call up my friends and see what they are doing. If not, then I will call up a couple girls and set up dates. Then if I have nothing else to do, then I may play video games, provided all of the above is not a possibility."

Its basically a series of mental reassurances and almost brainwashing in a way. Everytime I'd have these thoughts, I'd try my best to seemingly do the opposite.

"Damn, look at that ass. I bet she has a boyfriend; I mean a girl like that certainly must have someone."

10 minutes later, I walk way with a phone number or at least made a very positive impression on the girl.

I still get these thoughts once in a while. Its hard to undo 10 years of damage in just a few short months. I give myself another year or two before I get rid of those thoughts completely or at least 99% of the time.

I would imagine that you would go from DFC, WBAFC (way below AFC), BAFC (below AFC), AFC, RAFC (recovering AFC), then to DJ

IMO, here is my ranking from worst to best:

DFC
AFC
RAFC
Jerk
Recovering Jerk
Good Guy
DJ

Good Guy is the first stage of where you have true confidence and is self assured. DJing is just the full realization and optimization of the aformentioned. DJing is basically the best a man can go. If there is another step, someone please enlighten me about it.

 

[2N Turbo]

Sorry I already trademarked DFC. It stands for DONKEY FACED CHICK.

Chick on the left is a DFC.

http://home.comcast.net/~gtifd/Ashley_Jenna2.jpg

And no that is not my Supra, even though its the same color and year as mine.

 

[The Main Event]

Excellent post. Hits the nail right on the head, and hard.

Before somebody shoots it off to the Discussion Forum, I want to point out that it highlights a chronic set of behaviours that we too often fail to consider when we talk broadly about "AFCs". We're very good at beating supplication and corny behaviour out of newcomers, but inaction and social ineptitude often slip below our radars. Recognising and isolating these problems falls a long way short of curing them, but it's the first step in a long journey.

For my part, I think DFC is a valuable addition to the Don Juan lingo.


I am
The Main Event.

 

[Pimp-sicle]

AFC's get chicks?? LOL That's funny!!! I'll agree there are some AFC's that get girls, but I'll put my left pinkie on the fact that there are a lot more AFC's out there who go through that daily routine than you think.

Instead of DFC, why don't we call them CFC? COMPLETELY FRUSTRATED CHUMP



PIMP

 

[BGMan]

I am an R-DFC

Umm... not to be anal, but CFCs are chlorofluorocarbons (Freons). Already taken.

Yes, I think DFC is an excellent addition to the vocabulary. Mainly because, I believe that I was a DFC until I found this site, and am making the transition to DJ directly from there. From the description of AFC that has been given, I could see that it never described me in my pre-DJ days. This "DFC" term is a much more accurate term for my "clueless" years.

Ergo, I'd consider myself to be a borderline RDFC/DJ (Recovering Dateless Frustrated Chump).

BGMan

 

[es_mer8]

We're very good at beating supplication and corny behaviour out of newcomers, but inaction and social ineptitude often slip below our radars. Recognising and isolating these problems falls a long way short of curing them, but it's the first step in a long journey.

Yes. A lot of people here started off as DFCs from what they have said in their first post or when they recalled the first time visiting this site. I came in here a DFC. AFCs are chumps but they are chumps with women. Sure they treat him like sh1t and get d1ck on the side but he still has a woman. DFCs can't even go that far.

I'll put my left pinkie on the fact that there are a lot more AFC's out there who go through that daily routine than you think.

Then they aren't AFC. DFC is where you have no women hence the term, Dateless. The average man has a woman in his life. However they have absolutely no idea on how to make it last or how to even treat a relationship. DFCs do not get women. At all. The most they'll ever get from a woman is a smile. If he gets more and is in a relationship, he moves from DFC to AFC automatically.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

That was an interesting post but from the description of a DFC, it sounds as if his interests are in things other than women. He does not engage them and has a myriad of other priorities. If this is the case, why should we even care, HE doesn't.

In contrast an AFC is one who has an interest and has engaged women and has not succeeded because he repeats the same defeating actions. Not only does he repeat them, he does not see or acknowledge he is doing thing that will not help him succeed. These mistakes are made by most men on average making them frustrated and not recognizing the problem makes them a chump.

Now for guys who recognize what they are doing will not make them successful and are willing to learn the skills to become better equipped to handle women, they are giving the moniker of RAFC (recovering average frustrated chump).

With that, although it being an interesting concept, I don't think that it's necessary to add DFC to the Bible.

Alright, I'm done....

 

[southernteen]

**** off dude, nobody can be that dumb. And btw. try to make that friend of yours more DJ, it`s not his fault his such a coward is because of this ****ed up society that we live in.

You sure about that how about me? His post described me pretty perfectly. Execpt of course I have a big **** and am pretty thin

I keep waiting on that perfect opputunity to talk to the girl and miss all the others. Its a pitiful existance and i still catch myself waiting on that "perfect" moment sometimes.

 

[THA REALNESS]

agrred

i agree.

 

[es_mer8]

If this is the case, why should we even care, HE doesn't.

He does care about women. Read what I have written down:

"Then every night they cry or get depressed about how they are unable to get women or how they think their boobs are bigger than 95% of the women out there or how he believes that all women are out to reject him, etc."

Everything after that is how they react to women. I know a lot of these examples because to be honest, I did them all.

- In 10th grade there was this amazing girl with the bubbliest personality. A definite 10 if I ever saw one. I couldn't keep my eyes off of her. So what I'd do was since I was too big of a DFC to approach, I would sit near her in lunch or even at one time walk down the same hallways I knew she walked down. Just to see her bouncy ponytail, bright brown eyes with a million dollar smile, her tight shirt with nice jugs and a tight little ass that made it look even better with black stretch pants. A month later, after getting detention for being late because I used to follow her, I stopped doing so. However I probably dreamed about her every night for about 2-3 months.

- One time I had to use a girl's cell phone to get a ride. She was a 5 at best. She asked me if I knew how to use it. I stammered some unintelligable and incomprehensible words and wound up instead of flipping the top up, I took out her battery! So funny in retrospect but at the time my face was probably as red as a coca cola can.

- I used to be good friends with this guy. We were almost inseperable. However I was really sick for about two weeks. I came back and he told me he just started seeing this one girl. I felt compelled to join them and be friends. At first it didn't seem like either one of them minded. However after a few weeks, you could tell that they were getting pissed at me for following them around. My friend told me to not hang out with them when they are together. I was crushed. In hindsight, he was right and I shouldn't have even done that in the first place.

- I used to go to a lot parties, get drunk but still never talk to girls. I didn't cry but I know of quite a few DFCs that did cry.

- Every night I used to cry myself to sleep on how I wish I got women. I got tired of seeing my friends get laid and every night it was just me, my right hand, and my ding-a-ling and that was it. For a while it seemed like I would be this way for life. I did this ever since maybe 8th grade when I started to get really into girls but I was so much a DFC that I was too piss scared to do anything about it. I really need to thank this site a lot for what it has done to me. Especially Pook, after reading stuff like "Be a Man", it has started to put me on the right track.

In a way I was the perfect DFC. I wasn't too far gone as I lifted weights and played football. I at least participated in some masculine activities but it did nothing for me personally. However I swear, I felt like a woman trapped in a man's body.

So yes, this behavior does happen.

Whats worse is that there are thousands into millions out there just like me and a lot them are even more into the DFC lifestyle. I was one time getting a video game and seen two nerds humming the Super Mario Bros. theme and bragging to eachother how they smoked weed last weekend. I'm so glad that I never was _that_ far gone. I'm so glad that I never fell into the trap of Japanese hentai (animated porn) or anime (Japanese animation) These people are the worst of them all. At least I also had good personal hygiene which was more than I can say for a lot of DFCs worse off than I.

Edit:

try to make that friend of yours more DJ, it`s not his fault his such a coward is because of this ****ed up society that we live in.

I gave him a link to this site, DYD, and Askmen back in June. A week after I gave him the links, I asked him if he visited them. He said "No but check this out, I'm downloading some episodes of Rocko's Modern Life!" At that point I gave up on him. I tried. I haven't seen him in person since we graduated. I don't think he has left the house all summer to be honest.

 

[The Main Event]

I believe the original point was that an important distinction exists between guys with the intestinal fortitude to approach girls but not the skills to have real success, on the one hand, and guys who have neither the will to approach nor (as a necessary consequence of their inexperience) the required skills, on the other hand.

The first group's main problem is supplication and over-eagerness. The second group suffers primarily from chronic cowardice.

They're different problems with different remedies. And I don't think you'll find too many people disputing the fact that the latter situation is by far the worse scenario.


I am
The Main Event.

 

[OddTech]

es_mer8,

You bring back a lot of haunting memories.

I admit I was a DFC back in high school. I knew that I wasn't alone. When we have our school dances (Halloween, Christmas, Homecoming, etc), I can see all these single guys standing against the wall. I was one of them. I didn't date until I was 19 years old in college. I didn't have one single date in high school.

Back then in high school, there would be one or two girls that I got the hots for. I would be stalker-ish and ask my friends who worked in administration to give me a copy of the girls' class schedule. I would wait outside their class until they get off. I have been doing this for practically 4 years. Never did I have have the balls to ask the girls out.

I was depressed and sad. When I turned to my parents for advice, they told me to be patient and focus on my education. So I got into a very good college (some Institute of Technology), now what? Nothing happened.

Thanks for this this site. I think I have gone a long way since my high school and DFC days. I will not turn back. Peace.

 

[Eternal]

Originally posted by es_mer8
IMO, here is my ranking from worst to best:

DFC
AFC
RAFC
Jerk
Recovering Jerk
Good Guy
DJ

Here's my list:

DFC
AFC
RACF
Nice Guy
Jerk
Recovering Jerk
Beginer Don Juan
Don
Seductionist